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251  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is SMiLE One Big Dream? on: April 30, 2014, 01:43:18 AM
I want to thank everyone for their thoughts on this thread so far.

Brian Wilson's favorite book around the time of SMiLE was Arthur Koestler's THE ACT OF CREATION which placed great importance upon dreaming because it was through this process (and it's combining of seemingly unrelated thoughts) that the greatest and most important discoveries & acts of intellectual evolution (science) happened.

I think Brian Wilson considered genuine spiritual experience on this kind of level.

All these things are related and interconnected. The dream, the discovery, and the spiritual experience. If anyone doubts such a connection I encourage them to read Koesler's accounts of Johannes Kepler's discoveries.

That's a hugely sweeping statement, and mostly inaccurate, I would beg to submit. One, it doesn't apply to all "the greatest discoveries and acts" - example: Archimedes wasn't dreaming when he noticed the bath overflowing when he got into it... Copernicus arrived at his heliocentric model for the solar system through years of patient & careful observation and deduction - and two, I feel that Eisnstein was closer to the actual process you're thinking of with his famous Gedankenexperimenten.

I deeply admire the depth of Bill's research in this area, his ability to present same, and also his ability to admit when he's been heading down the wrong road... but statements such as that above tend to make me go "hmmmm...".

Agreed. Bill, I love your research, writing and website on Smile, but the statement Andrew highlighted is a pop-science fallacy. Edward Jenner, John Snow, Alexander Fleming, Dorothy Hodgkin, Watson&Crick&Wilkins&Franklin, Paul Dirac etc... none of these discoverers of massive scientific advances were dreaming. Years of solid research, intellectual rigour and training went into their work, rather than some vaguely ethereal medium of dreaming Smiley

Art, on the other hand, i'll grant you (McCartney and Yesterday, Richards and Satisfaction). But science? No.
252  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Crosby, Stills & Nash (and Young) - Favorite songs? on: April 12, 2014, 03:49:15 PM
I've got (nearly) everything from a ton of boots to Stills' Right By You to the latest Croz.

Crosby has scattered jazz-inflected gems throughout his career. Time is the Final Currency from the first CPR jeff is an underrated beauty.

Stills had one of the hottest hot streaks ever, from 1966 to 1975, then sadly tailed off as the lifestyle caught up with him. How good was he? His side-project's outtakes (Manassas' Pieces, recently issued on CD) is miles better than most bands manage in a lifetime.

I'm not a huge Nash fan, compared to the other 2 (3). really can't stand Our House and Teach Your Children. Lady of the Island is a bit poor. After the good songs he wrote on CSN 1977 (Cathedral, Cold Rain) he kinda lost it. Some good moments on Looking Forward though.

Songs for Beginners is great, as is most of Wild Tales. Taken At All is superb. Check out the CSNY version. Cathedral is a masterpiece, of course.
253  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums That Were Considered Huge Flops That You Actually Enjoy... on: April 08, 2014, 08:19:09 AM
Kula Shaker, Peasants, Pigs and Astronauts.

Terrible title, great music.
254  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP: \ on: April 04, 2014, 01:56:38 AM
Okay, so what if...

Van Dyke was invited to contribute to the TSS set. He was asked to write an essay for the booklet. He was sent lists of the tracks that were to be included.

What if Van Dyke himself didn't approve of so many unfinished/demo takes being included? What if he thought it would spoil the magic/mystery of the Smile myth or of what he and Brian had attempted to create? What if he was a little embarrassed about some of the material, but, as a lyrical-collaorator only, he had no say in any veto in the tracklisting, and instead protested by not contributing to the set?

Maybe had no problem with BWPS because: a) he was finally getting his public due b) it was a different entity to Smile itself.

Maybe he had a problem with TSS, but not BWPS, being assembled along Darian's three-LP sides plan when back in 1966 they had only planned two sides of the LP?
255  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: the correct perspective on: February 14, 2014, 09:35:15 AM
furthered:

http://www.earcandymag.com/rrcase-rememberzoo.htm
256  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist? on: February 12, 2014, 08:40:45 AM
I know it was the early days and people probably flipped to have ANY tape of the sessions but  a SMiLE without Heroes and Villains and Surf's Up had to be underwhelming.

Surf's Up and H&V had been released in some form. None of the tracks on the Preiss tape had been heard in any form. I doubt 'underwhelmed' was felt by anyone!
257  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Where did the Wilson brothers get their kindness streak from? on: February 07, 2014, 02:06:56 AM
In my experience, people who are abused often show great empathy towards others, especially those who are suffering. So maybe Murry's beatings and intimidation also caused the kindness.

But this is a silly question and all too much like armchair psychology for me.
258  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: M.I.U vs L.A. on: February 03, 2014, 01:32:37 AM
I listen to MIU much more than LA. MIU sounds like an album, but LA sounds like a collection of unrelated songs with transitions between tracks I find quite jarring. Production is pretty poor too on LA.

Baby Blue is the best song on either album, but i find i rarely listen to it.
259  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reaching The Higher Echelon of Beach Boy Fandom on: January 31, 2014, 03:43:05 PM
The death of Junkstar's Male Ego board brought me to the Smileysmile.net board (and it was the death of John B's Gold Board which led me to Junkstar... been cruising these message boards since 97).

BBC Radio 2, Terry Wogan playing Heroes & Villains in the mid-90s, at a time when my teenage heavy metal head was piqued by the Beatles Anthology, took me to a secondhand record shop and a £2 20 Golden Greats LP. Then it was touring the used record shops of several countries hunting down vinyl copies of jeffs not yet released on CD (i found Carl's 2 solo jeffs on vinyl in Halifax, Nova Scotia).
260  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: January 31, 2014, 02:14:05 AM
If you check out some of the comments sections on internet threads where Ambha Love has posted about her dad, there are some absolutely disgusting and just plain wrong sentiments raised by certain types of Beach Boys fans.

