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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Survivor #14: Wild Honey on: January 01, 2014, 11:19:45 AM
Mama Says! Yet another closing track that should have been switched with something else. I wish Cool Cool Water was finished instead.
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 01, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
I read Sweet Mountain as well (which is hard to believe he does the bass vocal at the end but apparently he does)

How's that hard to believe? Sounds just like 'im. It do.

I can see how it'd be him but it doesn't sound like him much. He's doing a lower register voice deliberately though so I understand that. Although I don't know if "came on de mountain" part, which is sung a little louder than the bass vocal is David Sandler or not. That doesn't sound like Brian to me.
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 31, 2013, 01:51:30 PM
Ok, here are a few random questions about different subject matters. Just some stuff I figured I'll ask now before I forget.

1. Is that Brian singing backing vocals on American Spring's version of "Thinkin' "Bout You Baby"?

Sounds like 100% Brian to me on that part, going "Thinkin' bout my my baby baby" towards the end. I've been listening to this album frequently lately and never realized how Brian is sporadically heard on several songs vocally on the album. Mainly that one, possibly Tennessee Waltz, I read Sweet Mountain as well (which is hard to believe he does the bass vocal at the end but apparently he does), and I hear a bit of him on "Everybody" doing subtle highs on the background vocal layer. I can't remember if there's anything else I've heard him in, but it's nice to hear his voice if you listen closely on some of the tracks.
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Best Album to Have Autographed on: December 25, 2013, 09:40:44 PM
Sunflower and Wild Honey, as the whole band (including Bruce) is featured on the cover and the back cover respectively.
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 25, 2013, 08:44:42 PM
Just read this and got me wondering a few things:

"Despite the "unspoken rivalry" between The Beatles and the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson and Paul McCartney were good friends during this time and remain so today. As a result of this friendship, McCartney made a guest appearance on Smiley Smile. He can be heard eating a carrot during "Vegetables." This led to an amusing story years later, as a Los Angeles radio station (Breakfast With The Beatles on 97.1 KLSX-FM) was giving away a prize to the first caller who could correctly answer the question, "What Beach Boys' song does Paul McCartney appear on?" Dozens called in with wrong answers, until finally McCartney himself (who, at the time, was in Los Angeles recording the 'Chaos and Creation in the Backyard' album) called in and won the prize."

It's on Wikipedia, which is usually a sketchy source. Is any of this accurate? Also, is there clear cut evidence that Mccartney actually recorded with the Beach Boys in the 60s? I know it's been reported that Brian met Paul in 1967, but I was always skeptical about the word that he crunched vegetables on the song.

Also I am skeptical about Brian and Paul being that good of friends until I guess much much later. In an 1968 interview, Brian says that the meeting didn't really go too well, that he found there was no chemistry at all, and they didn't jive well when they met. Or something along those lines. That struck me as really interesting when I first heard that.
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson : Morning Christmas... on: December 25, 2013, 12:05:33 PM
That's be a good thread - Songs For Playing Around The Fire On A Wintery Evening.

Morning Christmas and Goin' South get my vote. Cabin Essence too. Almost anything from Friends.

I think Smiley Smile is a great winter record... A little too dark and creepy for Christmas though.
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson : Morning Christmas... on: December 24, 2013, 10:00:19 PM
Merry Christmas again everyone. Listening to this song right now, wondering when exactly it was recorded. Also did notice the ending piano coda of "Common" is indeed the exact same ending as "Morning Christmas". Never even noticed that.
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Specific Beach Boys Musical Moment That Is Kicking Your Ass Right Now on: December 23, 2013, 11:43:36 AM
Morning Christmas is seriously one of the best Dennis tracks.. Something so sublime and special about that track. It's a shame that it's so underrated.

Some random musical moments that I really get a kick out of:
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The "party" bridge part of Wonderful on Smiley that sounds like a bunch of people stoned and laughing

The very creepy yet relaxing sounding Baldwin organ on Fall Breaks

ending tag to Funky Pretty

Mt Vernon & Fairway piano/synth theme (I really wish there was a longer version of this without the narration than what is on the GV boxed set)

The synth bass on just about all of Love You, but to make an example, Let Us Go On This Way... I turn it up loud and crank up the bass. Must sound amazing on a subwoofer.

