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51  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / EP of Brian Wilson covers on: May 27, 2016, 06:53:58 AM
Hey guys! Iv'e recently completed a mini EP of Brian Wilson covers and would love to have some feedback! Enjoy! Cool Guy

http://twinpear.bandcamp.com/releases
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / '73-'75 sessions box set on: May 09, 2016, 07:14:04 AM
To me, besides the SMiLE period, it's the most fascinating and obscure period of the whole Beach Boys' history. They should really think about releasing a box set of those "lost years" of demos and unheard songs! And while we're at it, include an extra "Beachago" live album! Cool Guy

The lineup could include:

(Heard of boots, etc.)

Had To Phone Ya
My Love Lives On
Ding Dang
String Bass Song (Rainbows)
10,000 Years
Good Timin'
Holy Man
It's OK
Barnyard Blues
Battle Hymn Of The Republic
Rollin' Up To Heaven
Child Of Winter
California Feelin
Lucy Jones
River Song
Pacific Ocean Blue
Back Home
Carl's Song (=Angel Come Home)
Mike's Song (=Everyone's In Love With You)
In The Back Of My Mind (1975 version)

(Unheard stuff)

Dr Tom
Baby, I Need Your Lovin'/I'm A Man
Clangin'
Canyon Summer
Pattycake
Just An Imitation
Why Don't You Try Me ?
untitled Carl demo
Carl guitar demo
Carl moog demo
Earthquake Time
Honeycomb
Don't Let Me Go
You're Riding High On The Music
Our Life, Our Love, Our Land
Slow Blues (Dennis)
Come Go With Me
Don't Want Much, Just A Country Or Two, Maybe A Planet Before It's Through (Dennis)
Grateful Are We For Little Children
Helen Keller (Dennis)
Marble Sittin' On A Kitchen Table (Dennis)
Come To The Sunshine
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Denny/Brian's issues and the band's late '70s/early '80s tragectory on: February 19, 2016, 08:27:39 AM
If anyone wants to check out what could have happened if by the mid 70s The Beach Boys ditched the oldies and continued with releasing originals albums in the style of Holland/Surf's Up through the 70s and early 80s, check out my alternate tracklists in the alternate discography thread. I really put a lot of time and effort into making 15 Big Ones/M.I.U/L.A./Keepin' The Summer Alive to fit into more serious sounding and unified LPs. Cheers! Wink
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Poops/Hubba Hubba reconstruction on: February 19, 2016, 08:21:49 AM
AGD, thanks for you input on Ecology. As I mentioned in the first post, this is just an fan mix with what's available and not what could have come out in 1972. Enjoy with headphones on!  Cool Guy
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Poops/Hubba Hubba reconstruction on: February 16, 2016, 01:15:37 PM
From AGD's Bellagio site :

"Poops/Hubba Hubba
recorded spring 1971-1972
produced by Dennis Wilson & Darryl Dragon
It's a New Day - Behold the Night - Ecology - Baby Baby - Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again - Old Movie - Slow Song - Make It Good - Barbara
(track sequence not known)
 
   Despite his lack of material on Surf's Up (reportedly due to a falling out with Carl over sequencing), it's undeniable that in the early seventies, Dennis was the major creative force of The Beach Boys, and equally hardly surprising that he gave serious thought to forging a solo career, to which end he worked intensively in Brian's home studio with the pre-Captain & Tennille Darryl Dragon and band engineer Steve Desper. The results of theses sessions were a precursor to his only released solo album five years hence, richly textured soundscapes imbued with considerable passion. Although the sessions continued into early 1972, the fate of the album was effectively sealed when he offered "Make It Good" and "Old Movie" (a Surf's Up outtake reworked as "Cuddle Up"... and also as "4th of July": apparently "Old Movie" was a catch-all title used by Dennis back then) to round out Carl And The Passions - So Tough - where they naturally stuck out like a pair of sore thumbs ! (A demo of "Barbara" was released in 1998 on Endless Harmony). Some further points - the title(s) of the album were tentative, the Beach Boys reportedly played "Baby, Baby" during their 1972 fall tour, "It's A New Day", a collaboration with Stanley Shapiro, was recorded (at Sunset, with a Blondie Chaplin lead) for possible use in a hair grooming product promo, upon which The Beach Boys expressed an interest in cutting it. However their version was never completed, foundering in a legal morass.  "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again", another magnificent Wilson/Shapiro opus, was another Surf's Up outtake (and ws slated to be included on the proposed DVD-A of the album). One final interesting observation from Steve Desper: not only does he contend that "90% of [the album] was 90% done", but that a lot of Pacific Ocean Blue had its origin in these sessions. Hmmmmmm…"

****

This for me is still one of the few still unreleased ''holy grails'' of The Beach Boy's recording history. Dennis was really stretching forward from 1969 on, and that first unreleased solo album could have found critical (if not popular) acclaim. Think of this marketed as a Nick Drake/Scott Walker/Bill Fay kind of album (singer-songwriter w/ orchestra backing). It could have been one of the greats from the 70s. But they are still unreleased sessions, so 'until then we don't have a clear picture of what the album could have been (except those 2 tracks on Carl & The Passions).

