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851  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike, Bruce and Dave @ Jones Beach - July 5th on: July 09, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
Having been a Pre-K teacher during that Kokomo era, what I can speak to are the demographics of those kids, who are the same ages as my own kids. No one was more shocked that The Beach Boys were on a sitcom than I.  My kids were calling from another room that "Uncle Jesse had The Beach Boys on!"  

It would be foolish to suggest that "some new fans" were won.  That does no one justice and just check out the global syndication and viewership.  I would bet that John Stamos has a facial recognition factor that outguns many political leaders.  Shows like Seinfeld, Cosby, and Full House make these "reruns" prime viewing for young people.  

What I do know is that there are millions of new fans, who are and have been watching these shows in many countries and languages and The Beach Boys became stars all over again for new generations.  That is Stamos.  And he is a star, like it or not.  

But, I got the sheet music (easy version) and the kids would learn to skip to it.  And I got PAID for it. It is a great country.  Uncle Jesse!  And in 2014, those fans who were four in the late 80's and some have kids of their own. Guess what they watch? Full House, complete with the mullet hairdos and The Beach Boys.  And, yes, Stamos is appropriate for these shows.  He had the one lead (Forever) that he helped popularize and resurrect for two new generations of fans.

Stamos introduced Dennis Wilson to this generation.  Sorry.  I respectfully disagree.   Wink

Thank you for that story and your points. It would be interesting to see just how many fans "discovered" the Beach Boys (and Dennis Wilson) through John Stamos' performance of "Forever" on Full House. I think it would be a lot more than people give him/it credit for, especially on this board. Obviously the credit goes to Dennis Wilson and Stephen Kalinich in addition to John Stamos, but I would venture a guess that Stamos' performance/version of "Forever" is more popular and more well-known than any song that Brian Wilson has written, produced, or performed in the last 37 years.

But his version of "Forever" was on the SIP album, which failed to enter the TOP 200 chart. It was also released as a single, where it may have only briefly showed up in the AC charts.

Many were *exposed* to Stamos' renditions on TV, some even enjoyed them. But nobody sought out and purchased his rendition of it, which was released with his and the BBs names. If it had been even a decent-sized pop culture phenomenon, the album would have at least cracked the TOP 200.

Back with the Brady Bunch comparisons.  Davy Jones famously guested on the Brady Bunch and sang "Girl" which was his then-current single. Did it chart? No. Did it sell any significant amount? No, not really.  The Brady's weren't that big during the show's first run and lasted 5 seasons.  In terms of  "quality television" (read:critically acclaimed), BB wasn't even in the same stratosphere as All In the Family or Mary Tyler Moore or MASH.

But during its syndication run, it became even more popular than it was during its run spawning a cottage industry of everything Brady including several made-for-TV films and a dramatized update of the show featuring the original cast and characters, two feature films, memoirs from various cast members and even a stage show.  To the Brady cult, one of  the most popular pieces of minutiae is the Davy Jones appearance.  Davy recreated his guest role in the stage show and performed "Girl" in the feature movie which by that time (the mid-90's)  meant that despite not having been a hit song,  "Girl" was now a popular enough number that Davy put it in his own solo shows and Monkees shows until  his death.  And it was always well-received by his audiences.

Full House shared many similarities with the Brady's. Both shows were pariahs to discerning TV viewers (a fact not lost on Miller-Boyett - they told the show's writers "OK, you'd rather  write for  Seinfeld or Cheers?  OK, take that sensibility and apply it to our show"). Both were popular among families and both featured beloved 60's pop stars in famous guest appearances.  full House is to Gen Y and younger what the Brady's were to Gen X, a fondly remembered childhood favorite.  Since it went off network TV in 1995, it has been a huge staple in reruns. Still. To this day.  The Olsen sisters owe their financial empire to Full House fans. Bob Saget tours constantly and his audience is the Full House audience who aren't insulted by the fact that their favorite TV dad hated telling corny sitcom jokes to their younger selves.  John Stamos has never been out of work for the last 20 years whether it be Broadway, made-for -TV films, ER, Glee. Hell, Stamos reunited with Saget and Dave Coulier for a yogurt commercial that aired during the Super Bowl. The freakin' Super Bowl!  And that fan base knows the Beach Boys. They may not be Brianistas. May not even care about SMiLE, but they do know who they are and John Stamos singing that Dennis Wilson song from side 2 of Sunflower is their equivalent of Davy Jones singing "Girl" to Marcia Brady*.  As cring-inducing as the Stamos-Love bromance can be to some of us, I can't really find it in my heart to want to wish  someone's childhood memory away simply because that image doesn't fit my own personal image of what the Beach Boys are and should be.
852  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike, Bruce and Dave @ Jones Beach - July 5th on: July 09, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
Bob Saget's new book is funny in how much he hated making the show. There is a story in book how he, Stamos, and coulier did reddi-whip from the actual cans used as props on one episode.

