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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: February 17, 2016, 03:16:05 PM
The first person narrative definitely works better. The two Three Dog Night books by Jimmy Greenspoon and Chuck Negron respectively paint a vivid picture of the era, and all the excess. Negron's book is particularly harrowing.
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Awesome New Mike Love Article!! on: February 16, 2016, 03:12:49 PM
Not that any of this matters AT ALL, but it makes me wonder; when Al and Dave did that short post C50 tour with Brian, and then followed with Jeff Beck - does that bother Mike Love?

It shouldn't. If mean, why would it? Regular touring with all the accouterments of a well vested lifestyle, but does it? When I read legal briefs such as the above cited, it makes me think that he's a lot more thin skinned than people give him credit for.

We go to the shows. It's all about the music, right? And it's all good. There's plenty of music for everyone. But it seems as if someone still isn't happy. And it ain't too hard to figure out who.
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Awesome New Mike Love Article!! on: February 16, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
Also, in looking at the original 2005 lawsuit filing, I found one little bit that I've been searching out for a long time. During numerous discussions in the past several years about the touring name license, some have (I believe) contended that Brian never has and never would threaten to take Mike's license away. I always countered that, according to Mike's lawsuit filing, in at least one case Brian allegedly *did* threaten just that. So I finally found the section of the lawsuit that makes this contention, with my bolded/yellow emphasis:

116. Defendants intentionally engaged in the aforesaid acts or conduct relating to the promotion of the Smile CD and the giveaway of the Good Vibrations CD, which prevented plaintiff from performing his contract with BRI to use The Beach Boys trademark or that caused performance under the contract to be more expensive or burdensome. In particular, by misappropriating the Trademark and the name and images of the band, and by “giving-away” Beach Boys classic hits, defendants have caused performance under the contract (License) to become more expensive and burdensome. In his capacity as one of the four Directors of BRI, the defendant, Brian Wilson, in concert with the other defendants, has further interfered with the performance of plaintiff’s contract with BRI by the following acts: (a.) organizing and orchestrating the described scheme; (b) failing to disclose the scheme to BRI and to plaintiff; (c) threatening to vote to revoke the license in the event plaintiff either individually or in his capacity as a Director of BRI attempted to obtain legal redress for defendant, Brian Wilson’s illicit conduct – thus engaging in extortion to shield himself from liability; (d) making promises and inducements to Alan Jardine, a co-director of BRI, in order to induce Jardine’s vote to revoke the license and to block BRI from seeking legal redress for Wilson’s interference with the license; (e) threatening to revoke the license and either tour with Jardine or remove the touring license from the marketplace in order to promote Wilson’s touring band; and (f) engaging in several years of touring activity in competition with the license, and undermining its effectiveness in the marketplace while remaining as a Director of BRI.

I'm guessing all this stuff fell flat in terms of legal arguments, especially the contention that essentially amounts to contending that Brian merely touring as a solo act "undermines" the license.

I'm very neutral on the concept of Brian allegedly threatening to vote to take Mike's license away. But assuming Mike's own filing is true (and even if it exaggerates the "scheme" of doing so beyond what it actually was), it is interesting that the idea of attempting to take the license away has been batted around at some point.

Sobering. That's a smoking gun in my opinion. The whole premise (going back to the 70's) that POB was a threat to the Beach Boys, and that Brian Wilson songs belong within the domain of the Beach Boys, and nothing else. Golden goose, indeed.

I've always suspected that, but I don't feel any sort of 'gotcha' having read that. I feel dispirited. It's a drag. Tragic even.
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Awesome New Mike Love Article!! on: February 16, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
6. Like Jardine, Brian Wilson has now with the “give-away” scheme, pursued a path to promote himself, destroy The Beach Boys trademark, and breach his fiduciary duties to BRI and to Mike Love. Historically, these breaches are the continuation of over thirty-five years of conduct by Brian Wilson to damage The Beach Boys and BRI. Between 1961 and 1966 Mike Love and Brian Wilson successfully collaborated with Carl and Dennis Wilson in the creation of hit after hit and album after album in the rapidly growing world of rock and roll music. Mike and Brian are recognized as prodigious song-writing pioneers in the early development of this musical genre. But beginning in 1965, drugs began to destroy Brian Wilson. By 1967, Brian lived either in his bed or in his sand-box in his Beverly Hills mansion. While Mike Love and The Beach Boys were touring without him, Brian was surrounded by drug addicts, drug dealers, parasites, and plagiarizers. In 1967, while Brian was living in an environment of drugs and physical and mental illness, Brian and The Beach Boys created the “Smile” album pursuant to their contract with Capitol Records, and paid for by Capitol. Brian also consulted some of the hangers-on that surrounded him at the time.

