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51  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: August 31, 2015, 03:44:59 PM
Science is a religion.

That's only said by people who don't work in science Smiley
52  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: August 31, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
Don't be silly Loaf.  It's a very delicate age.  Those children deserve the best care possible.  Not an executioner.

Now, I'm not a doctor.  But I don't think they should be talking about how to best remove the child's heads.  And how to ship them with the eyes closed, so when the person opens it, they're not freaked out.  Call me old fashioned.

Am I getting through, by the way?  Is this thing on?

You still aren't making your position clear… I gather that you are against abortion, but do you think research on foetal/stem cell tissue shouldn't be allowed?

Or is it just the practicality of stem cell research that you don't agree with?

Or both?

I am genuinely interested.
53  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: August 28, 2015, 01:56:39 PM
But what if you reach a point in your life where stuff like this is gross?

Yeah, but which part is bone chilling to you?
54  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: August 27, 2015, 08:52:40 AM
Planned Parenthood Baby Parts Buyer Laughs About Shipping Severed Heads

The latest undercover Planned Parenthood video is an interview with Cate Dyer, CEO of an organization called StemExpress that buys aborted baby body parts from Planned Parenthood and sells them to researchers.

There are no graphic images in the video, but Dyer's comments about shipping the severed intact "calvarium" or skull of an aborted baby are bonechilling.

StemExpress: I know we get requests for neural [tissue]. It's the hardest thing in the world to ship.

Buyer: You do it as the whole calvarium.

StemExpress: That's it, yeah, that's the easiest way. And I mean we've actually had good success with that in the past.

Buyer: Yeah, Make sure the eyes are closed!

StemExpress: [Loud Laughter] Tell the lab it's coming. So they don't open the box and go, "Oh God!" [Laughter] So yeah, whereas so many of the academic labs cannot fly like that. They're just not capable.

Buyer: Why is that? I don't understand that.

StemExpress: It's almost like they don't want to know where it comes from. I can see that. Where they're like, "We need limbs, but no hands and feet need to be attached." [...] They want you to take it all off, like, "Make it so that we don't know what it is."

Buyer: Yeah. Bone the chicken for me and then I'll eat it.

StemExpress: That's it. But we know what it is [Laughter]. [...] Their lab techs freak out, and have meltdowns, and so it's just like, yeah.


I'm not quite sure what's "bonechilling" about it?
55  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The What Are You Reading? Thread on: August 27, 2015, 08:49:01 AM

I also just finished, for the first time, Watchmen, by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons. I haven't read much in the way of graphic novels, but this was superb. An in-depth take on the (alternative) reality of costumed superheroes, and I was impressed by how much narrative detail was packed into the pictures. The Incredibles owes a big debt to it.


If you enjoyed that, check out the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volumes (including "The Black Dossier").  It's set in the broader world of fiction - ie, Moore and artist Kevin O'Neil borrow/steal as many fictional characters as possible (from various genres and mediums), in some cases as main characters, in other cases to pad out the background - and the greatest superhero ever appears in the Century series (no spoilers here).


Thanks for the tip, Alan. I had my eye on From Hell too, and I'd be curious to know what AGD thinks of it, if he's read it, being a Ripper scholar. I can imagine, as Alan Moore takes a couple of liberties with his speculation (though apparently it is meticulously researched), that it wouldn't be to Andrew's taste, but, as Al sez, "strange things happen"! Smiley
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson biography due September 29th on: August 25, 2015, 02:13:30 PM

05/19/1948.....do I win a new car or something ?



By the way: The announced date of the book's release date is my birthday as well – 9/29/50.

[Wow! The second oldest poster documented on the board! Congratulations!]

6/22/50. Wife 9/11/53. She's been a fan since we met in high school.  Comes with the


A Model T
57  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The What Are You Reading? Thread on: August 25, 2015, 02:09:49 PM
I saw the Shogun TV series and enjoyed it ("Fare thee well to the Barbary Merchants…"), and I have the book on my shelf but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

I finished China Mieville's Kraken. A hugely imaginative, and very well written, science fiction novel, expanding on the Cthulhu myth and Tennyson's 'Kraken' sonnet.