Bruce's tender lead vocals on At My Window. "And the faster I ran/I Ran out of breath and I fell to the ground". That part gets stuck in my head a lot. By far the best thing he did in the band.

The intro to Salt Lake City on the stereo remix (which was horribly cut off on the album version). That bass part that sounds like 2 bass players are harmonizing in unison is absolutely amazing.

Take 1 and 2 of Hang On To Your Ego backing track. The horns are more prominent in the verses. I prefer this version lately.

The organ on Do It Again. Also on the SOT, there is one version where you can only hear Mike's lead vocal and Brian's "Bom bom bom bom bom bom!" high falsetto vocal and at the very end Brian does a little variation ending with a really high "wooo!" that reminds me of what Paul Mccartney does on songs like "Oh! Darling" or something. Is is beautiful and worth checking out! Only lasts for like 2 seconds.


Brian's lead vocal on Here Comes The Night is perfect. Not sure what it is, it is just a perfect lead vocal.
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: December 22, 2013, 10:20:40 AM
If you take "Everyone's In Love With You" at face value, it is not so bad. I wish that I could go back in time before I heard that it was about the Maharishi. It takes on a different flavor when you know the particulars.

I agree. When I first heard the song, and for a year or so after that, I liked it - including the lyrics - because I thought it was about an attractive girl who everybody fell in love with, but she never found love herself. Then, when Mike began introducing the song in concert, well, that changed everything.

There a number of well thought out, nicely arranged, good songs on 15 Big Ones. I always thought "It's OK" and "Palisades Park" could stand with a lot of Brian's stuff from his heyday. Even "That Same Song"; I think it's a well-written song, with an nice intro, verse, chorus, and a little tag. But, Brian can't bring it to fruition because of his vocal. Same with "Back Home"; it's a well-done song/track. Some like Brian's vocal, others might wince, but the song does get going.

There's Mike's "a bow, bow, bow" on "Chapel Of Love". The "Tallahassee Lassie" segment leaves you wanting for more. For such a short song, "TM Song" has a lot going on there; I like the melody on the "What time is it, how long has it been..." part. There's something wrong with "Blueberry Hill", but parts of it are cool.

Brian was still very creative in 1976. Think of all the stuff, really neat stuff that he did that year, including the Love You album. I'd still like to know more about what happened to him in 1978....and....Landy must've really whacked him out in 1983 because, creatively, he's never been the same.

Your last remark puzzles me, SJS, although I can empathise partly with the point you make. Well, let me challenge you: what about the best of the Paley sessions? About 'Melt Away', and the 'surf ballad segment' in 'Rio Grande' (which I am very partial to)? About 'TWGMTR' (the single, as classic as BW gets)?

In the 1960's and much of the 1970's, Brian Wilson was composing and arranging music that, frankly, could only come from the mind of Brian Wilson. From "I Went To Sleep" to"This Whole World" to "My Solution" to "A Day In The Life Of A Tree" to "Mt. Vernon And Fairway" to "Child Of Winter" to "We Gotta Groove" to "Johnny Carson" to "Solar System" to "Mike Come Back To L.A.", these songs were "so Brian". They were so damn creative, original, quirky, spontaneous, and honest.

But, again, something happened when Brian was hospitalized in 1978, and, again, when Landy took him away in 1983. When Brian resurfaced he was different; you could see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice. Listen to his first solo song, "Let's Go To heaven In My Car". It's so generic, uninteresting, almost a "Brian Wilson by numbers" production. And, unfortunately, in my opinion, that trend continued. You mentioned "Melt Away", which is a perfect example of what I am referring to. I find the song to be incredibly overrated, nevermind the fact that Brian shouts the entire lead vocal, and, I think it was ripped off from Dennis Wilson's "Moonshine" and "Farewell My Friend".