Could you imagine if that segment was quoted verbatim in Mike's forthcoming book? Could you imagine the fall out among the general music (non message board) public? I mean - he signed off on it. What a brush fire. And to think that he would be oblivious to the blow back. He would...witness the RS article. The man just doesn't GET IT.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: February 16, 2016, 10:14:32 AM
a day without Rocky is like a day without sunshine. Smokin
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Awesome New Mike Love Article!! on: February 15, 2016, 01:23:24 PM
And this is obviously the appetizer to the main course - the book. We'll be knee deep in the big muddy once Mike releases his, aww big muddy.

We conjectured this much when the announcement of the book came out. As I recall, many of us were shouted down by the usual suspects to approach the book with an open mind. I think we have a pretty good idea how this is going to play out. C'est la vie.

57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Awesome New Mike Love Article!! on: February 12, 2016, 09:56:45 PM
My take is, I don't dislike the man. I pity the man. You're allowed (anyone's allowed) to obsess over something until it drives you bats, but you reach a healthy place when you finally just let it GO. All the TM in the world, over many many years just can't seem to allow him to let it @#$'n GO. That's a drag, in my book. That's sad.

Enjoy the house. Enjoy the lifestyle. But the real bling won't be on the outside until it's on the inside.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Interesting Brian TV interview - Cleveland: Oct 1991 on: February 12, 2016, 09:44:15 PM
I was living in Cleveland at the time, and I was completely unaware of this interview. Of course, we didn't have the internet back then to alert us. AM Cleveland was one of those 'housewife' 8 - 10AM weekday chat shows. Met Fred Griffith a few times - his wife used to buy coffee beans from me on Saturday mornings. If I knew about it, I woulda peppered him with questions about Brian. Bri' was probably on a book tour at the time. Interesting how these things leak out over the course of many years.

Fascinating interview.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: February 11, 2016, 06:07:18 PM
Dunno if Rushton still lives around LA, but perhaps he can be persuaded to visit the online studio of Luxuria music. Maybe Chuck Kelley could be persuaded to do a special installment of the old Heroes and Villains show. A little Q & A. It would be interesting - and all us hatah's could congregate in the chat room and get all jiggy with it.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: February 10, 2016, 06:43:02 PM
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Rolling Stone Article on: February 10, 2016, 06:10:48 PM
And just to set SJS straight, the article IS about myKe luHv.

Mike's book comes out this summer, right? In the words of Maury Sline, 'a gig like that, you gotta prepare the proper exploitation'.

Stir the pot. Makes sense.
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: February 10, 2016, 05:17:29 PM
All of this vitriol saddens me...I was hoping that Andrew would provide the foreward to Rushton's book!  LOL

The thing is, it's a chicken or the egg scenario. Anyone that would be loco enough to ghost write this 'teenager's diary' would have his work cut out for him. The brave soul that would agree to put these ramblings into coherent English would have to be paid, and I dunno that there's a budget for that.

But it keep it com'in Rushton. It's entertaining and it's free.

Part: 17  "Wha--Ooh"

After I was no longer working for BRIAN WILSON...I was the Marlboro Man...then I went downtown to LOOK FOR A JOB...there were NO JOBS!!!!! So I hung out in front of the drug store. On the second day of my unemployment...I went downtown to LOOK FOR A JOB...and there were NO JOBS!!! So I hung out in front of the drug store. On the third day of my unemployment...
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if The Beach Boys Love You was scrapped? on: February 06, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
Ifs and buts, and candies and nuts, but I've always believed that if Brian's voice had not deteriorated to such a degree, Love You would have been more universally accepted. Some of the leads on side two really separate the casual fan from the hard cores.