I'm now reading Art Spiegelman's graphic novel Maus.
58  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The What Are You Reading? Thread on: August 10, 2015, 03:06:41 PM
Finished Red Sorghum, by Mo Yan. Very violent in places, but enjoyable and not overly long (330 pages).

I also just finished, for the first time, Watchmen, by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons. I haven't read much in the way of graphic novels, but this was superb. An in-depth take on the (alternative) reality of costumed superheroes, and I was impressed by how much narrative detail was packed into the pictures. The Incredibles owes a big debt to it.

I'm currently reading China Mieville's Kraken. A supernatural tale set in London about a cult kidnapping a giant squid from the Natural History Museum. Anyone else read any Mieville?
59  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: White Album - Single Album on: August 06, 2015, 07:48:22 AM
I've said it before, but I think The Beatles White Album should have been a triple album.

Add the outtakes from the Anthology series and let it all hang out.



...Although i'd be tempted to cut out Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da...
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The miracl of WIBN(TLA) on: August 04, 2015, 06:55:24 AM

On Pacific Ocean Blue there is a quote from Dennis:  "God Bless You Bruce".  I always assumed this was for our Bruce.  Maybe it wasn't.

It was. Bruce came in and did multiple vocal parts on "End Of The Show" for Dennis. But the statement could also be in appreciation of Bruce teaching Dennis a few complex chords and piano voicings back in the day, which helped Dennis enormously as a composer.

I'd really like to hear more about any relationship between Bruce and Dennis. It's a shame Bruce autobiography is non-happening because i'd just like to hear his take on the other guys and their lives together. Forget the TMZ-angle, what was their day-to-day relationship like? Any other instances of Bruce helping Dennis out? It seems to me that Bruce's ballad style of songwriting isn't so dissimilar from Dennis' ballads. I'd like to hear Bruce cover Only With You.
61  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: July 31, 2015, 10:09:16 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/30/politics/planned-parenthood-fourth-video/

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"There's ample reason to think that this is merely the tried and true tactic that we have seen from some extremists on the right to edit this video and selectively release an edited version of the video that grossly distorts the position of the person who is actually speaking on the video," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said. "And Planned Parenthood has indicated that's what has occurred here."

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Planned Parenthood lawyers declined to enter into a contract with the individuals pretending to be researchers after seeing the contract.

But let's not a lack of facts get in the way of anyone's agenda... Smiley



 LOL  Right!  Just a big misunderstanding I'm sure.  Reminds me of that commercial for parental TV controls, where the mom is talking to a couple of mobsters from a Sopranos-type of show -- "...and last week, when you hit Vinny with the shovel"  And the mobsters look at each other and smirk, before he turns back to the mom "yeah, I do not recall that."  Classic.

However, the fact is, Loaf -- we're talking Nazi-sht. It's just a matter of time before we find the lampshades made from the hides of babies in the office of a Planned Parenthood exec.  You know it.  I know it.  And Vinny knows it.

 LOL
Mengele.

This isn't about choosing. It is trafficking of human body parts.  It will be hard to distance themselves from the apparent quid pro quo. Lamborghini - anyone?

Dr. Josef Mengele. History repeats. Disrespect for humans. Gays, Jews, etc.

God Bless Fox News for airing this footage. An inconvenient truth.

Let's first establish whether it is "truth" before asking God to bless anyone for its inconvenience Smiley
62  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: July 31, 2015, 10:04:45 AM
My beliefs tend to lean more to the right than to the left.  But I do support a woman's right to chose. 

That being said, if these stories are true, then said clinics should be shut down immediately, and the guilty parties prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. 

But, yes, I think there's enough outrage here, that finally some action is being taken.

And that is the problem... there is plenty of outrage, but where are the facts?

Why edit the tape in the first place?
63  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: July 31, 2015, 02:33:10 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/30/politics/planned-parenthood-fourth-video/

Quote
"There's ample reason to think that this is merely the tried and true tactic that we have seen from some extremists on the right to edit this video and selectively release an edited version of the video that grossly distorts the position of the person who is actually speaking on the video," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said. "And Planned Parenthood has indicated that's what has occurred here."

Quote
Planned Parenthood lawyers declined to enter into a contract with the individuals pretending to be researchers after seeing the contract.