So I tried to come up with an alternative album featuring what is available officially and/or via boots. I followed the vibe/mood of Pacific Ocean Blue"s tracklisting to make it seem like a complete album. I even kept the hilarious original title! Wink
(PM for the whole deal!)

https://youtu.be/YzmJG_mt7r4

Side A

01 It's a New Day - Would have been a great opener and the female vocals recall what will later be River Song. We only have the Blondie Chaplin version though (still, great vocal!).

02 Baby Baby - replaced by California Slide - This was to be an oldies-like rocker in the vein of ''What's Wrong''. The Beach Boys played it once (I think) during their 1972 tour. For replacement, I used California Slide (Im' Goin' Your Way) 'cause it's just a good rocker from that period. It could be replace by ''Sea Cruise'' but we've only got the 15 Big Ones recording and Dennis' voice had changed a lot then. Love that guitar/drum outro. Very Neil Young-like.

03 Behold the Night - replaced by Lady - My theory the original "Behold the Night" became ''Moonshine'' for POB. Thus, a ballad is required here. I used the alternate mix from Summer Love Songs.

04 Slow Song - (Iv'e Got A Friend) - Followed by another ''Slow Song'', which could have been ''Iv'e Got a Friend'' (or not). Recorded Live at Circus Krone, Munich, Germany / May 9, 1972. There is a backing track out there, but this crude live recording is all we have for the moment.

05 Ecology (excerpts) - Thanks to uploader Youtube uploader videojpp for his mix of the different sections. Great way to close Side 1 with this epic instrumental.


Side B

06 Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again - from MIC. Kicks off side 2 with force, much like ''Time'' did on POB.

07 Sound Of Free - not on original tracklist but could have fit - has the same pop quality as did ''You and I'' had following ''Time'' on POB.
From MIC in fake stereo.

08 Barbara - First of what id' like to call the ''Old Movie'' trilogy - each song seem to be similar thematically and musically.
From Endless Harmony demo.

09 Make It Good - From Carl & The Passions

10 Old Movie (Cuddle Up) - The alternate 45 mix w/ added strings and choir.




56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Show us your own Beach Boys album cover designs! on: February 09, 2016, 11:47:17 AM
Reverberation, Landlocked and L.A. are not mine, just wanted a continuous "alternate discography" gallery! I still need to work on that 1977 Christmas album and 15 Big Rock N' Roll Ones. Cool Guy




















57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alternate Discography on: February 08, 2016, 07:54:12 AM
jiggy22: I really like your Wild Honey and Reverberation lineup! I think i'll revise both album in the near future. Cool Guy

Iv'e revised my alt M.I.U/L.A albums and added my version of the TWGMTR:

1978 - WINDS OF CHANGE (Man, this was a challenge to turn into an album full of good material)

1. She's Got Rhythm
2. He's A Bum
3. It Could Be Anything (Where We Are)
4. Pitter Patter (alt mix w/ sound fx)
5. Viggie (First Love mix)
6. 10 000 Years (instrumental)

7. Matchpoint Of Our Love
8. Love Remembers Me
9. Go And Get That Girl
10. My Diane
11. Our Team
12. Winds Of Change (alt. mix w/ Charles Lloyd)
(hidden track) Drip Drop

1979 - L.A. (For once, I think the album works a lot better without almost any of Brian's output from this era)

1. It's A Beautiful  Day (Ten Years of Harmony mix)
2. Constant Companion (alt. mix)
3. Full Sail
4. Love Surrounds Me
5. Looking Down The Coast/Song Of The Whale
6. Santa Ana Winds (early mix)

7. Lady Lynda
8. Sumahama
9. Baby Blue
10. Goin' South
11. Mexico (instrumental)

2012- SUMMER'S GONE

1. Thinkin' About The Days
2. That's Why God Made The Radio
3. Don't Fight The Sea
4. You're Still A Mystery
5. Waves Of Love
6. Soul Searchin'

(Life Suite)

7. This Beautiful Day
8. Im' Feeling Sad
9. Strange World
10. Whatever Happened
11. From There to Back Again
12. Pacific Coast Highway
13. Summer's Gone
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alternate Discography on: February 04, 2016, 08:49:37 AM
It's been a pet project of mine to restructure the complete 70s output of The Beach Boys. So here's mine:

ALTERNATE DISCOGRAPHY (1967-1982)

SMiLE (1967)


