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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 20, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
Stamos has gone rogue! Evil

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 05:02:01 PM
As a huge Beach Boys fan and a strong conservative centered around the importance of values, morals and ethics, I'm proud that Mike is playing the Trump sponsored concert.   For all my other musical 'heroes' that have supported the politics of hatred, divide, racism and suppression of freedoms (liberals), I'm glad that the Beach Boys band name is being represented on the right side of history.    Congrats to Mike.   Remember, the thoughts shared on these boards are not as widespread as you'd like to believe.   Americans in the vast majority of states, cities and counties elected Trump as our President because he stood for the political decisions/directions we so desired after being on the brink of a civil war with President Obama.   The seething anger of racism generated by that man's words and actions were unlike anything this country had saw, but the media and these boards rarely bothered to notice or report.  

For fucks sake, youíre completely missing the point that theyíre playing a concert for a crowd during a pandemic. I donít give a sh*t about Mikeís politics or your politics, it doesnít change that itís stupid and dangerous and against CDC guidelines.

Hi Rocky.  No, I didn't miss that point.  I think its perfectly okay to play a concert during a 'pandemic' because I don't believe its a 'pandemic'.   Survival rates are over 99.9% and nearly half of the reported deaths are dying WITH COVID, not OF COVID.  And American numbers include all the states where liberal Governors placed COVID patients in nursing homes with those most susceptible!  I live near Lancaster, PA where this occurred.  It was truly heartbreaking.  The elderly were killed and then the numbers are now used on Biden ads as political fodder.   The numbers are completely overstated and the real truth is in overall deaths from year to year.   We all have family in the medical field and some in the undertaking field continually exposing death certificates where COVID was slapped on because of the financial incentives.  We also all have families with real examples of healthy people dying of COVID.  No doubt, the virus is real and dangerous, but its been totally blown out of proportion for government control which is making much worse scenarios than simply protecting those most vulnerable.  Luckily, Trump cut off travel to China early on.   Remember, the experts stated for years including this spring that masks do nothing.   Now, people are turning against each other because they bought into the hype that MY MASK PROTECTS YOU.   No, your mask is having more ill affects on you having to breathe your own 'exhaust' all day long.   We could publicize stories on a daily basis of heathly individuals dying from a variety of common illnesses.   This was an evil political opportunity.  For instance, cancer patients are in much higher numbers and always have been more susceptible to illnesses and we didn't care for them with COVID-like precautions??   And obviously, the media is outraged by Trump's rallies but has no problem with the racist protestors that rioted in our USA cities and streets most of the summer months???

Wow. Just. Wow.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 18, 2020, 08:07:55 AM
A couple of years ago we had the pleasure of attending a Brian Wilson concert called "Something Great from '68" that featured Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin and had the Zombies as the opening act performing their Odessey & Oracle album in its entirety, with Darian Sahanaja playing on stage with the Zombies.  

Then Brian and his band (including Al and Blondie) took the stage and performed the Friends album (or at least most of it) just like Brian had done in previous years with Pet Sounds and Smile. It was to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Friends album.

But just prior to starting the Friends album set, Al said something which I thought was a bit odd. He said something to the effect that "this band up here knows these songs better than I do, and I was there when we recorded them, and while I have no idea why you would actually want to hear this album performed in its entirety, here it is."

He was clearly bemused by the idea of performing in its entirety what he apparently thought was mostly a "throwaway" album of mostly insignificant songs, but at the same time he was certainly willing to do it if that's what Brian and his band wanted to play and if that's what the audience wanted to hear.

So other than maybe "Cotton Fields," maybe that's how Al feels about Sunflower and Surf's Up or (especially) the unreleased Sunflower and Surf''s Up era tracks that he thinks are mostly forgettable or in some cases embarrassing or maybe even outright suck. Maybe there is just not as much juice or enthusiasm for the Sunflower and Surf's Up period among the surviving Beach Boys as there is with Beach Boys fans.