All of those qualities that I listed above in referring to Brian's 1960's and 70's work seemed to have disappeared. I don't hear creative arrangements, humor, brilliance, quirkiness, and originality. I hear recycled riffs and themes. I think that Brian's diminished vocal performance post-1983 is not given enough weight in explaining why his later work does not reach the heights of his earlier work. But, I think the overwhelming reason - in my opinion and I know many others disagree - is the lack of creativity. It seems dulled, manufactured, and recycled. We could get into several reasons why that was/is - trying to get a hit record, trying to make Brian appear "normal", Brian's lost his talent, Brian not actually writing or arranging the material (I am very skeptical about Brian's contributions to certain songs including "TWGMTR"), etc. Do fans listen to Brian's solo records NEARLY as much as Beach Boys' albums? Are you fulfilled by Brian's solo work? Which Brian solo tracks blow your mind? Are there a lot of them? Does that explain my position any better? Sorry for the negativity....Merry Christmas, huh... Cheesy

I know what you're saying. I think he lost a ton of the magic and creativity in the 80s that he had left in the late 70s. I am a HUGE fan of Brian Wilson '88 too.. I actually think it is quite an awesome record (Melt Away, Let It Shine, Rio Grande, Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long are all amazing tunes), but still I feel only about half or so of the record has that BW "magic" to it, and like you said, a lot of it is recycled and mostly not really stuff that is idiosyncratic that he's been doing in the 70s with Love You and whatnot. That was a definite "Too many cooks" situation and the production suffered and sounds sterile compared to what he could do before.

Andy Paley was good for him, but that album is saturated with collaborators (and Landy trying to intervene, though he did come up with good lyrics here and there). The lack of the other Beach Boys on the tracks might be part of the reason, since "In My Car" I think is quite awesome and is close to having that "magic" except the production is still not up to par compared to past glories.

(Then again who else who had fame in the 60s survived the 80s? Everyone sucked when the 80s came so it's a surprise the BBs and BW actually did do some good stuff.. Still I'm just observing and thinking out loud)

It's sad that Brian really hasn't done any of his own productions since '76/'77... I know that Brian can still be in control and I've read stories how Brian can still be a producer and do things his way. He still knows how to create magic in the studio, but for some reason something always holds him back these days. I wish someone would just put him in the studio, let him do his thing and just create stuff on his own. Obviously collaborators don't hurt, he's been using them for decades, even in his prime, but production-wise, I'd love to see another "Love You" come out. Or an album that he is completely in control and does things his way, with no input from anyone else. Maybe that's how he does things these days? I doubt it though.
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: December 21, 2013, 12:54:21 PM
I said this in the album review thread but I've come to enjoy 15 Big Ones a lot more now that I listen to the album for its sonic textures and arrangements and not necessarily as a collection of songs. If I did that, then I definitely would be disappointed by 2/3 of the album, and I was for the longest time since that's what I was doing. Now, however, I notice the really cool blending of synth and guitar tones on the main riff of "Talk to Me" or the sheer power of entirety of "Just Once in My Life" and so on. Actually, I think that album is really interesting for how Brian combines synthesizers and guitars in his arrangements throughout. That and "Pallisades Parks" really cooks, I love that song!

I totally agree and that's how I mainly listen to the album.. There are indeed some interesting blending of synths with regular instruments and especially for 1976, it is really cool to hear. Not a lot of people were doing that yet at that time.

I think a few songs are just awesome from start to finish. Just Once In My Life, Talk To Me, Chapel of Love, Palisades Park, It's OK, Had To Phone Ya.. at least half of the album is really good imo.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: December 21, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
I have a feeling a lot of us might be surprised if we heard some more of the backing tracks from 15 Big Ones. One reason why I really enjoy that album is the some of the arrangements are pretty damn unique. They sound like insipid watered down dated 70s productions to some people at first, but there is something kind of complex about some of the arrangements or just something different Brian added to the mixes that made things interesting. For example, like someone mentioned before, besides the synths in general which I love, the "strings" synth pads in Chapel Of Love do have a slight delay to it that adds a lot of character. Also the saxes sound amazing (the Tallahassee Lasse portion for example).