But let's not a lack of facts get in the way of anyone's agenda... Smiley

64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Last known pictures of Dennis and Carl on: July 30, 2015, 05:50:13 AM

First, after throwing some items, including a framed picture, into the Pacific Ocean, is it reasonable that Dennis knew EXACTLY where to locate it - at the bottom of the ocean, years later? I mean, when items are thrown into an ocean, do they drop straight down and stay there, not being swept away by the undercurrent?

And second, no matter how well-made or expensive a picture frame may be, it is still a picture frame. And the actual picture is, well, made of paper. After sitting at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean for a few years, how is it possible that the paper picture can even survive, much less look in pristine condition?


Not much undertow in a Marina, so items might not drift too far. And these items weren't dropped out at sea, they were basically thrown overboard from his parking spot. If you show up to work in your parking spot, in the same place for years, you'd be able to find it again.

Photographic film is sturdier than a sheet of plain A4. Also, if it's pressed up tight against the glass, then as long as the glass doesn't shatter, it could reasonably be watertight.
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Three Smile Counterfactuals on: July 28, 2015, 02:54:04 AM
Imagine...

 if Paul McCartney came to LA to catch up with Brian, and Brian confessed his fears to Paul that he'd be unable to finish the album.

Paul takes the tapes back to London with him. A couple of weeks later, he arranges for Brian and the Boys to come and add their vocals to the tracks that The Beatles & George Martin assembled/edited/sweetened.

The final album Atlantic Smile was out to great acclaim and sold a million units in January ('68).

Never in a million years would this have happened, and if it did not only would it have been an even bigger embarrassment to Brian than the album not coming out at all, not only would SMiLE have come out too late to sell a million units or save the band's reputation...but the album would have been a watered down Sgt Pepper-lite mess devoid of all personality and creativity. I cannot imagine a worse scenario.

But it did happen!!!!11
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Three Smile Counterfactuals on: July 27, 2015, 09:22:44 AM
Imagine...

 if Paul McCartney came to LA to catch up with Brian, and Brian confessed his fears to Paul that he'd be unable to finish the album.

Paul takes the tapes back to London with him. A couple of weeks later, he arranges for Brian and the Boys to come and add their vocals to the tracks that The Beatles & George Martin assembled/edited/sweetened.

The final album Atlantic Smile was out to great acclaim and sold a million units in January ('68).
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: July 27, 2015, 09:18:58 AM
I like to think that there's a universe where I'll Bet He's Nice was redone in a Nelson Riddle-style orchestrated version on the Adult/Child LP and was a hit single.
68  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The What Are You Reading? Thread on: July 27, 2015, 09:01:12 AM
I had yesterday off and wandered into a used bookstore. Hopefully I keep up the discipline to work through what I picked up.

 the novel "Then We Came to the End" by Joshua Ferris.


It's a great book. Very funny and quite touching in places.

I recently finished Wizard of the Crow by Ngugi wa Thiong'o (possible Nobel laureate), a satire (or accurate depiction?) or Kenyan/African politics, which was superb, and i'm currently reading Mo Yan's Red Sorghum, set in 1930s China, a small village at war with the Japanese. I'll watch the film once i've finished the book.

And i've got Alan Moore's Watchmen lined up next on the bedside table.
69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Ian & Sylvia - Nashville on: July 23, 2015, 02:34:02 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-ian-sylvias-nashville-country-rocks-great-lost-album-20150722?page=2

Sounds interesting. Anyone heard it? Have any opinions?

I love the 60s Nashville Cats sound.
70  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Conspiracy Theory Vol 420: The Death of Rock & Roll on: July 23, 2015, 02:33:26 AM

I think it's a perfectly legitimate question as long as you're defining it (what is rock and roll? what is dead?). Otherwise it just doesn't mean anything

"rock" is such a fluid term that to define it would either include so much music that isn't "rock", or would include so much stuff that isn't "rock", and could anyone agree? And if people can't agree on a definition, then how can anyone say it's "dead", and what would "dead" even mean?

or, to look at the question from a different angle, is any music form "dead"?

all said in friendly conversation and interested debate, of course Smiley

p.s. on a side-note, i'd say that "rock" is nearing philosophical extinction when people can now "rock" something, e.g. hairstyles.
p.p.s and let's not even get onto the subject of "owning" something, e.g. hairstyles. That pisses me right off. Is there a fad right now in China for trendy people to say that they "collectively share" hairstyles? "Oh, comrade, you are really collectively-sharing that Mao hairstyle" etc etc etc...