Al doesn't dislike any of that material. He likes it. He was talking about doing "Be Here in the Morning" back in 1999 with his "Family & Friends" band. He's been doing multiple songs from "Surf's Up" at his own solo shows. The issue is that his brain still, in part, associates all of that material with not selling well and not regularly doing the material in concert.

What you're seeing/hearing when Al does that shtick about "Friends" (or insert the name of whatever album/song/era that wasn't popular at the time) is just a leftover from the mentality all of the guys have had to varying degrees over the years.

For whatever reason, they measure things by how popular they were/are. You can go all the way back to concert recordings from the 70s/80s/90s where band members are literally *apologizing* on stage for doing a new song, or a rare cut. In some cases they would even introduce *semi-hits* as if they were doing some crazy, rare cut. "Heroes and Villains" was introduced this way sometimes in the 90s for instance.

Read recent interviews with Billy Joel. He describes doing *fan favorite* cuts like "All for Leyna" and "Laura" as if he thinks/knows the audience has no interest in it. The guy doesn't have *that* many albums, and when he does a 20K seater arena, I assure you many thousands remember "All for Leyna" or whatever.

Anyway, my point is that to varying degrees, especially the members that toured for all those decades, they don't think of the BB catalog the way we do. They don't look at it all as music. They look at it partly as product, and they remember what was a hit and what wasn't. Now, some members, if you almost sort of *force* them to get out of that mindset and just listen to and talk about the music, will then talk about how amazing the music is. Pretty much all the guys but Mike seem pretty capable of doing it. Mike will occasionally acknowledge and show appreciate for "bombs". But Mike is the only member who seems to nearly always run all of the material through the filter of what was and wasn't a hit or otherwise popular.

Long story short, the issues with the "Feel Flows" set do not have anything to do with Al Jardine (or Brian or Bruce, or even Mike particularly) not liking the 70/71 material. I think Mike is the least effusive about that material, but even in that case, I don't think his lack of overt, regular enthusiasm for the material is the direct reason for any problems with getting the set released.

Again, you have to realize that the band okayed the set being compiled, mixed, and mastered. If they didn't like the material at all or hated it so much they didn't want such a set out, they wouldn't have bothered having the whole thing compiled, which took a lot of work and time.

No, I don't think this is accurate. Hasn't Mike often performed All This Is That? Isn't Forever a regular song on his set list? Didn't he perform Wild Honey awhipe ago? I have seen many times where Mike praises the music of the late 60s and early 70s but blames Capitol for continuing to promote them as a surf band. In his book he stated that in the early 70s they would perform songs like Long Promised Road, Surfs Up or All This Is That, and he has the scars to prove it. Implying that fans wanted to hear the hits. Carl Wilson has said the same thing. The Beach Boys were fighting their audience back then. I believe that times have changed in the 21st century and not only Brian does a lot of deep cuts, Mike added songs to his set list as well. The 2012 concerts had somgs across all eras and guess who was in charge of the set list. Mike!

Again I say, the argument that Mike is the one keeping Feel Flows to come out because it has too much Dennis material contradicts what has recently come out with the Friends and 20/20 sessions as well as Made in California. All heavy on unreleased Dennis Wilson songs.

I know the politics of the band, but I also know how fans and media have exaggerated facts throughout history to create a narrative that Mike Love is evil. So again I say to all on this board, give me some facts that proves Mike is the reason Feel Flows Isn't coming out. Not just because you think you know how it works.

Just to point this out, Brian was doing deep cuts when Mike was still doing the hits and oldies covers.  Mike was not some revolutionary genius in this regard. He didnít want to get outshined by someone that he feels is an inferior performer. So,he thought ďIíll start doing rare stuff, too.Ē
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 16, 2020, 11:51:19 AM
A couple of years ago we had the pleasure of attending a Brian Wilson concert called "Something Great from '68" that featured Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin and had the Zombies as the opening act performing their Odessey & Oracle album in its entirety, with Darian Sahanaja playing on stage with the Zombies. 