1. Prayer/Heroes & Villians
2. Do You Like Worms
3. Im' In Great Shape (The Barnyard Suite)
4. Vega-Tables
5. The Old Master Painter
6. Cabin Essence

7. Good Vibrations
8. Wind Chimes
9. The Elements
10. Wonderful
11. Child Is Father Of The Man
12. Surf's Up/Prayer (reprise)

Wild Honey (1967)

1. Wild Honey
2. Aren't You Glad
3. I Was Made To Love Her
4. The Letter
5. Country Air
6. A Thing Or Two
7. Lonely Days
8. Time To Get Alone

9. Darlin'
10. With A Little Help From My Friends
11. I'd Love Just Once to See You
12. Here Comes The Night
13. Let The Wind Blow
14. Cool, Cool Water
15. Can't Wait Too Long

Lei'd In Hawaii (1967)

1. The Letter
2. Hawaii
3. You're So Good To Me
4. Surfer Girl
5. Surfin'
6. Gettin' Hungry
7. California Girls

8. Wouldn't It Be Nice
9. Heroes & Villians
10. God Only Knows
11. Good Vibrations
12. Barbara Ann

Friends - as is (1968)

Reverberation (1969)


1. Do It Again
2. I Can Hear Music
3. We're Together Again
4. Be With Me
5. All I Want to Do
6. The Nearest Faraway Place

7. Break Away
8. Never Learn Not To To Love
9. I Went To Sleep
10. A Time To Live In Dreams
11. Celebrate the News
12. Old Man River

The Fading Group Revival (1970)

1. Loop de Loop
2. Sound Of Free
3. San Miguel
4. H.E.L.P Is On The Way
5. Carnival
6. Take Good Care Of Your Feet, Pete
7. I Just Got My Pay

8. Cotton Fields (45 version)
9. Big Sur (4/4 version)
10. Fallin' In Love
11. When Girls Get Together (instrumental)
12. Games Two Can Play
13. Soulful Old Man Sunshine

Sunflower - as is/but ''Where Is She'' replacing Cool, Cool Water (1970)

Landlocked (1971)


1. Don't Go Near The Water
2. Long Promised Road
3. Fourth Of July
4. Disney Girls (1957)
5. Student Demonstration Time (yeah, I like it, sue me!)

6. Feel Flows
7. Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
8. A Day in the Life of a Tree
9. ' Til I Die (Desper mix)
10. Wouldn't it be nice (To Live Again)

Carl & The Passions/Holland - as is (1972-1973)

The Golden State (1974) (the last album w/ Blondie & Ricky)


1. River Song
2. Hard Times
3. Out In The Country
4. Sweet & Bitter
5. Carry Me Home

6. It's A New Day
7. We Got Love
8. Iv'e Got A Friend
9. Sweet Mountain
10. Holy Man

Christmas single  (1974)
Child of Winter B/w Lucy Jones

California Feelin'  (1975)


1. Good Timin'
2. Susie Cincinnati
3. Had To Phone Ya
4. Rainbows
5. Everyone's In Love With You
6. My Love Lives On
7. Rollin' Up To Heaven

8. It's Ok
9. Barnyard Blues
10. Angel Come Home
11. Pacific Ocean Blues
12. Back Home
13. California Feelin'

15 Big Ones (1976)

1. Rock N' Roll Music
2. Come Go With Me
3. Ruby Baby
4. Chapel Of Love
5. Running Bear
6. Talk To Me
7. Sea Cruise
8. Mony, Mony

9. Palisades Park
10. Peggy Sue
11. A Casual Look
12. Blueberry Hill
13. Shake, Rattle And Roll
14. In The Still Of The Night
15. Just Once In My Life

Brian Loves You (1977) - as is but released as a Brian Wilson solo album

Adult/Child (1977) -  released as a Brian Wilson solo album


1. New England Waltz/Life Is For The Living
2. Hey Little Tomboy
3. Deep Purple
4. Marilyn Rovell
5. Lazy Lizzie
6. It's Over Now
7. Everybody Wants To Live

8. Shortenin' Bread
9. Lines
10. On Broadway
11. Sherry She Needs Me
12. It's Trying To Say
13. You've Lost That Loving Feeling
14. Still I Dream Of It

Pacific Ocean Blues (1977) as Is but ''Rainbows'' and ''Pacific Ocean Blues'' are replaced with ''Only With You'' and ''Tug Of Love''

Merry Christmas From The Beach Boys (1977)


1. Christmas Time is Here
2. Child of Winter (Christmas Song)
3. Winter Symphony
4. Michael Row the Boat Ashore
5. Santa's On His Way
6. Bells Of Christmas

7. Morning Christmas
8. Alone on Christmas Day
9. Santa's Got An Airplane
10. Kona Christmas
11. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa
12. Xmas Carol Medley

(Dennis' 2nd solo album ''Bambu'' is scrapped and tracks are used on the next Beach Boys' albums)