That is all--with the exception of the detour into rock-as-wear, or own/share--exactly my point. It's meaningless. The same debate was had over jazz from the late 60s onward. The issue is the same: definitions on the borders. Certain things are well understood to be [genre], but as [genre] evolves, by definition that incorporates other genres, excludes original facets, tests boundaries. That's essential in keeping art forms vibrant but it also changes the thing itself. So when jazz is highly notated and arranged to resemble what we call classical (another form of music whose life has been questioned over the decades), is it jazz? When it loses its swing, is it jazz? When it's electric and has a 2-4 beat? Or is that rock? In rock, when it evolves to incorporate the aforementioned jazz, is that rock? What about dance music? What about rap?

The reality is that these things all evolve. If they didn't, they might as well die, because it would be so excruciatingly dull to have "new" work continue to be limited by those same initial boundaries or touchstones. If one accepts evolution of [genre], then it's inevitable that (especially older generations) are going to cry "it's dead." Whatever newly evolved versions exist by then aren't by or for them.

That I pointed out, there have been many different versions of rock over the past 60 years.  Rock has been infused with every genre out there. 

Unless I missed something, there have really been no new movements in rock since the rap rock movement of the late 90s / early 00s. 

Most new bands of the 2000s are derivative of something that came before.  And that's not necessarily a bad thing.  For example, one of my favorite new bands is Ghost, and they sound a lot like Blue Oyster Cult.  I love the music, but its not breaking any ground.  I think this is enough to sustain the genre. 

Granted I'm not a fan of his whatsoever, but Kid Rock has made a very lucrative career for himself doing a mix of metal, rap, country, southern rock, etc.  Keeps the genre alive, but again, not breaking any new ground. 

Plus, many artists from the old guard are still active with touring and recording. 

While I don't necessarily like the direction rock has taken over the last 20 + years, I can see the genre is still doing OK.  But it doesn't seem to connect with the youth of today in the same way that pop, rap, R&B, and even country have. 

My premise is that by only looking at what is recognized classically as "rock," you're already missing the "living rock" for the dead. The things that happen within the more traditionally defined boundaries are bound--by definition--to seem stale, and it's no surprise that younger generations (except when there are the inevitable, intermittent resurgences of dormant styles, such as with 80s sounding romantic pop right now) eschew them. The "evolved rock" is simply a new species that still maintains remnants, that still has the DNA trail, but just isn't the same thing. If one is looking at or for the vestigial touchstones, one is looking at the "dead" parts.

So that gets us back to some earlier posts by me and others in this thread: at that point, it's about definitions or about the question itself. If you want to limit the definition of rock (even including its previously pushed boundaries and subgenres), and if you want to define "dead" as not among the dominant forms of pop, then yes, it's at least (to quote "the Princess Bride") mostly dead. There is not much life within the traditional boundaries of rock, including its past boundary-pushing. It's not consistently, especially popular among the mainstream and hasn't been in decades. (I would argue traditional rock is most popular in modern country music, which is more or less classic rock with vocal twang, "country" subject matter to the lyrics, and usually unnecessary fiddles or other traditionally country instruments as window dressing.)

If, however, you want to define rock loosely to mean youth-oriented pop music infused with rebellious spirit, then it's not dead. Or if you want to define dead as meaning literally nonexistent, then no, obviously it isn't dead.

disclaimer: I mean this all in the nicest possible way, so no kind of negative attack is intended Smiley

Even in trying to define what "rock" is, or to define the question, means talking ourselves into knots, with qualifiers and added definitions. That's why i said that "is rock dead" is not the right question to ask. Because no meaningful answer can be given. Simultaneously saying yes, no and maybe, is not an answer.

Ovi was closer to the mark, imo, when he said that people have been saying "rock is dead" for 5 decades. The question "is rock dead?" is dead.