It's just a shame the song sequence could have been better. I really think that's what killed the album. Too many mediocre selections I guess, looking at it objectively. Some of the outtakes are way better than some tracks  that made the album (Mony Mony, Michael Row The Boat Ashore and Sea Cruise are all awesome covers).
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile sessions on: December 21, 2013, 10:38:17 AM
Something related.. They finally got the stereo "H&V" right on the stereo remaster. The baldwin organ is there and it doesn't sound like bunches of reverb were added to it for no reason. Only thing is, it seems no one can get the original edits right. Mike is cut off on the original 45 version "by the heroes a..." he barely says "and" before being cut off on the original, but the remixes always edit him in properly. I know it's a proper edit and sounds technically better, but I love the charm of the original where Mike is cut off abruptly. Doesn't matter at all, I love the remix but something that I've noticed.

Also "With Me Tonight" sounds awful. That's the only stereo remix that sounds bad. Gettin Hungry isn't edited quite right like the original either. Anyone know why "With Me Tonight" sounds so bad on that 2012 remaster? Brian sounds like he has marbles in his mouth on the stereo remix. Could it be some vocal effect they added? It's terrible and I'm not sure what happened there. It doesn't even sound like the same takes were used..
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: December 20, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
I was thinking the same thing listening to it last night or the other night. I've been really into BB backing tracks and that one is stunning. It is so much more complex than 99% of 15 Big Ones that it is pretty baffling of the quality of that one, especially by 1976 standards. I suppose some of the wrecking crew played on it right? Could be part of the reason why it's so good, but still.. it is credited as being produced, arranged and even conducted by Brian. Very impressive for the time.
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Brian bring his falsetto back in mid-70s? on: December 20, 2013, 07:27:45 PM
There are nice moments on Winter Symphony.. At least the first few lines remind me of that "smooth" sound of Matchpoint Of Our Love. It's not perfect, but similar.
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Brian bring his falsetto back in mid-70s? on: December 20, 2013, 01:41:46 PM
Other examples of the similar good quality Brian vocal leads I've heard are this alternate mix "It's Like Heaven" where Brian sings the bridge/middle 8 part at the end (not sure where it came from but I have it on mp3) and he sounds similar to on MIU.

Um... how to put this... that's not Brian: it's Rocky Pamplin.

Wow I didn't know that.. Strange. Sounds just like Brian on that part. Makes sense as Rocky was a Spring member at the time I guess. Glad you corrected me.
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Brian bring his falsetto back in mid-70s? on: December 20, 2013, 01:36:03 PM
This subject has come up so often it's unbelievable.  The very first time I heard "Getcha Back" in '85, I knew it was Brian. There was no doubt in my mind that it was him then and now. The one that always gets me is not the Love You or Getcha Back Brian falsettos, but the one song; "Matchpoint Of Our Love" from '78. I've never read or heard how he sang so clear on that - it sounds like his late 60's/early 70's voice. From another era. I've read that his voice was processed, then I read that it wasn't. And no, Autotune wasn't around back then, but some recording 'gimmicks' were. Still a mystery with no definitive answer after all these years.

As absurd a thought as this is: there isn't any possible way that the "Matchpoint" vocal was actually recorded several years earlier, and then flown on top of a M.I.U.-era backing track, is there? Obviously the backing track is very late 70s sounding though. While I think this idea is highly unlikely, I too am trying to figure out how Brian's vocal chords hopped into a time machine in 1978.

Other than thinking this is due to his short-lived vocal "recovery", there seems to be no answer. The only possible thought that makes any sense to me is that his late 70s "gruff" voice of the era was, at times, a put-on, and something psychological that he was able to control sometimes.

Are there perhaps any late 70s live recordings of other songs that BW sang around this time, where his vocals even come within the ballpark of approximating the tone/delivery that he nailed on "Matchpoint"?

I have been mystified and obsessed with Brian's vocal on "Matchpoint" since the day I heard it - the day the album was released. You have to realize how a fan would be caught off guard - and elated - after coming off of 15 Big Ones and Love You. The bigger mystery is not how Brian pulled it off at M.I.U., but WHY DIDN'T HE CONTINUE IT?

I think Brian came close to the "Matchpoint" vocal on "Winter Symphony" and "Wontcha Come Out Tonight". Hell, I even love(d) the falsetto on "She's Got Rhythm". But, no, he rarely matched the clarity and relaxed vocal of "Matchpoint", though I do think his live vocals in 1980 and 1981 are of higher quality than some fans think.