Then Brian and his band (including Al and Blondie) took the stage and performed the Friends album (or at least most of it) just like Brian had done in previous years with Pet Sounds and Smile. It was to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Friends album.

But just prior to starting the Friends album set, Al said something which I thought was a bit odd. He said something to the effect that "this band up here knows these songs better than I do, and I was there when we recorded them, and while I have no idea why you would actually want to hear this album performed in its entirety, here it is."

He was clearly bemused by the idea of performing in its entirety what he apparently thought was mostly a "throwaway" album of mostly insignificant songs, but at the same time he was certainly willing to do it if that's what Brian and his band wanted to play and if that's what the audience wanted to hear.

So other than maybe "Cotton Fields," maybe that's how Al feels about Sunflower and Surf's Up or (especially) the unreleased Sunflower and Surf''s Up era tracks that he thinks are mostly forgettable or in some cases embarrassing or maybe even outright suck. Maybe there is just not as much juice or enthusiasm for the Sunflower and Surf's Up period among the surviving Beach Boys as there is with Beach Boys fans.

I've told the story before- When I met Al, I mentioned something about "Lookin At Tomorrow" (I think I said I was surprised he didn't play it), and he responded very strangely. He seemed taken aback or almost offended, and said something like, "No, no ... that song is not ... appropriate ..."

Maybe he thought you said "Never Learn not to Love"....possible.

I agree with that. He might have misheard you, perhaps? He has performed it live.

https://youtu.be/M0mAZr7BKzA
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Year is 2032: Mike Love Interview, the Last Living Beach Boy! on: October 09, 2020, 09:10:12 PM
A glimpse into the abyss:

Mike is interviewed by John Tesh on Mikeís 91st birthday

JT: Mike, itís an honor to interview the man who wrote the words to songs like ďFun, Fun, FunĒ and ďCalifornia GirlsĒ!

ML: Words AND MUSIC, John, donít forget what my lawyers told you before we started talking...

JT: Oh yeah, right! You also wrote most of the other hits by the group, if memory serves?

ML: Thatís right, the only one I didnít write was ďRock and Roll MusicĒ, Iíve never been able to get writerís credits from the Chuck Berry estate, though everyone knows I wrote the whole darned thing.

JT: If I remember correctly, you had a cousin who used to claim to have written some of the Pet Sounds album.  Whatís the story there?

ML: That might be my cousin, oh, what was his name?  Brad?  I know it starts with a ďBĒ...

JT: Wasnít Brian Wilson your cousin?  And didnít he used to follow you around and try to get you to write songs with him?

ML:  Yeah, that was his name, BRIAN!  He wasnít the most memorable guy!  I used to feel sorry for him, he used drugs and didnít meditate, so I used to let him get some credits on songs I wrote so he could pay his bills. He had a couple of brothers, too, and they were always trying to take credit for stuff I did.  I did a solo album once and Bradís brother Derek  told people it was his album, I think it was called Atlantic Ocean Grey or something like that. 


You get the drift...

I dare you to post this over at EH. 😂😂😂
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Alan Deane vocal scores - I Found Them!!! on: October 03, 2020, 08:22:23 AM
Thank you so much! So excited to check these out.

Suggestion: get Google Drive!
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Alan Deane vocal scores - I Found Them!!! on: October 02, 2020, 02:24:54 PM
Any chance that someone who managed to download these could repost them?

*whew*

https://www.reddit.com/r/thebeachboys/comments/cayez8/sheet_music/
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Alan Deane vocal scores - I Found Them!!! on: October 02, 2020, 01:14:12 PM
Does anyone still have these? I can't get the link to work.

Back in the summer, it seems like the site was shut down.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 24, 2020, 11:28:49 AM
Agree about the suckiness of RS' website. I've subscribed to the magazine for decades, but have been forced to drop it due to overpriced renewal rates.