Smiley
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Conspiracy Theory Vol 420: The Death of Rock & Roll on: July 23, 2015, 02:26:38 AM
Dreadful word, rock. Give me pop any day. At least pop doesn't die. Grin

Amen. And bless you.

and what do you call pop music that isn't popular? Unpop?

Smiley
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good M&B \ on: July 23, 2015, 02:14:35 AM
I suppose I can only speak for myself, but I've never denied that Mike has plenty of complimentary things to say about Brian in interviews. The problem is that it is often served with a side dish of other less palatable things during the course of a given interview.

Exactly.

But stuff like Mike wishing Brian was his young self, that's stuff that fans of course do indeed process through a filter. That filter includes our own biases and preferences and all of that, but our filters are also colored by reading and guaging the many reactions and comments of Mike over the years. It's not out of line to at least wonder if Mike isn't just whistfully wishing all of his contemporaries were young again, but rather wonder if he has it set in his mind that any Brian that isn't knocking down his door to co-write is somehow evidence of a lesser, damaged Brian. It's not out of line to point out that such comments give the appearance that Mike isn't thinking about whether someone might think the same things about him, wishing he was as prolific and original and youthful and agreeable and amenable as he was in 1963.

I honestly found nothing wrong with Mike saying he misses the young man he created those songs with. For a fact they had great times together, and wrote some of the greatest songs America will ever know. I was more put off by the interviewer's assertion that "Unfortunately, Brian isn’t the same." - I'm still curious what is so unfortunate about Brian's current state compared to his early/mid 60s self...

Agreed; the opinion of the interview and Mike got kind of muddied there. The "unfortunately, Brian isn't the same" bit was where it went even more off the rails, whether it was the sentiment of one or both of the two.

Brian himself says, and has said for a long time, that he's not as driven now as he was in the early 60s. he even wrote a song about it, Elbow 64. Mike misses the drive Brian had to create and succeed. So does Brian.

Cue Joker meme: If brian says it, no one bats an eyelid, if Mike says it, everyone loses their minds.

73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good M&B \ on: July 22, 2015, 05:24:50 AM
Want an article rah-rahing Mike Love and at the same time dissing Brian with the ages-old Mental illness/Brain Damage tag?  
 Just get David Beard. He'll write it time and time again

>>After the show, traveling through the back roads of the North Carolina mountains with the hum of the bus’ wheels muffled in the background, discussion turned to Brian. Without hesitation, Mike was praising his cousin and waxing nostalgic on the music they created together. He misses the young man he created those songs with, and wishes he was the same. Unfortunately, Brian isn’t the same. His mental illness is depicted in the new “Love & Mercy” film chronicling his troubles in the 1960’s, and the continued damage brought on by the overdosing of pills at the hands of Dr. Eugene Landy. Mike respects and loves his cousin more than we can possibly comprehend, but even in the dimly lit bus, the compassion he has for Brian was easy to see and hear. <<

i don't see what is wrong with the bit you quoted.
74  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Conspiracy Theory Vol 420: The Death of Rock & Roll on: July 22, 2015, 04:42:45 AM

I think it's a perfectly legitimate question as long as you're defining it (what is rock and roll? what is dead?). Otherwise it just doesn't mean anything

"rock" is such a fluid term that to define it would either include so much music that isn't "rock", or would include so much stuff that isn't "rock", and could anyone agree? And if people can't agree on a definition, then how can anyone say it's "dead", and what would "dead" even mean?

or, to look at the question from a different angle, is any music form "dead"?

all said in friendly conversation and interested debate, of course Smiley

p.s. on a side-note, i'd say that "rock" is nearing philosophical extinction when people can now "rock" something, e.g. hairstyles.
p.p.s and let's not even get onto the subject of "owning" something, e.g. hairstyles. That pisses me right off. Is there a fad right now in China for trendy people to say that they "collectively share" hairstyles? "Oh, comrade, you are really collectively-sharing that Mao hairstyle" etc etc etc...
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: July 21, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
Isn't "SHE" the person the lyrics are directed too?

I'd always assumed the lyrics were a vernacular way of saying "One Needs A Mess of Help to Stand Alone", meaning the songwriter (i.e Brian).

And the "she don't know" could be a reference to a perceived lack of understanding from his female counterpart (i.e. his wife).

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