Robert Reed hated doing the Brady Bunch too.
853  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: O.k. 'splain this to me: What keeps Al from playing with Mike whenever he wants? on: July 03, 2014, 12:47:11 PM
Hell, Elton John has played private gigs. Huge names do it.

indeed.

http://weird-news.yoexpert.com/celebrity-mash-up-12071/would-you-like-paul-mccartney-playing-music-at-you-3311.html

Playing casinos and Vegas doesn't have the same stigma it once did 25 + years ago. Back then, your career was dead if you played Vegas. Nowadays, your career is over if you don't.
854  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: July 02, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
All very good points, but it's always been something of a disappointment Brian didn't stay there playing bass and singing those high parts live... Yeah, things would have been different if he had and we can't have it both ways, BUT it was a schism that was there pretty much forever more and a band where schisms were acceptable....

When the music that resulted from the original setup is that good, who cares about schisms? No one is going to care about schisms in the future when they listen to the Beach Boys.
855  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: July 01, 2014, 12:06:52 PM
Perhaps but there were people who bought tickets because of the prospect of Al, Mike, Bruce & Dave being on stage together for a one night only show.  That is as close to the C50 lineup as you are going to get without it actually being the C50 lineup.  So you need to factor in the number of fans who purchased tickets because of the prospect of seeing 4/5 Beach Boys onstage together which likely isn't as small as you would think. 
Yep, exactly. I'm still planning to attend the show and I'm not hopping mad or anything, but the "Al & David joining up for one night only" pitch -- a pitch still on the Jones Beach site as we speak -- was very much the reasoning that got me off the fence and convinced me to purchase a ticket.



This is definitely an issue as well. I know there are always shades of grey. The "four on stage" factor could be a strong tipping point but not the only factor, and then when that is taken away, it's kind of iffy about whether it's still worth it.
Yep, right on. (It's also a co-billed show with two other groups I honestly don't particularly care about, so much as I'd like to see any Beach Boys-related show, in my mind it had that working against it too.)

This is not to start anti-Mike rhetoric, but I still think an interesting future discussion that might be worth having is how this "I may not or would not have bought tickets if it was just a regular show" speaks to the value/popularity/apathy towards the standard "touring Beach Boys" lineup and what the "brand" has become over the years.
I love the music and always will, but the brand is an absolute mess.   LOL



That last sentence is the first sensible comment spoken about Jones Beach-gate.
856  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2014 merchandise on: June 28, 2014, 02:40:46 PM
The umbrella shirt is just plain weird.. the vintage-inspired blue one is neat though.

Aye, the In Concert shirt shows that this board is monitored and our tastes noted!  :D

If that's the case could they put the Indian and horse on the back of the T-shirt. Add a few more color options and I'll buy 2 or 3.

You mean "Appeal to the Great Spirits"?
857  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sometimes I hate Rolling Stone on: June 28, 2014, 02:52:53 AM
Rolling Stone has always been garbage.

No. Just no.
858  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: June 26, 2014, 05:58:05 PM

Most Brian fans here bend over backward to talk about how they respect Mike's role in the band (if not his business decisions.) Mike fans, on the other hand, go out of their way to suggest that Brian is being manipulated, that other people write his songs, that he's a shell who should be staying at home, etc. Sure, that's not objectively "anti-Brian," but it basically posits that (as SJS posted earlier), anything done by BW after 1977 doesn't "count," and if you can't hear how obviously bad it is, you're some sort of brainwashed sheep.