I noticed that the article mentions another tour date for M&B (Charlotte) as happening this year, but it has actually been pushed back to 2021. Which means the dates on the official BB page aren't being updated frequently enough.

Anybody still interested in reading RS, if you have a library card and your local library supports the RB Digital app, you can check out digital copies of the magazine on the app.

https://www.recordedbooks.com/rbdigital-marketing
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 23, 2020, 08:18:08 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/remaking-500-greatest-albums-1061229/

It was a much younger generation of writers, musicians, and execs voting. As shocking as the Beatles drop was, the fact that Pet Sounds retained itís spot from the 2003 is remarkable.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 22, 2020, 03:36:56 PM
There are also two albums with BBs on backing vocals on the list:

129. Pink Floyd, The Wall
214. Tom Petty, Wildflowers

The biggest surprise for me was the Beatles' Revolver (#11) ranking higher than Sgt. Pepper's LHCB (#24).


Why? Revolver was their best record.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 22, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
Itís still there.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 16, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
Iím actually Rocky Pamplin.

Loosers.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 14, 2020, 09:49:30 AM
"I remember when Alan Boyd came to this site and implored fans to support the 68-69 set, and reminded everyone how important it was to do so. That it was extremely important for fan support to continue, and for the label to see that fan support continuing."

I missed this. If Alan were imploring fans to support Feel Flows, I would be more likely to jump in. I trust Alan.

December 21, 2006 Ė y're welcome:

Quote from: guitarfool2002
But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

Quote from: Alan Boyd
It is becoming so incredibly difficult to get the corporate support that enables these highly specialized niche oriented projects to happen at all. Proudly stating that you won't pay a dime for a project because I acknowledged AGD for historical research in the special thanks isn't just a matter of availing yourself of the YouTube option. It feels more like a sort of boycott.  And this time it hurts a little, because (as you may have noticed), there is no promotion for this year's stack of tracks. We're hoping and praying that people who appreciate the hard work that goes into these projects will support that work by buying copies/downloads and proving to Universal Music that there is a market for this kind of Beach Boys archival collection.

The attention and feedback you all have given over the years has been inspiring. As for the stuff between the message boards and whatever it is we stepped in that made you decide to not actually purchase our latest work.... I don't know what to say to that. I hope you'll change your mind, because we need all the help we can get out here.

Did Andrew tell you to do that?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 14, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
"I remember when Alan Boyd came to this site and implored fans to support the 68-69 set, and reminded everyone how important it was to do so. That it was extremely important for fan support to continue, and for the label to see that fan support continuing."

I missed this. If Alan were imploring fans to support Feel Flows, I would be more likely to jump in. I trust Alan.

December 21, 2006 Ė y're welcome:

Quote from: guitarfool2002
But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

Quote from: Alan Boyd
It is becoming so incredibly difficult to get the corporate support that enables these highly specialized niche oriented projects to happen at all. Proudly stating that you won't pay a dime for a project because I acknowledged AGD for historical research in the special thanks isn't just a matter of availing yourself of the YouTube option. It feels more like a sort of boycott.  And this time it hurts a little, because (as you may have noticed), there is no promotion for this year's stack of tracks. We're hoping and praying that people who appreciate the hard work that goes into these projects will support that work by buying copies/downloads and proving to Universal Music that there is a market for this kind of Beach Boys archival collection.

The attention and feedback you all have given over the years has been inspiring. As for the stuff between the message boards and whatever it is we stepped in that made you decide to not actually purchase our latest work.... I don't know what to say to that. I hope you'll change your mind, because we need all the help we can get out here.

Did Andrew tell you to do that?
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Endless Summer vs. Spirit of America on: September 11, 2020, 08:12:26 PM
They are almost the BB equivalent of the Beatlesí Red and Blue albums.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Youtube video question on: September 10, 2020, 01:07:59 AM
Goiní To The Beach, which was released on the Made In California box set.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 04, 2020, 05:11:48 PM
So taking two quotes form the above post...Stebbins says "sometimes its a one or two man firing squad", and ESQ says that in regard to archival releases "majority rules the day." So if Mike alone cannot stop an archival release, are we left to believe that Carl's estate also does not want this released? That doesn't make sense, but logically, who is the other "no" vote?

