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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Have You Guys Seen This One?
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on: March 02, 2012, 01:44:55 PM
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I don't think Brian's as messed up these days as everyone seems to think. I see no evidence of tardive dyskinesia - I'm a physician and I have taken care of multiple psychiatric patients. Brian looks more like an eccentric old guy than damaged goods. The guy has what appears to be schizo-affective disorder.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rio Grande
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on: December 25, 2011, 08:23:39 AM
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Rio Grande is a beautiful thing. Love and Mercy along with Melt Away are as good as any songs in the cannon. That Brian could make music that good in the midst the the ensuing Landy debacle demonstrates the man's incomparable talent.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile as a solo album in 1967
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on: October 23, 2011, 07:50:46 PM
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It's easy to look back 40 years and view Brian as a martyr for his art - remember that Mike wrote the lyrics for GV and contributed to the hook. These guys weren't obligated to be Brian's robots and just do what he told them - Mike has co-responsibility for several hits that made a lot of money. If Brian wanted to be in The Beach Boys then to some degree he was obligated to consider their desires, needs, and tastes - otherwise he should have made a solo LP, left the band, or both.
Not to diminish the significance of Mike's contributions in any way, but when you have a guy writing material like "Surf's Up," Wonderful," etc., why wouldn't you want to be his "robot"? Of course everyone wants to be heard, but I can't imagine hearing music like that and then having the audacity to question the man who is responsible for its creation. Brian earned the right to do things his way without being questioned. I would - but I can certainly imagine Mike not wanting to go that "artistic" direction. He's never been much of an experimenter since - especially in terms of lyrical content. Bands directed with an authoritarian artistic style rarely survive the long haul - ask John Fogerty. For all practical purposes Pet Sounds was a solo record with the Beach Boys as session singers - so was SMiLE. I can imagine Carl having concerns that the music could not be reproduced in concert.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile as a solo album in 1967
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on: October 23, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
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What Peter says was voted down was Brian's concept of Smile as a three movement suite. After the meeting it went back to a 12 track album.
I find this difficult to accept since the first time we hear about movements is from Peter speaking with Brian in the late 70s/ early 80 s. Van Dyke, Brian's collaborator for the project, never heard anything about movements - there were to be 12 tracks, no link tracks or movements. Why would Brian keep this concept from Van Dyke but share it with mike, Carl et al? And let's assume he did tell Mike and Carl he wanted to do the album in movements - what would be their objection? If they liked the songs, do you think Mike would say, OK, cabin essence and Surf's up are great songs, but you can't put them together in a movement, that's too weird?
Color me skeptical.
I don't buy this - I don't think there's much evidence to support the 3 movement paradigm in 66-67. I would expect to see evidence in Frank Holmes art - which I don't. Maybe "The Elements" as a 3 movement suite - but not the LP in total.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile as a solo album in 1967
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on: October 23, 2011, 05:26:17 PM
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What I can't get my head around is how does anyone other than Mike have the audacity to veto the album in December '66? Was Al even a voting member of the band at that point? Bruce? Dennis wouldn't vote against Brian and I'd be very surprised if Carl did - Good Vibrations is still on the charts. Mike was pissed about the Van Dyke thing - my guess is that any meeting had less to do with the music than Mike, and maybe the others collectively, bitching about the lyrics to the point of refusing to sing some of them, ie "Hang on to Your Ego".
This may have taken place after or around the session that went "badly" in December and "almost broke the band up". Shortly thereafter VDP leaves. It appears, however, that Brian didn't give up without a fight. He directs his attention to a single to buy some time and gets Parks to come back for a short period of time. It would explain why so many songs are so close to being finished waiting for the lead vocals - they were arguing over the words.
Ultimately Brian's deteriorating psychological status, loss of confidence, and ultimately the final departure of VDP signal the end. Brian shelves SMiLE and to extent that he can leaves it buried.
I'll bet you that if Brian had caved to some degree - let Mike write lyrics for several of the songs - SMiLE would have been completed.
It's easy to look back 40 years and view Brian as a martyr for his art - remember that Mike wrote the lyrics for GV and contributed to the hook. These guys weren't obligated to be Brian's robots and just do what he told them - Mike has co-responsibility for several hits that made a lot of money. If Brian wanted to be in The Beach Boys then to some degree he was obligated to consider their desires, needs, and tastes - otherwise he should have made a solo LP, left the band, or both.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Sessions reviews anyone?!
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on: October 20, 2011, 08:09:24 AM
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A rather sniffy review in WORD magazine. Claims that SMiLE is of a lesser quality to Pet Sounds and the Beatles albums of the time. It also says that a lot of SMiLE is filler, or words to that effect, stating that apart from Wonderful and Surf's Up nothing else on SMiLE comes close to Good Vibrations and Heroes and Villains. Personally I think all of the above is garbage - SMiLE is infinitely superior to Sgt Pepper - but each to their own I suppose... Not a big fan of Word magazine anyway. Looking forward to next issue of MOJO however. They're generally big supporters of Brian and the Beach Boys so hopefully SMiLE will get a cover, feature, interesting review, etc.
You may prefer SMilE but I can't say it's "infintely superior" to Pepper. By virtue of the fact that Pepper was completed and released as a tramsformational work speaks for itself. To the casual listener I can certainly see that much of SMiLE does sound like filler - there's lot's of vocals incomplete or missing entirely or relatively esoteric instrumental tracks. When I listen to SMiLE - part of my brain is trying to fill in the missing links - non fans can't even begin to go there. In the end, SMiLE garnered substantial mystique from being unreleased for so long - ironically it does live up to the hype.
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