64  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Monkees 50th anniversay - new album on: February 06, 2016, 08:56:08 PM
The Rolling Stone article mentioned that Nez wouldn't be participating in the full tour, although Mickey remained hopeful he may participate in a few choice dates. Album wise, at least Davey will be represented on the Neil Diamond track. Looking forward to the album.
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Monkees 50th anniversay - new album on: February 06, 2016, 03:06:31 PM
Some very interesting news on the Monkees - a new 2016 tour (perhaps with or without Nez) but very intriguing news on a new album. Some front line songwriters as well as deep tracks/sessions from Nilsson, Diamond and Carole King. Sounds very cool.

http://substreammagazine.com/2016/02/the-monkees-new-album-will-have-songs-written-by-rivers-cuomo-and-ben-gibbard/
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: February 05, 2016, 10:59:02 PM
Rocky, is that you and Stan at 8:25?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfZFuslGLSU
Smiley If you mean... Did we pay Dennis a visit the next morning?... Yes we did! Smiley Smiley


Uh.. no, that's not at all what I meant. I meant, if you watch the video on the YouTube link there at 8 minutes 25 seconds, is that a picture of you and Stan with Brian sitting at the piano?

Please stop it with that story you've been telling over and over again on this thread. We get it, REALLY.
Are you asking a question you already know the answer to, or are you genuinely unsure if that is Stan and Rocky pictured at 8:25?
Smiley Good question Juice... and it wouldn't hurt to know which video... I just checked out all 9 of the Bio's where you can run the arrow down the time line to... 8:25... on all of them and there wasn't anything with Brian at a Piano on them. Maybe catlag could be more specific... like... the title of the video? But juice... I bet you know if it was Stan and I? Was it...?

Rocky, here's a screen grab of the picture.

67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: January 27, 2016, 03:43:51 PM
Smiley  Emily did you just say... YUP...? Is that even a word...? I've heard of YEP... could you ELUCIDATE...?  Not to be confused with hallucinate ! 20% of the posts on this site are from YOU...Emily? Your at #867 posts...I'm at #70 posts...(can we get another YUP) Smiley Smiley Juice, that's the first post of your's I've liked...thanks for pointing that out! Maybe your not so bad? Smiley Manning that's OK about the JUDGE word (below) I've gotten use to it. Smiley chaki... #TEAMROCKY ? (below) is that a positive note?... WONDERS NEVER CEASE! Smiley Smiley Smiley (you get 3 smiles)

I'm way in left field on this, but Rushton's style of writing bears an uncanny resemblance to the decade-old postings from Smilin' Jeannie on the Blueboard. Run ons, non sequiturs, confusing trains of thought. Could it be...? ? ?

You BET!!!!  Cool  Shocked  Evil WEEEEEEEE!!!! YUP! YEP! YOWZER!!!!!!! Razz Cool
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: January 21, 2016, 08:09:49 PM
Here is the bottom line. These were not emotionally intelligent people. Saying Carl, Marilyn et al were stupid would not be true. But there was just alot of denial. Brian is a drug addict, nothing more. They were all doing nothing but putting a bandaid on a burst artery. Yes Rocky and everyone was in the trenches and we weren't. And we are Monday morning quarterbacking.

But when sh*t is going down, you need to step back and figure out WTF is going on. Melinda said it best. If Brian had cancer they would have shot him up to UCLA real quick.  I keep thinking about an oil exec here in town that told his son's shrink to tell his son to knock off this bipolar sh*t and suck it up. The man's son's shrink was a friend of mine. The exec was a college educated man, not stupid, but was sure that all this mental illness stuff was a scam. Some people around Brian seemed to think the same.

Again, these were not worldly people. Only when Shilling and Hullet came along did they finally get it. But they should have gone to UCLA or some hospital instead of Landy.





This is my favorite post. Also, no matter how he might present himself, I do wish to continue to engage with Mr. Pamplin (not personally. Somebody else should do it ). I wish we could back off and stop putting EVERYONE on the defensive (that goes for you, too, Rocky). This is the Internet, and I know we're supposed to fight, but we don't have to fight. A lot of the things people are so angry about happened 40 years ago between people who know each other far better than we fans know them.