Winds Of Change (1978)


1. She's Got Rhythm
2. He's a Bum
3. Where We Are
4. Pitter Patter (early mix w/ rain sfx)
5. Viggie (First Love version)
6. Mexico (instrumental)

7. Go And Get That Girl
8. Love Remembers Me
9. My Diane
10. Matchpoint Of Our Love
11. Our Team
12. Winds Of Change (early mix w/ flutes)

L.A. (1979)

1. It's a Beautiful Day (in L.A.)
2. Constant Companion
3. Full Sail
4. Don't Fight the Sea
5. Looking Down the Coast/Song of the Whale
6. Santa Ana Winds (1978 mix)

7. Country Pie
8. Baby Blue
9. Daybreak (First Love version)
10. Love Surrounds Me
11. Goin' South
12. It's Like Heaven

Endless Harmony (1982) - comeback and very last album as they break up after Dennis' death.

1. Goin' On (with alternate version kickdrum solo as intro)
2. Oh Darlin' (Brian lead)
3. School Girl
4. Livin' With A Heartache
5. I Don't Wanna Know (First Love version)
6. It's Not Too Late

7. Stevie
8. Under The Moonlight
9. Heaven
10. Wild Situation
11. Oh Lord
12. Endless Harmony
59  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Any MPB fans here? on: February 01, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
Thanks for the suggestions!

krabklaw - Yes Valle is really great. I only have ''Garra''. Which other album of his would you recommend?
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Morricone/Brian connection on: January 29, 2016, 11:59:45 AM
Im' sure this has been mentioned here before, but do you think the maestro listened to ''Cabinessence'' on 20/20 before going to work on the soundtrack to Sergio Leone's ''Giù La Testa''?
Or is it just that both of my idols have the same kind of musical sensibility?!

Ennio Morricone - I figli morti - Originale - Giù La Testa (1971)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yao9ucvhhmY
61  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Any MPB fans here? on: January 29, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
Lately, iv'e been starting to listen to a lot of Música Popular Brasileira (MPB). Any other fan of this genre/era and if so, do you have any recommendations?

These I really like:

Edu Lôbo - Gloria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tSh1nkSe1E

Caetano Veloso - Triste Bahia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2L70ZfVTI

And of course, this:
Clube da Esquina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frq70agiADY

62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The album formerly known as ''Dumb Angel'' - The May 1967 mono (re)mix on: January 25, 2016, 06:04:43 AM
Thanks c-man and The Old Master Painter!

c-man: Yeah I know chronologically there are bits that were recorded after May 1967 that's why my mix is an ''imaginary'' remix where Brian recorded these bits instead of working on I Love To Say Da-Da (which would become Cool Cool Water for their next album).

OMP: I really dig your newer mix too that you've put on vimeo. I really like your H&V sequence and the way the little skits from Psychedelic Sounds are integrated into the songs.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The album formerly known as ''Dumb Angel'' - The May 1967 mono (re)mix on: January 24, 2016, 06:35:06 AM
This particular mix I tried to assemble as a 1967 album circa May- in a world where work would NOT continue on I Love To Say Da-Da and Brian would just finish the damn thing! The goal was to have all the songs listed on the 12-track late december version of the LP (with 2 sides/movements) mixed with full vocals and little bits of the skits from the Psychedelic Sounds. Some of the arrangements follows the 2004 arrangements but as ''banded'' tracks instead of segues. Holidays was left off as the ''Trombone Dixie'' from the album.

Look! Listen! Vibrate! SMiLE! Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGOfuHlybA&feature=youtu.be
http://www59.zippyshare.com/v/Mu0LN1EP/file.html


Side One (Americana) (19:45)

01 Prayer/Heroes & Villians (Cantina version with mixes from the acetates ''Early Version Outtakes Sessions''/Prelude to Fade/Sunny Down Snuff/Bicycle Rider outro)
02 Do You Like Worms (soniclovenoize's mix w/ vocals from ''happyroom'' fan mix)
03 Im' In Great Shape (aka The Barnyard Suite) (Barnyard + vocals from SMILE A.D/Great Shape=Smile Sessions/I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night from SMILE A.D)
04 Vega-Tables (Smile Sessions + vocals from Smiley Smile Japanese Remaster)
05 The Old Master Painter (Smile Sessions)
06 Cabin Essence (Smile Sessions)

Side Two (Life) (21:55)

07 Good Vibrations (Smiley Smile Japanese Remaster)
08 Wind Chimes (GV Boxset + Psychedelic Sounds)
09 The Elements (Earth: Smile Sessions + royalty-free sound fx/Fire: SOT 17 + vocals from SMILE A.D/Water: soniclovenoize's mix + Psychedelic Sounds (including the vintage 1966 water sounds!)/Air: Smiley Smile Japanese Remaster+ Psychedelic Sounds+royalty-free sound fx)
10 Wonderful/Look (Smile Sessions+happy room)
11 Child Is Father Of The Man (Smile Sessions+Smile A.D+The Smile Project+happyroom+krabklaw)
12 Surf's Up/Prayer (reprise) (Smile Sessions+bruiteur+Psychedelic Sounds)

bonus track:
Heroes & Villains Part Two (b-side) (Smile Sessions)

Comments and suggestions are always welcomed!