I agree that other songs on MIU sound damn good vocally for the time.. Winter Symphony, Wontcha Come Out Tonight, and Matchpoint all being recorded around the same time period.

Other examples of the similar good quality Brian vocal leads I've heard are this alternate mix "It's Like Heaven" where Brian sings the bridge/middle 8 part at the end (not sure where it came from but I have it on mp3) and he sounds similar to on MIU. Also the new "California Feelin'" mix on Made In California that has that Brian intro "...like most days" was a HUGE revelation. He sounded just like his '74 self on the demo version! That really confused me at first.. I wasn't sure if he did another version that they tagged on to the intro of the '78 Beach Boys version, until I read later that that was actually from 1978 too, I suppose the brief Miami sessions Brian did.

Also "You've Lost That Lovin Feeling" cover is amazing! His vocal on there gets to late 60's/early 70's quality easily on that track. The falsettos are amazingly good. Aside from Matchpoint, that one is also a big shocker for me how amazing his falsettos are on that.
117  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 19, 2013, 09:33:49 AM
Damn, thank you. Would never guess that. Sounds like female vocals to me!
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Smiley Smile sessions on: December 19, 2013, 09:33:04 AM
So I've noticed going through some Smile bootlegs that I haven't heard in awhile that Smiley Smile sessions tend to pop up as Smile sessions. They are hidden gems to me because I love hearing more insight into the Smiley sessions especially as the Unsurpassed Masters Smiley set is unfortunately the shortest set in the whole collection of the SOT sets. Only one disc and basically very short, which is unfortunate as its one of my top 3 favorite albums from them and possibly all time actually.

For example, the Unsurpassed Masters Smile sessions has some Heroes and Villains vocal tracking sessions obviously from the 45 version of the tune, which technically is a Smiley session. The backing track is Smile vintage, but the lead vocals and possibly backing vocals are from Smiley sessions aren't they? Then, the Archeology set has some Smiley sessions that are completely mislabeled - some With Me Tonight intro takes (including master take of the intro that is on the SOT CD) and a random stereo version of 'Fall Breaks And Back To Winter' are labeled as a "H&V" session and a "Bicycle Rider" session respectively, which is incorrect. The Fall Breaks version actually has a brief 2 or 3 seconds of Brian talking in the beginning, which I've never heard anywhere else.

Once in awhile I'll come across something else from Smiley, the Smile Sessions box was awesome, as there are some things on there never heard before. "Children Were Raised" harpsichord track is beautiful, boys and girls backing vocals in better quality, the earliest "Cool Cool Water" version probably ever recorded tracked just slightly before Smiley started and some other stuff. Anyways my point is, is there any other studio outtakes from the technically Smiley sessions (post-Smile being scrapped era) tucked away somewhere that you may have heard or know about?
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 19, 2013, 08:38:54 AM
Another thing that I just remembered.. and info is kinda hard to find for it, but who is singing lead on that 70s California Music version of "Jamaica Farewell"? Sounds like Toni Tennelle
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys On Simpsons on: December 17, 2013, 03:31:50 PM
That's pretty cool

All Summer Long and Good Vibe have also been heard on The Simpsons

All Summer Long was my favorite use of a BB song on the Simpsons.. I don't remember Good Vibes though, anyone know what episode that was? I know "ASL" was on the ending of the season finale episode of season 7, way back in 1996.. I loved the use of it there, since the episode was about a summer beach house.
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 17, 2013, 12:32:17 PM
This one? Ed Sullivan, 10/13/68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJ7005VNms

Yup that's it. Thanks a lot! Always wondered what/when that was from..
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 17, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
Here's a random question. Was rewatching American Band the other week after many years and I always loved that Good Vibrations clip the band did on some TV show. The background is really trippy lookin.. looks like an early green screen type of thing with the band moving around and doing all sorts of things pre-recorded while the band performs. Does anyone know where and what date this comes from? It's one of my favorite versions of GV and I think is a legendary video clip for it.
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson is insanely overrated on: December 12, 2013, 05:33:46 PM
I have to agree with Gabo for the most part, but I do like some of Dennis's songs ("Be with Me," "Celebrate the News," "Never Learn Not to Love," "Slip On Through," "WIBNTLA," "My Love Lives On.") Most of his work just isn't that impressive to me and is sort-of boring.