Yes, Rocky wants to promote his book. He's not the first to visit us under those circumstances during my short tenure here. Yes, many of us do not approve of his behavior in the past. But Mr. Pamplin is a relatively untapped source of information. His book won't include everything he was privy to or or his feelings about pivotal events/relationships. The opportunity to understand any actor's motivation in the course of history is, in and of itself, valuable.

Why not pleasantly afford this man- who's certainly my senior, from a different era and perhaps unfamiliar with the ways of our corner of the Internet- a little slack?

Doesn't anyone remember when Ron used to piss us all off?

Well said, but it's a two-way street. When you cross the double yellow a few too many times, don't think there won't be blow back. Rushton reapeth what he hath sown.
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: January 21, 2016, 06:33:13 PM
You know Rushton, you really didn't save Brian.  You just provided a service that any trained monkey could provide. The world is filled with slow thinking ex-jocks that are paid to provide security. Like checking ID's at a night club. Simple. Any monkey could do it. Good monkey.

Now what's vaguely interesting about your book, or salacious, or what have you, is that people LOVE to witness rich people behaving badly. It's the bedrock of the reality TV industry. Living in LA you already know that. Which is why you decided to finally cash in (forty years later) on Hollywood behaving badly. Just like the Great Gatsby, it's an old story. Champagne, cocaine and bad behavior. Film at eleven.

I look forward to checking out your book at a Half Price Books or a Big Lots Close Out Sale. There'll be plenty of copies available. Fo' cheep.
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: December 30, 2015, 07:58:34 PM
Rocky, were you present for the big-band sessions from the never released 'Adult Child'? Supposedly included It's Over Now as well as Life is For the Living. That one always got a smile out of me - pure Brian!

Life...is for the living
Don't sit on your ass
Smokin' grass
That went out, a long time ago...
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: December 17, 2015, 04:10:57 PM
This thread makes me feel dirty...

Yeah, and those segments in the Gaines book kind of hit me the same way. At the end of the day, apart from the first person description we've heard this sorry episode before in Gaines.

With Mike's book coming out next year, and Brian's coming out the following year, wonder if a publisher will take a chance and sandwich Rocky's thesis between the two. I say thesis because he's a man of letters. Capital letters.  Smokin

Everything I've ever read about the Aussie tour makes it seem like it must have been extremely uncomfortable and unsettling to be there. Imagine being in that crew. What a downer.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: December 14, 2015, 03:36:35 PM
This book, if it ever comes out, will be another in a long line of 'tell alls', such as Tony Sanchez's Up and Down with the Rolling Stones. One of those salacious, disturbing and somewhat fascinating car wrecks.

The real cha-ching generated won't be book sales. It'll be legal fees.
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pheonix and Bill Murray release \ on: December 08, 2015, 07:42:13 PM
Saw 'A Very Murray Christmas' last night as well, and this track was an unexpected surprise. To me, I like the lo-fi nature of it. It adds a nice homespun element. Nicely done.

The program itself is quite odd (in a good way). It's got the classic Murray mannerisms, and almost seems a hodgepodge of Nick the Lounge Singer and Lost in Translation. At any rate, it's nice holiday fare. Equal parts holiday special and Christopher Guest put-on. Check it out - exclusive for Netflix.
74  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Goodbye, SmileySmile on: December 03, 2015, 12:02:34 AM
It's totally political. This is the problem. This why a simple discussion of NPP devolves into us vs. them. This is why a (in my opinion) ceremonial award such as the Ella turns into us vs. them. This is why some (delightfully unexpected) set lists for Mike and Bruce in London devolve into us vs. them. Pointing out the merda-stirers is not a hero vs. villain proposition. It's us vs. them. And that's a damn shame. And don't confuse that with having a personal bias. That's to be expected (and it's been in the DNA of the Beach Boys fan for many, many years). I'm talking about arrogance. From newbies all the way to the published author. There's a difference.

Again, calling out 2, 3, or a half dozen objectionable posters is merely window dressing. The problem is when one reacts, the other will respond. Sounds a lot like a political discussion doesn't it? Feels good to vent - sure, but unless your skin is thick, feelings get hurt.




75  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Come, my posse, let us convene... on: November 29, 2015, 11:48:53 PM
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