All thanks to these guys for making this possible:
seltaeb1012002, soniclovenoize, happyroom, krabklaw, The Old Master Painter, The Holy Bee, Chris from The Smile Project and
bruiteur.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains on: January 13, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
 
The theory I've always subscribed to--I think guitarfool posted it--was that Brain finished what he thought was "Heroes and Villains" as the Cantina version on 2/10/67.  He then went back into the studio to record new segments five days later: Prelude To fade, Piano Theme, the "HV Pt2 Variations" (Gee, Part 2 Revised, Sedish Frog, Part 3 and Part 4).  He then returned to the studio again 7 days later and cut a new Verse, a new Chorus (gutted from DYLW) a new Fade and even a new Intro, all as a new master number.

So the theory goes that all the things recorded in between Brian thinking Heroes and Villains was finished on 2/10 and thinking he should scrap it all and start from scratch on 2/27 was destined for the b-side of the single, Heroes and Villains Part 2 (using the same master number).  That would apparently be all the "HV Pt2 Variations", and possibly Prelude to Fade and Piano Ballad somehow worked in (or not). 

And as said before, there was a reel of those pieces collected together with Gee and Part 2 Revised edited together so that the diminished chord was extracted from the end of Gee and connected to a handclap from Part 2 Revised, and Swedish Frog totally gone.  Linette replicated that on the box (if it isn't literally Wilson's test edit) on d4t24 on TSS, from 2:07-4:02.  It's uncertain if all the diminished chords would have been extracted, but imo that 2-minute piece is the closest we have to what Brian may have intended H&V Part 2 as. 


How about this, just by looking at the dates without thinking of the master numbers: maybe Brian started working on both pt 1 & 2 on the same master then, as soniclovenoize points out, he then changes his mind and restart the song from scratch from February 27 (now using ''the bicycle rider theme'' as chorus of the song) and works on this version until it becomes the official 45 version...

-By February 10th, we have the cantina mix with the OMP fade (overdubs made on the 10th)
-By February 15th and 16th (approximately), Brian records a ''prelude to fade'' and the bicycle rider theme on piano
-Then, on February 20th, we have all the various chants variations featuring many references to the album's songs.
 
By working out with both the ''early version'' mix acetate (d4t24 on TSS) and the original ''cantina'' mix, here's what I came up with what could have been released as a 2-parter single:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCzTHJqaipg&feature=youtu.be

It's almost 7 minutes long, not 6, but reports of a 6 minute version from Michael Vosse told that it was ''never completed, but at least I could see the form of it, was an A side B side version lasting about six minute."

65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains on: January 12, 2016, 08:00:02 AM
I agree with the idea of side A being the single and self-contained.
As for pt 2, but the more I listen to the part 2 vocals variations, the more I hear this so-called ''sampler'' of the album.
Just listen to the music underneath the different sections:

Gee/HV variation 1- Im' In Great Shape 
HV var 2 - Cabin Essence (Who Ran The Iron Horse)
HV var 3 - Vega-Tables (Fade)
HV var 4 - Wind Chimes
Fade - The Old Master Painter
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains on: January 11, 2016, 02:38:21 PM
My most recent mix of the 2 part single goes like this (maybe not historically accurate but it sounds good to me!)

HV pt 1: Cantina mix until tape explosion/Sunny Down Snuff/HV Chorus (bicyle rider) fade (3:08)

HV pt 2 (with HV variations from The Smile Sessions ''Heroes and Villains: Early Version Outtake Sessions''): Gee/HV variation 1/HV variation 2/HV variation 3/HV variation 4/Bridge to Indians+ Pickup to 3rd verse/Flutter horn/False barnyard remake w/ Carl vocal (3:51)
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE mix...for the fun of it on: January 09, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Anybody had time to listen to my mix yet? I want to know what you guys think of my versions of H&V, CFOTM and THE ELEMENTS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZAsDfmsKM&feature=youtu.be

Mujan, I completely agree with you on this:

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I definitely think sequencing is a lost cause. There was no official sequence order, but I do strongly believe there were groupings--as in, they knew which sides each song would fit on. Just put all the bombastic Americana songs on one side (Heroes, Worms, CE, OMP, IIGS, Veggies) and the more somber, piano/harpsichord and horn heavy life tracks on the other.
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Now, to know how each song would have received its final mix, it's the ultimate riddle. That's why iv'e stopped trying to figure out how Brian would have done it and instead focused on how, personally, I would liked this album to sound like. Similar to when you're reading a good novel and the interpreted images pops up in your mind. Artists have a tendency to change their minds all the time about their art. So hence, there could be no final 1967 SMiLE album produced by Brian Wilson, since he could not finish it back then. What we have, is the plan for a 12 tracks album release featuring two ''movements''. As for the arrangements of each of theses songs, it's up to anyone's guesses, really.