For Mike (and his family) to stay as levelheaded about this kind of abuse is damn saintly if you ask me.
261  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson's Secret Bedroom Tapes - LA Weekly 1-30-14 on: January 31, 2014, 02:10:29 AM
This is very exciting. I would love a 60-track compilation of Brian's Bedroom Tapes. Include all the released and unreleased stuff in one package. Everything from the 2-minute Meant For You to the moog experiments.

Please!

While we're on the subject, what type of songs do we think might be considering Bedroom Tapes? Would I Went to Sleep count? A Day in the Life of a Tree? My Little Red Book?
262  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Spanish Kokomo on: January 29, 2014, 01:38:43 AM
"No one knows" seems the best bet.

But i'd imagine that because the BBs showed that they could have a hit #1 single without Brian, Landy's bargaining position was weakened, and it would benefit Brian and his profile to be on the Spanish version (cut at a later date?).
263  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: McCartney! Dylan! Ginsberg! on: January 28, 2014, 01:44:36 AM
Great stuff, thanks for posting Smiley
264  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Just heard \ on: January 27, 2014, 02:05:21 AM
The album starts very strong and ends strong, and has many moments that seem to surpass sheer musical perfection, but there are still a few points where it drags.
265  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Help with Nashville Skyline on: January 26, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
Hey guys, thanks very much for your suggestions and input, I appreciate them all.

I'm a fan of a few of the suggestions already given (you've all clearly got great taste), plus a few others that came to mind after i'd posted, things like Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Willie Nelson, Stanley Brothers, Grateful Dead, Manassas, just to add them to the list of artists in this thread.







266  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Anyone else love the Eels? on: January 20, 2014, 07:54:12 AM
A big fan here. I kind of went off eels around the time of the trilogy, but i bought Wonderful Glorious and i really like it. A good bonus disc too.
267  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Your Bob Dylan top 10 on: January 20, 2014, 07:13:07 AM
top 10 jeffs in chronological order:

Bringing It All Back Home
Highway 61 Revisited
Blonde on Blonde
Basement Tapes
John Wesley Harding
New Morning
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid ST
Blood on the Tracks
Street Legal
Time out of Mind


Special Mentions for Bootleg Series 4, 8 and 10
268  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Help with Nashville Skyline on: January 15, 2014, 02:46:17 PM
I'm going through a Dylan phase at the moment and i'm loving Nashville Skyline more than ever before. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight from John Wesley Harding and (Another) Self Portrait are probably as close as Dylan got again to that sound.

Can anyone recommend any other non-Dylan albums that have a similar sound/style? What kind of musical influences went into the songwriting and production?

p.s. I have all of Mike Nesmith's solo stuff from this era, as well as Byrds/Burritos/Gram Parsons.
269  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Recycling on: January 08, 2014, 04:14:53 AM
it all depends.

If it's done well, then i don't mind. If not, then yes.

A good song is a good song.
270  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Animal Collective on: January 07, 2014, 01:37:02 AM
The Beatles' spirit of joy and enthusiasm and adventure is alive in AC.

I love AC, Sung Tongs is my favourite, with MPP a close second, but everything they've put out is worth my time, and there are gems scattered on it all, from something like the People EP to the sounds of Transverse Temporal Gyrus. An incredible band.

As for solo stuff, i haven't heard it all. Panda Bear's Person Pitch bested Avey Tare's Pullhair Rubeye, but in round two (if you will), Avey's Down There is better than Tomboy.

I've heard online snippets of some of Panda Bear's new stuff and it sounds incredible, elements of Beach Boys and Daft Punk, hip hop beats. Can't wait.
271  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Landy's credit removal from BB songs on: January 06, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
I'd been under the impression that Landy's name was removed from the song credits because there was a legally murky issue over whether a doctor can financially benefit from a business relationship with their patient, especially when it's a patient with mental health issues.

I thought i'd read that somewhere. Anyone else?
272  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Reading on: November 07, 2013, 01:40:59 AM
Kerouac is one of my favourite writers, who mostly all seem to be white american males.

Along with Thomas Pynchon, David Foster Wallace, Philip Roth, Cormac McCarthy, William Gaddis and William Gass.

My shelves are groaning under the weight.

I'm currently reading Light Years by James Salter.
273  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Reading on: November 06, 2013, 02:47:33 PM
I read a lot of fiction. I read Grisham when i was a teenager. Never read Danielle Steel, never heard of Luanne Rice, but i've read more than half of Philip Roth's work, i'd say close to 20 of his 30 books. Are you a fan?
274  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Health Care on: November 01, 2013, 03:26:29 PM

I"m not sure why you're quoting my post and linking to this article. This article is disingenuous in the extreme and, to me, reads more like satire than journalism.
275  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Health Care on: November 01, 2013, 03:21:41 PM
See, that's the lefties and their idea of "personal responsibility" - having others pay for their lack of personal responsibility.

I'm not sure if i'm a "lefty" under attack here (i'm not "left" or "right" btw), but in case i am, or if my post is under attack, i have no lack of personal responsibility. I work hard for a below-average salary. Money, beyond a certain minimum level, just isn't that important to me. I enjoy my job, i work hard, i support my family, and thank foda i don't have to worry about putting a price on my health, because that's covered by the NHS. One less thing to worry about in life, and i can concentrate on more important things than money Smiley
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