Like Gabo said, most of the lyrics are really cliched and the melodies aren't too great, either. Also, his music has never really caught my attention. Most of it seems bland, but I appreciate his attempts to experiment, like "Steamboat."
To me, Dennis would be like if Brian had grown up on 70's rock.

I've listened to POB once or twice, hoping it would live up to everything I've heard. It kinda let me down. It seemed like an average seventies release spurred on by the romanticism of Dennis's story. It's his swan song. It seems like, from reading people's response, that they mostly love Dennis's music from learning about his past, which isn't really a fair way to judge music. Although, I'll admit, it happens all the time to Brian as well.

I once read/heard a description of "Only with You" that I dig: "It's not as good as it thinks it is."


I think the hype of POB can be harmful for someone listening to it expecting something grandiose and brilliant. When I first heard it I couldn't really get into it much either. I always loved his stuff, especially the piano ballads in the Beach Boys but POB came across as more straight forward 70's rock to me that was kind of boring at times and I didn't feel it had any strong melodies. Compared to Brian's music, even at the time, it really doesn't but it has a lot of depth to it. There's a lot of creative things going on in it. It's very unusual too and not really like any other album in 1977. Some weird arrangements on that album and song structures that got in my skin over time. "Friday Night" and "Dreamer" are 2 pretty strange and unique arrangements for example.
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian was brilliant at choosing the running order on Beach Boys albums on: December 12, 2013, 03:41:08 PM
It's a great idea about the zap back to reality and that the invigoration caused by a calm meditative state but .... I dunno ... I think you give them too much credit here.

I say to you, "Wind Chimes" (Smiley Smile version).

There's no way Wind Chimes going into Gettin' Hungry wasn't intentional. One of the most hilarious bits of sequencing I've seen. You have to turn up your stereo ALL the way to hear the Wind Chimes tag, then Gettin Hungry bursts out with that really loud organ..  Brilliant.. They kinda do that "back to reality" dose with Wind Chimes itself with that weird organ burst that comes out of nowhere in such a tranquil, low volume sounding song before it ends.

I would say "TM" at the end of Friends has to be a joke. I can't see how it would be an accident to put a song like that at the end. Seems like Brian loved to f_uck with his audience with some of these track inclusions. Everyone is still perplexed with these to this day, especially that one, "Big Daddy" on Today and "I'm Bugged By My Old Man" on Summer Days, which sounds like 'Smiley Smile' already..

I think you and others are confusing Brian's sometimes odd sense of humor for brilliance or genius.    The fact that Brian chose for things to be a certain way does not make that the right choice.


I personally only love the type of things on Smiley Smile and not really the other stuff I mentioned. I don't think Big Daddy or putting "TM" at the end of Friends is brilliant, but it is morbidly fascinating. I guess I sort of understand the absurdity in his humor at times. That said I don't agree that they were always the right choices. Maybe they're more funny in retrospect because of how ridiculous the choices are, especially on 'Today', which almost ruins the whole ending for the album.
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian was brilliant at choosing the running order on Beach Boys albums on: December 12, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
It's a great idea about the zap back to reality and that the invigoration caused by a calm meditative state but .... I dunno ... I think you give them too much credit here.

I say to you, "Wind Chimes" (Smiley Smile version).

There's no way Wind Chimes going into Gettin' Hungry wasn't intentional. One of the most hilarious bits of sequencing I've seen. You have to turn up your stereo ALL the way to hear the Wind Chimes tag, then Gettin Hungry bursts out with that really loud organ..  Brilliant.. They kinda do that "back to reality" dose with Wind Chimes itself with that weird organ burst that comes out of nowhere in such a tranquil, low volume sounding song before it ends.

I would say "TM" at the end of Friends has to be a joke. I can't see how it would be an accident to put a song like that at the end. Seems like Brian loved to f_uck with his audience with some of these track inclusions. Everyone is still perplexed with these to this day, especially that one, "Big Daddy" on Today and "I'm Bugged By My Old Man" on Summer Days, which sounds like 'Smiley Smile' already..
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