That sure doesn't feel like balance to me.

Sorry but this is again completely wide of the mark.



No, it isn't.
859  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: June 26, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
Just wondering where was all of this openness and tolerance for guesses and speculations and opinions when topics like, oh, the lyric credits for "Wouldn't It Be Nice" were being discussed?

I'm also waiting to see all of this welcoming spirit for random speculations and guesses when the next person posts any topic on this board with the words "Smile" and "Mike" in the subject line.

 LOL

Oh, wait...those involve settled "facts" that can't be discussed or speculated on. What was I thinking?  Wink

Have you read the board in the last half-decade or so? I would say that the vast majority of posters here are decidedly pro-Mike, and a sizable chunk of them are actively anti-Brian. The few out-and-out Brianistas have generally been shouted off this forum or insulted so grievously they choose not to post.

 Few of them have also been outright banned.
860  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: June 25, 2014, 10:59:07 AM
Finally , this fiction about "the people around Brian" , the "wifeandmanagers" or as one poster recently put it " Brian brings along a steamboat full of people" ( I am paraphrasing ) ..so I ask again....who are they ? What are their names ? I would like to meet them .  What do they do for Brian ? And Melinda Wilson doesn't count , she is his wife . Jean Sievers doesn't count , she is his manager/publicist.  So someone please inform me who they are . Names please.

Have a great day , Ray

We're not supposed to know. That's the way it works. That's the way they want it. That's their goal. It's called being Brian Wilson. But, since you asked, I would start with Melinda, his manager/publicist, his attorneys, his accountants, his doctors, his collaborators, maybe bandmates, close friends. I apologize for not knowing their names.

And, why doesn't Melinda count just because she's his wife? She's a lot more than that. It's very naive to think otherwise. I'm sure you know, Ray, that a conservator was appointed before Brian married Melinda.

You have cojones. I'll give you that!
861  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: June 25, 2014, 07:55:04 AM
If Brian Wilson sent Mike Love an e-mail that said no more shows, then the end of the tour is because of Brian Wilson and no one else.
   

Simple answer to that: if Brian's people don't deny sending the email, then it happened. Hopefully they won't wait six weeks.


This wouldn't necessarily be a smoking gun. Maybe Brian's people would rather not get into this or anyone else's pissing match, which may be why they would not be responding.
862  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Explaining the world of Mike and Alan (circa 2001) on: June 21, 2014, 07:37:41 AM
Quote
Q: Can you explain your current beef with Mike?

A: I just don`t see why one guy should own the name when this other guy was there as long as he was - in fact, before he was - building the name with my hard work, sweat and tears.

So Al was harmonising in the group before Michael joined the party?
Weird quote, right? As far as we know that ain't right on any account.

He might've sung a song with Brian in the shower in the locker room at Hawthorne High School after football practice. Maybe that's what he was referring to. I'm totally serious. I noticed in some of Al's interviews during the C50 Reunion that he was, um, (over?)emphasizing his role as a founding member of the group, like his brief, casual meetings with Brian led to the formation of The Beach Boys.

Well, Al was the one who approached Brian to form a group back at college.  it was Brian's idea to bring in his family after not being able to keep a consistent lineup that was any good, so yes, in a sense, Al was there in the group t,hat would become the Beach Boys before Mike.
863  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I think I've found the Beach Boys most cringeworthy TV appearance. on: June 05, 2014, 07:37:21 AM
I hate to get off-topic but I disagree with you about Cheers.  I'm 21 and I've watched the first few seasons on Netflix, it still holds up incredibly well, especially because and not in spite of the great cast.

Cheers is one of the few things from the 80's that STILL holds up. And a large part of that was because of the cast.
864  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys ICON [2CD] - 6/3/14 on: June 03, 2014, 11:43:44 AM
Capitol is now part of the Universal Music Group and the ICON series is UMG's "budget" series of greatest hits discs.

865  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pictures from \ on: June 01, 2014, 10:43:21 AM
If you're being really picky, the pic of Teresa as Carol Kaye has her wearing a dress and boots from the early seventies (as per the original image) and CK says she never wore a fire helmet on 11/28/66.