68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE mix...for the fun of it on: January 08, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
Ok, hope this works!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZAsDfmsKM&feature=youtu.be
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE mix...for the fun of it on: January 08, 2016, 01:22:30 PM
Here's my latest iteration that blend the 12 track format mixed with some arrangements from the 2004 version and incorporating some of the Psychedelic Sounds, all in glorious mono. I really have to say that im' proud of this mix but it's really my personal interpretation of how the songs of SMiLE would have sounded like if released around May 1967, not like what Brian Wilson would have done back then. Some liberties were taken, but the main goal was to have 12 strong "complete" songs with full vocals. For example, maybe a track like The Elements in its original state doesn't really exist, but this version would have been a great track. So, without any further boringness,

Enjoy! (with headphones, in the dark, please) Cool Guy

Side A (American Gothic Trip)

01 Prayer/Heroes & Villians Pt 1  - Cantina version 'til tape explosion/Sunny Down Snuff/Heroes 45 chorus Smile Sessions version)
02 Do You Like Worms - mix of different edits: seltaeb1012002, soniclovenoize, happyroom
03 Im' In Great Shape (The Barnyard Suite- the farming/health theme continues in Vega-Tables) - as in soniclovenoize's version: Barnyard/Im' In Great Shape/I Wanna Be Around(seltaeb1012002 mix)/Friday Night (w\ Smog from Psychedelic Sounds)
04 Vega-Tables - mix from The Smile Sessions with added coda from Smiley Smile + Vegetables promo from The Smile Sessions
05 The Old Master Painter - Intro and mix from The Smile Sessions
06 Cabin Essence - The Smile Sessions mix

Side B (Cycle of Life)

07 Good Vibrations - 45 mix version from Smiley Smile Japanese remaster
08 Wind Chimes - 30 years of Good Vibrations mix+Smile Sessions
09 The Elements -  San Francisco 1906 Earthquake (H& V Intro with sound fx + Who Ran The Iron Horse chant from Vocals Montage featured on The Smile Sessions) /Mrs. O' Leary's Cow (w/crackling fire Brian Wilson mono mix+Fall Breaks chant)/I Love To Say Da-Da (30 Years of GV Box + sound sfx + Psychedelic Sounds) - Whispering Winds (Smiley Smile version + sound fx)
10 Wonderful/Look -  - The Smile Sessions + mix from happyroom
11 Child Is Father Of The Man - mix of different edits: seltaeb1012002, soniclovenoize, happyroom, the old master painter, Chris from The Smile Project
12 Surf's Up/Prayer (reprise) - mix of different edits: The Smile Sessions, bruiteur mix, Psychedelic Sounds.

bonus:
Heroes & Villians Pt 2 (b-side to the single) - based on the medley from the acetates mixes on The Smile Sessions that goes Gee/Heroes & Villains (fast variation 1)/Heroes & Villains (fast variation 2) then it goes into Heroes & Villains (slow variation 3)/Bridge to indians and country and western theme/flutterhorn/Fade remake with Carl on vocals (Smile Sessions)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZAsDfmsKM&feature=youtu.be
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Christmas gift to smiley-smilers on: December 23, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
It's pretty much a compilation made from bootleg and official releases to make a brand new double ''album'', so if that qualifies as bootleg, whatever i'll remove the thread.

I just wanted to share BW's best music since Love You with you all in a brand new fashion.

Happy holidays anyway!
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / A Christmas gift to smiley-smilers on: December 22, 2015, 09:29:54 PM
Here's a little gift to you beachheads:

I made a compilation of the Wilson/Paley sessions using the best sources possible, changing speed for certain tracks. Also, because of the huge number of tracks (and not just quantity, quality too!) and a complete reordering of the tracks into a double album: one rock album and one ballad album. I unfortunately left out Dancin' The Night Away and Everything I Need because they have incomplete vocals.

