Was Carl always meant to sing the lead vocal on Cabinessence, even back when it was supposed to be on the 1967 version of SMiLE?

I'm gratified that a thread I started has lasted this long! 

Reportedly, the pivotal moment came during the bv session for "Dancin' The Night Away": there was a disagreement, Carl left the session... and that was it.

Any idea who the disagreement was with?  And what it was over?

Here are a number of them. The two where Brian is heavy and wearing a white shirt is summer 1975. The one where he is wearing a red shirt is spring 75. The Mickey Mouse shirt photo is from early 1972 (he hadn't put on weight yet). The one where he has long hair and a suede jacket is from summer 72. The one where he is drumming is from early 1973.

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MBE,

Could you repost these photos?  The file expired at You Send It.

I didn't stumble upon this thread until today and I'd be very interested in looking at these pictures.

I'd still like to know who's singing "That's why the child, hey hey" on the coda of the 1971 version.  It begins at 3:45 and repeats starting at 3:57.

Desper said it was Brian, but it doesn't sound anything like him.  For a while, I thought it was Jack Reilly!

Brian's doubling of the vocal on the first half of Surf's Up also is out of tune--the high notes are terrible.

Maybe I'm tone deaf--it sounds fine to me!  (Listening to it now, from the box set.)

I just e-mailed you too, Malc!

I think your explanation makes a lot of sense, Roger.  Thanks!

So it's 1971, and the Beach Boys want to include "Surf's Up" on the follow-up to Sunflower.

They want Brian to sing lead, but he refuses.

We know Carl ended up singing the first section over the existing backing track from 1966, and Brian's solo piano performance from 1966 was used for the second section.

But here's my question:

If they wanted to have Brian sing the whole song, why didn't they just use his 1966 solo piano performance for the entire song (since they were using part of it anyway, for the second section) and just create a new instrumental backing track for the first section?  Had they done so, they would have had a completed version of the song with Brian doing all the lead vocals.

All they had to do was what Phil Spector had done with some of the Beatles' "Let it Be" tracks--create new orchestrations for pre-existing performances.

Anyone have insight on this?

On Sunflower, I'd drop "Tears in the Morning" and replace it with "San Miguel."

On Surf's Up, I'd drop "Student Demonstration Time" and "Lookin' at Tomorrow" and replace them with "H.E.L.P. is on the Way" and "I Just Got My Pay."

Thanks for the info, Mr. Boyd!

Always great to get info from someone on the inside!


Glenn

Based on the recommendation of another member of this message board (sorry, I forgot who!), I got my hands on GREATEST HITS VOLUME THREE: BEST OF THE BROTHER YEARS, in order to have the single versions of It's OK and Rock and Roll Music.

My questions are:

1) Who produced the single versions?  Brian is credited for having produced the album versions--did he produce the single versions as well?

2) Why were these alternate versions created at all?  Why weren't the album versions used for the singles? 

3) The single versions actually sound a little BETTER than the versions on the album--how come they weren't used on the album?

Thanks to whoever can answer!


Glenn

The cough also isn't in the original mono mix.  A lot of the little anomalies people hear in the stereo mixes aren't in the mono because Brian took them out in the final mixdown.

Yes it is - when the organ solo is faded down, listen carefully. That's where it is. That's why the organ solo is faded.

But was it removed from the version on the GOOD VIBRATIONS box set?  I've listened to it five times today, both through the headphones and through the speakers turned all the way up, and I could not hear it at all.

I can't hear that cough AT ALL.

Can someone tell me where it is?

It's during the organ solo at 1:19 in.

Thanks.

It's definitely missing from the version on the GOOD VIBRATIONS box set, so I guess the fact that the cough has been removed is actually old news.

My understanding is that on the new stereo version of "Wendy" that's on THE WARMTH OF THE SUN, an audible cough has been removed.

Thing is, I've just been listening to the original mono version, off of the GOOD VIBRATIONS box set, and for the life of me, I can't hear that cough AT ALL.

Can someone tell me where it is?  And is it possible that the cough was removed BEFORE the new compilation?  Maybe the one on the box set is actually missing the cough too?

I have read a lot about how their relationship soured over the years. I am sure many of you have seen this video before, but it seems that Mike and Dennis are enjoying each others company at the moment.

I always thought (based on their body language and facial expressions) that it looked more like Dennis was trying to make Mike feel uncomfortable by walking over to him, putting his arm around him and looking at him like he was deeply in love, and that Mike was thinking something along the lines of "Thousands of people are watching, keep smiling Mike... And let's hope this idiot won't do anything stupid"... It's actually quite an amusing scene if you imagine that that's what's happening... 

Nah--at the very beginning of the clip, you can see Mike good-naturedly rolling his eyes at Dennis, as if to say, "Here we go again with 'Surfer Girl'," and that prompts Dennis to come over to Mike and get all mushy with him.  I think it was a rare moment of fun and camaraderie between them.

I've heard Dennis's version--the one where he says that Carl normally sings it, but he chickened out.

Where and when did he perform it?  And why?  How come Carl didn't do it?

Call me sacreligious, but I'd like to see a "Best of" use a H&V that's basically the single, but with the cantina segment edited in.

Me too--totally!  Someone created a version like that for me in MP3 format, but the sound quality isn't what it would/could be in an official release. 

Also, a Surf's Up featuring the Brian/piano version with the LP instrumental track behind it for section one, and the CIFTTM LP ending too.

Have you ever heard the Anne Wallace version?  It's exactly as you describe, and as close to perfection as we're probably going to get.   Probably my favorite version of the song.  (Sorry, Carl!)

I'll understand if that makes me a pariah on the board.

If it does, you're not the only one!

I understand where you are coming from re: Heroes and Villains.  But the thing for me is that the "made up" stereo single version from Hawthorne, CA sounds so much better.  The 'mud' is greatly diminished, and the sound just opens up.  Some folks like the 'mud', and I respect that, but that Hawthorne version is my favorite Beach Boys version of H&V.  If the song would've been released sounding like that, I think it would have done better than #12.  Just an opinion, natch.

An opinion I agree with fully!

What was the gist of that Tom Nolan article?  I was only 2 when it was published, and I've had a hard time tracking it down.

It was a great article, based around the imminent release of the "Surf's Up" album, and if it helps it was reprinted in it's entirety in 'The Beach Boys Complete' songbook (Wise Publications/Music Sales AM1153D) and I've often seen that appearing on auction sites etc. Just make sure it's the SAME ''Beach Boys Songbook' first ...

I looked for that songbook online, and have not been able to find it.  Can you tell me what's so great about the Tom Nolan article?  What's revealed in it?  AGD refers to the article as "seminal."  What makes it so seminal?

That was Paula Abdul?!

Yep.  On the version I've heard, it's unmistakably her.

What was the gist of that Tom Nolan article?  I was only 2 when it was published, and I've had a hard time tracking it down.

Great news, Mr. Desper!

I'm buying the book this time, for sure!

One question: will there be material from the previous printings that will be removed to make room for the new material?

Never mind!  Please delete.

Most overrated: LOVE YOU

Most underrated: Too many to choose from!  I'll say that the albums that most deserved to be hits but weren't are WILD HONEY, FRIENDS, and SUNFLOWER.