I think the "two man firing squad" refers to Mike and Brian. Obviously Mike is usually the main agitator, but so many of the group's major conflicts have been a struggle between those two forces. I don't really buy in to the whole Melinda-as-abusive-puppetmaster thing, but Mike Love certainly does as evidenced by his post-2012 comments about Brian. And Brian Wilson has a strong "team" these days in terms of PR. I wouldn't be surprised if Mike's frustrations stemmed from the way *Brian's team* feels that Brian should be represented on this set and its liner notes. On Brian's social media, there has definitely been a deliberate effort to change the mythos of him being in bed from 1967 to 1976- which is justified since we all know Brian remained heavily involved at least until 1972-ish. But maybe Mike feels that there is some overcompensating going on and that Brian is hogging the limelight in the narrative about a period in which the other Beach Boys began doing more of the heavy lifting.


I think that is my feeling as well.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: August 29, 2020, 09:31:03 PM
Junior Brown was great. I had a friend who kept sending me tapes of his stuff - radio concerts, etc - so i started looking out for him on tv and stuff. Wish the Beach Boys had gone after more cutting edge country artists like him, as well as more of the legends. I would think it's a no-brainer to have Glen Campbell sing on your country album - the man WAS A BEACH BOY! He played on their records!
I seriously doubt the Beach Boys saw themselves as having anything in common with bands in the alternative scene, although many of them pledged allegiance to the genius named Brian Wilson. I can just imagine Mike or Al being given some grunge band cd and trying to here some "Little Honda" or "409" influence in there.

But it wasnít the grunge guys who were talking up Brian. It was, for want of a better description, the power pop guys like Matthew Sweet and Jellyfish. And indie orchestral pop guys like Sean OíHagan.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: August 28, 2020, 03:05:28 PM
I'm pretty sure the only reason this album exists is because they saw what happened when a slew of country artists covered an album's worth of Eagles songs on Common Thread a couple of years before...it was a HUGE success, reigniting interest in that band and leading to a full reunion/revival/resurgence. They/Thomas figured the same formula would work for them, only it would be better, since the Boys themselves would be backing all the country folk. So they brought in a couple of legacy artists (Willie, Tammy - even though she didn't make it to Volume 1, maybe they were holding her back for Volume 2), and several of the contemporary crowd, and expected a multi-platinum result. Er, no......

And they couldnít really get a lot of the huge contemporary stars. No Garth or Vince or Reba or Shania. Most of the contemporary folks were either on their way up (Toby Keith was still several years away from superstardom) or on their way down.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 22, 2020, 05:57:58 PM
I signed the petition few days ago and posted it on my Facebook page.

Has anyone over at EH posted a link to the petition?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Nate Ruess on collaborating with Brian Wilson on: August 19, 2020, 08:06:37 AM
Fantastic. So, Nate sang not only the lead on Saturday Night...but also at least some of the background parts, directed on the fly by Brian Wilson.

Side note: I accept that there will be other opinions on this, but to hear professionals talk that way about Mike Love towards the end of the segment I found a little offputting.

Why? Nate is just being honest about Mikeís rep.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: August 01, 2020, 07:44:12 AM
All I have to say about this is...how fucking dare you endanger the safety of your fans in a situation like this. A man has the right to learn a living, but there are better and safer ways to do it.

I agree completely.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: A Beach Boy's Tale on: July 24, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
Where do I get the pm? I donít see any

Check the very top of the page. It should tell you if you have any PMs.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: A Beach Boy's Tale on: July 24, 2020, 04:43:24 AM
I believe I have recorded this on vhs. I havenít watched it in awhile. Doesnít this begin with Brian playing and singing God Only Knows at his piano?

Yes, you are correct.
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