Anyway, it would have made a wicked double album back in '96! I won't go into intensive liner notes and just let the music speaks for itself.
Here's the tracklist:

Disc 1 Rock Album

01 Soul Searchin' (feat. The Beach Boys)
02 Chain Reaction Of Love
03 My Mary Anne
04 Marketplace
05 Desert Drive
06 Im' Broke
07 Proud Mary
08 Saturday Morning In The City
09 Goin' Home
10 God Did It
11 Elbow '63
12 Slightly American Music

Disc 2 Ballad Album

01 This Isn't Love
02 You're Still A Mystery (feat. The Beach Boys)
03 This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight
04 Must Be A Miracle
05 Where Has Love Been
06 It's Not Easy Being Me
07 What Rock N' Roll Can Do
08 Frankie Avalon
09 Sweets For My Sweet
10 Some Sweet Day
11 This Could Be The Night
12 Gettin' In Over My Head
13 In My Moondreams

Enjoy and Merry Christmas to all here! Smiley

Also, the best Promethean Melodies to everyone who'd like to lend an ear.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The M.I.U. Album on: December 06, 2015, 07:22:47 AM
A disaster of an album. The covers should belong with the other ones on 15 big ones. Some of the originals (Kona Coast, Wontcha Come, Sweet Sunday,) have awesome vocals but unfortunately, they are stuck inside bland arrangements. Tomboy was better in its original version on Brian's Adult/Child album. Pitter Patter, My Diane and Match Point are the only saving grace on this album for me, which get a full 2/5. The closing song, Winds of Change, is really syrupy but it is kind of a guilty pleasure. The alternate mix where Charles LLoyd's flutes are upfront is miles better.

This is how I would have done this LP back in the day (when it was still called "Winds of Change") with all the best compositions from this era from each band member:

01 She's Got Rhythm
02 He's A Bum
03 Where We Are/It Could Be Anything
04 Pitter Patter (alt. mix w/ sound fx)
05 Viggie
06 Tug of Love/Feel the Pull

07 Goin' And Get That Girl
08 Love Remember Me
09 My Diane
10 Match Point Of Our Love
11 Our Team
12 Winds Of Change (alt. mix with flutes)

then a few seconds of silence before the hidden track...

Drip Drop/Teardrops On My Bed (Let's go mofos*!)






73  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Paint America Love on: December 05, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
Anybody else likes this album? To me it's really an amazing pop-rock record with nice Sunflower/Surf's Up-era Beach Boys-esque touches. Awesome falsetto too from mr. Christie and the whole album has a very nice, 70s Americana feel in its concept. Highly recommended, folks! Cool Guy

Here's the first track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0XJW3jQeuE
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New (?!) theory about SMiLE: actual symphony form? on: December 03, 2015, 05:35:14 PM
Okay...just to restate my case...we know the album in 1967 was going to be 12 tracks (all press at the time mentions it and we already have a pretty idea of what those 12 tracks were on the back cover. Even if Brian today doesn't remember the list, there's too much evidence (including a testimony from a certain Van Dyke Parks agreeing to this 12-14 tracks format) to acknowledge the album would be structured otherwise.

Then, we have this BW Earcandy interview from 2004: http://www.earcandymag.com/brianwilson-2004.htm

"E.C.: Also in "Beautiful Dreamer" you said - "We touched up the first two movements and we created a third movement. Now we have a rock opera - a three movement rock opera." Did you originally think of SMiLE as a "rock opera" or was that a recent…

Brian Wilson: We thought of it as 2-movement rock opera. Then we added a third then we called it a 3-movement rock opera."


We don't know if we can take this for cold-hard fact, but it's pretty much the only contemporary interview where Brian talks about the original structure of the album...

Two movements. Two sides. 12 tracks. A Teenage "Symophony" to God. I just tried to connect the dots. With all due respect, Mujan, please don't think you have the final truth on everything SMiLE... nobody does.
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / New (?!) theory about SMiLE: actual symphony form? on: December 01, 2015, 08:34:05 AM
As anybody ever tried this? Brian talked about SMiLE being his "Teenage Symphony To God" in two movements (in 1967, contained within 12 tracks), but did he really wanted to produce a pop-rock symphony that followed the exact structure of a symphony?

I poked my nose around this summary by David Pogue and Scott Speck from Classical Music For Dummies, 2nd Edition and here's what I came up with :

Classical Music: The Movements of a Symphony

"The parts (or movements) of a symphony are usually free standing, with one movement ending, a pause, and then the next movement beginning. But the sections, conceived as parts of a whole, somehow relate to one another. The German word for movement is Satz, which means “sentence.” The four movements of a symphony fit together like the four sentences in this paragraph.With rare exceptions, the four movements of a symphony conform to a standardized pattern. The first movement is brisk and lively; the second is slower and more lyrical; the third is a boisterous scherzo (“joke”); and the fourth is a rollicking finale."


Let's say that Brian followed the structure by having side 1 being the Sonata and side 2 being the 2nd, 3rd movement and finale (here being regrouped as "The 2nd movement").

Side A: Americana Sonata (Sonata form)

"A movement in sonata form has two musical themes (or melodies). The first is usually loud and forceful; the second is quiet and lyrical. These themes are often referred to as the masculine and the feminine melodies."    