Or so she says....
866  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love on: May 31, 2014, 12:29:11 PM
Here we go again. Mike is only rock's #1 villain to the cult of Brian Wilson.

You either don't real youtube comments or the Cult of Brian is larger than the cult of L. Ron Hubbard.
867  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love on: May 16, 2014, 09:52:55 PM
Still feels like weird, can't help but feel bad for brian in all this

Don't be.

"Yesterday, I found out that Jeff has decided to tour with Mike Love's bb.  I think it's great since he really loved touring with Mike and the boys back in the day.  He made it clear at the end of the JB tour he would be moving on. I wish him the best and I'm happy for him.
 
As for me, I'm busy in the studio working on my new album. A couple months ago I asked Matt Jardine to tour with my band and he accepted. He's a great guy and I love his voice.  He's busy working with Paul and Darian and eager to get started.  All good!!

- Brian"

Don't really care what Brian's people think

I believe he cares a little more than what that statement could ever say

Do you know Brian personally?
868  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love on: May 16, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
Still feels like weird, can't help but feel bad for brian in all this

Don't be.

"Yesterday, I found out that Jeff has decided to tour with Mike Love's bb.  I think it's great since he really loved touring with Mike and the boys back in the day.  He made it clear at the end of the JB tour he would be moving on. I wish him the best and I'm happy for him.
 
As for me, I'm busy in the studio working on my new album. A couple months ago I asked Matt Jardine to tour with my band and he accepted. He's a great guy and I love his voice.  He's busy working with Paul and Darian and eager to get started.  All good!!

- Brian"
869  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love on: May 15, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
My guess is that Brian is going to retire from touring...

I don't think Darian is with him either these days.

He was with Brian last year.
870  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: May 15, 2014, 12:20:08 PM
They haven't learned a thing. Cry

Nope.
871  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show on: May 15, 2014, 08:40:06 AM
Founding member leaves group. Spot filled by replacement.

Replacement leaves group. Spot filled by founding member.

Not the norm in R&R!

This is exciting! I hope it works out. Now I don't see why David can't be added too, him and Scott can trade leads!

AS for Christians vocals, last summer he sang "Getcha Back" "Then I Kissed Her" and "Good Vibrations". Obviously the first should be done by Mike in the first place, but if they never played this again I don't think anyone would run home crying. The second was Al's lead anyway, and the latter has been done by Randell Kirsch in the past. So this would be a very easy transition!

Never cared much for Christian....he has the stage presence of a celery stick.

But aren't you the guy who hates seeing extra musicians on a concert stage?  Seeing a symphony orchestra must put you in a rage.
872  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: It's been almost 27 years.... on: May 12, 2014, 11:11:33 AM
I don't think ANYONE should be inducted into the R'nRHoF as a solo artist if they've already been inducted as part of another act, UNTIL the ever-growing backlog of much-deserving acts who've been overlooked so far have been inducted first.



So you would deny Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Michael Jackson, Eric Clapton, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison the recognition they deserve for having success outside of their respective bands?
873  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BAD press, interviews, etc. on: May 06, 2014, 11:15:41 AM
This was all so obvious. . . .The Professor said as much a thousand times. .

I could not sit through a single song on youtube from this Wilson Beck thing, which was incoherent in every respect. . .

what now? Call Mike, Brian!




How was it "incoherent"?
874  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How radio turned their back on them on: April 23, 2014, 09:04:39 AM
They didn't make music that radio audiences wanted to buy or hear.

Then explain why many of those singles became hits overseas?

Sure. Radio audiences there wanted to buy or hear them.


But there were acts that had success in the US AND overseas at the same time. It doesn't make sense that they would lose their appeal in one region but not another.  Do It Again hit number 1 in the UK but as far as I know, the UK had hippies,  protests and the counterculture too. None of that stopped the BB records from being hits there.
875  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How radio turned their back on them on: April 22, 2014, 08:57:24 AM
They didn't make music that radio audiences wanted to buy or hear.

Then explain why many of those singles became hits overseas?
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