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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set
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on: August 28, 2021, 05:42:07 PM
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Sadly looks like my Amazon pre-order carries a date of late September or October. I could order new now and get it in two days, but at extra cost. Anybody having delays through their pre-order?
Get on to customer service and see if they'll honour the original price
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'CHAOS' The new Manson book
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on: August 24, 2021, 05:35:03 AM
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To my knowledge neither Gregg nor anyone else has ever claimed that he made musical contributions to Denny's songs, just the lyrics?
So I don't see how musical talent or lack thereof would even enter into it. Denny just had trouble expressing himself in words. That's certainly a valid point, but this is relevant quote from the book: Dennis Wilson’s biographer John Stebbins believed Jakobson “testified to protect Wilson from having to do the same.” Wilson gave Jakobson cowriting credits—and therefore a steady stream of royalties—on many of his songs, even though Jakobson “had no idea what he was doing” in the studio, where it seemed he “didn’t know a guitar string from a piano key.”O'Neill's clear implication here is that Gregg's credits were, at least partially, a quid pro quo for testifying in Denny's place. I know that John S. is a member of this forum, so maybe he's discussed this issue before, but saying that Jakobson lacked (or lacks) musical talent and implying that his songwriting credits were perhaps undeserved aren't necessarily the same thing. You can believe that Jakobson was a non-musician but a decent (or at least helpful) lyricist deserving of whatever credits he received. But I think O'Neill is pretty clearly suggesting something other than that. BTW, another interesting thing in the book is the suggestion by Terry that Bugliosi didn't want Denny testify because they thought Denny was crazy and detached from reality. Melcher talks about Denny possessing an "antigravity" device with Terry at least believing that Denny thought it was real. Of course, Dennis' various issues of recklessness and substance abuse have been well-known, but the idea that he was suffering from delusions or paranoid fantasies is kinda news to me. If this is true, one wonders to the extent that Dennis might have been suffering from some of the same mental-health issues that plagued Brian though perhaps was better at concealing it? I remember that, Dennis thought the device could make his car fly over traffic I dont know how Dennis was at this time but it doesn't jive with the music he was starting to make
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set
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on: August 23, 2021, 01:21:12 PM
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Happy Feel Flows week Hard to believe that most of Dennis's early '70s solo work with Daryl Dragon is finally going to see release THIS WEKK, among countless other gems. Reminds me of the week that Made in California was set to come out, with "Wouldn't it be Nice (to Live Again)" about to be heard for the first time. It didn't disappoint and neither will this material, if the snippet of "Behold the Night" played on the Beard/Boyd podcast is any indication. I am very excited for "behold the night"
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'CHAOS' The new Manson book
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on: August 23, 2021, 01:19:26 PM
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On your recommendation, I borrowed the eBook and skimmed the relevant chapters. Yes, it's very dark stuff indeed, alleging that Dennis and particularly Terry were involved much longer and more deeply with "The Family" than had been previously acknowledged. The author seems to believe that Vince Bugliosi covered for Terry and minimized his involvement.
Something new-ish with respect to BB history is the author's suggestion that Gregg Jakobson had very limited musical talent and that Denny gave Gregg songwriting credits as a "thank you" for testifying in the Manson trial so Denny didn't have to. Not sure that I really buy that. If we were talking just about a few Sunflower-era credits, it might be plausible, but if the Denny-Gregg collaboration was more pretense than reality, why would it have continued into Pacific Ocean Blue 6 or 7 years later? The Manson thing had surely blown over by that point, so I'm very much inclined to believe that Gregg's songwriting credits were deserved.
That was actually John Stebbins who suggested that to the author
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 'CHAOS' The new Manson book
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on: August 23, 2021, 09:41:22 AM
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Has anyone else read this? It is wild!
Dennis and The Beach Boys play a big role in it. It alleges that Dennis was involved in a cover up with Terry Melcher after the murders. That Hollywood knew right after that the Beach Boys were involved and they were shunned, FBI bugging Beach Boys offices.. crazy stuff.
No Beach Boys talked to the author but he does talk to some exes of Dennis, despar is in it. Really interesting stuff, The book is getting a lot of attention.
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