Could be both "Bicyle Rider" (female) and "Heroes & Villains fade (male)?

(from Wikipedia)
The Introduction section is optional, or may be reduced to a minimum. If it is extended, it is, in general, slower than the main section, and frequently focuses on the dominant key. It may or may not contain material that is later stated in the exposition. The introduction increases the weight of the movement, and also permits the composer to begin the exposition with a theme that would be too light to start on its own, as in Haydn's Symphony No. 103 ("The Drumroll") and Beethoven's Quintet for Piano and Winds Op. 16. The introduction usually is not included in the exposition repeat.


Starting with Our Prayer and Heroes & Villains (part 1 & 2 - the original 6 min version)

"At the very beginning of the movement, you hear the strong first theme; then, after a brief bit of interesting activity in the harmony department, the softer second theme comes in. This whole section’s purpose in life is to introduce, or expose, the two melodies; therefore, musicians call this part of the first movement the exposition."

Leads to Do You Like Worms

"Then comes a new section. Here the composer develops the two themes, varying them and making interesting musical associations. Logically enough, this section is called the development section."

then Im' In Great Shape (The four-part Barnyard suite - following soniclovenoize's reconstruction: Barnyard/Im' In Great Shape/I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night)

"Finally, the main ideas are reintroduced in the same order as at the beginning: first the strong, powerful theme and then the quieter, more lyrical one. The composer restates these themes in a slightly different form, but they’re very recognizable for what they are. This section is called the recapitulation."

The Old Master Painter (Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine/Heroes & Villains fade re-record with Carl)

(from Wikipedia)
"The Coda is optional. After the final cadence of the recapitulation, the movement may continue with a coda which will contain material from the movement proper. Codas, when present, vary considerably in length, but like introductions are not part of the "argument" of the work. The coda will end, however, with a perfect authentic cadence in the original key. Codas may be quite brief tailpieces, or they may be very long and elaborate. An example of the more extended type is the coda to the first movement of Beethoven's Eroica Symphony.


and finally, Cabin Essence

Recap
(First movement: brisk and lively)

Introduction
PRAYER/HEROES & VILLAINS PT 1 & 2
Exposition
DO YOU LIKE WORMS/I
Development
IM' IN GREAT SHAPE
Recapitulation
THE OLD MASTER PAINTER
Coda
CABIN ESSENCE


Side B: Life Suite (incorporation Second & Third movement and Finale)

(Second movement: slow and lyrical)
"Back to our symphony in progress: After the lively and energetic first movement, it’s time to relax. The second movement is usually slow and lyrical, with a lilting, songlike theme. No battle-of-the-sexes melody thing goes on here, and the structure can be looser than in the first movement. Sit back and drink it in."


Good Vibrations could fit here.

(Third movement: dancy)

"The third movement of a symphony is dancelike — a scherzo (meaning “joke” — a quick, often lighthearted tune). The third movement is usually written in three-quarter time; that is, each bar has three beats. (If you count “ONE-two-three, ONE-two-three,” you’re counting three beats to the bar.)

This third movement usually consists of three sections. First you hear the minuet or scherzo itself. Then comes a contrasting section (often for a smaller group of instruments) called a trio. Finally, the minuet or scherzo section comes back again.
So the entire third movement sounds like this:"


Scherzo:
VEGA-TABLES
Trio:
THE ELEMENTS (took inspiration from The Old Master Painter's version: Mrs. O' Leary's Cow/I Love To Say Da-Da/Whispering Winds)
Scherzo:
WIND CHIMES

Finale: rollicking
"Now on to the rollicking finale. The final movement is usually fast and furious, showing off the virtuosic prowess of the orchestra (...)Very often, this final movement is in rondo form. Yes, this last movement has a substructure of its own."


(from Wikipedia:)
"An explanation of sonata rondo form requires first some preliminary coverage of rondo form and sonata form.

Rondo form involves the repeated use of a theme, set in the tonic key, with episodes, each involving a new theme, intervening among the repetitions, like this: A B A C A D A ...

Sometimes the A section is varied slightly. The episodes (B, C, D, etc.) are normally in a different key from the tonic. A sonata form movement is divided into sections."


RONDO: Wonderful/Child Is Father Of The Man(3 min edit)/Surf's Up/Our Prayer (reprise)

recap

2nd Movement:
Good Vibrations

3rd Movement:

Scherzo:
VEGA-TABLES
Trio:
THE ELEMENTS
Schezo:
WIND CHIMES

Finale/Rondo:
WONDERFUL
CHILD IS FATHER OF THE MAN
SURF'S UP/PRAYER REPRISE


To me, it would seems kinda legit that Brian would do something similar to this back in 1967 but maybe im' just crazy for cocoa puffs... any thoughts?!



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