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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Jeff Beck Album w/ BB & Dennis Wilson Covers on: June 27, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Here's a live rendition of Don't Talk: https://youtu.be/nFPBei4gIW4
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) on: December 11, 2021, 10:46:13 AM
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think Joe Thomas does a good job when it comes to recording Brian's vocals. In a perfect world, we would have an album with backing tracks produced by Brian/Andy/Darian and vocals (and only vocals) produced by Joe. TWGMTR isn't his best work, but the vocals in Imagination and No Pier Pressure sound great, IMO.

As others have mentioned, the new songs in the soundtrack sound like they contain vocals that were done in a single/first take, and that's it. Maybe that's the sound they were going for, maybe Brian didn't feel like spending too much time recording these songs, maybe he was just having fun, taping footage for the documentary, not thinking necessarily about a proper album... And this is me just guessing, but I think most people don't dare question Brian when it comes to recording. He's Brian Wilson, after all. But it seems to me that Joe isn't afraid to tell Brian when they need another take. So, yes, I would have preferred if these new songs had vocals produced by Joe.

On a different note, I wonder what source they used for the Paley tracks. Must Be A Miracle sounds great, but there's a lot of hiss on the other tracks, it almost feels like listening to an old cassette. You can particularly tell with I'm Goin' Home at the 3:00 minute mark, when the track goes quiet, you can hear a lot of hiss using headphones. Maybe it's the same source they used for the tracks they uploaded to brianwilson.com, they sound much better than what we had available in bootlegs, but still don't sound like something that's ready for commercial release.

Having said that, I'm very happy we got a new Brian Wilson album. Keep them coming.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) on: December 06, 2021, 10:49:08 PM
I'm glad "I'm Going Home" is on here, but I think I prefer "Going Home" from That Lucky Old Sun. Also, I can't figure it out but where else did Brian use the melody from the part "the moon and stars all seem to say / wonder why you ever ran away"? It sounds so familiar but I just cannot figure out what it is.

It sounds a bit like a line from Black Widow/Let's Do It Again, IMO.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) on: November 25, 2021, 08:59:01 PM
Must Be A Miracle, like I said, is not the 1995 bootlegged recording. It's a newer version - could it be the one produced by Brian, Andy and Don Was in 1995, originally meant for the beach boys? Anyway, the vocals sound like late 90s-early 2000s Brian to my ear. No other Beach Boys as far as I can tell.

According to Tidal, the track features Brian, Andy Paley and Jeffrey Foskett on vocals.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Song Question on: November 23, 2021, 12:59:47 PM
I like the new song. The bit at the start reminds me of the Night Bloomin' Jasmine demo, the part that didn't make it into Rio Grande.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Jeffrey Foskett in latest Stranger Things trailer on: November 06, 2021, 10:16:25 AM
https://youtu.be/Z1ZQMpp4BdU

That's Jeffrey singing, right? I can't place the song.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian music this Friday ? on: October 08, 2021, 11:44:05 AM
Also saw this picture at Amazon:

8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian music this Friday ? on: October 08, 2021, 11:42:31 AM
Brian's Twitter account posted this picture today:

9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 01, 2021, 09:02:02 AM
anyone else really digging "its natural" ?, It has a really cool feel to it with the keyboards, I am very curious to see how the finish song would have sounded.

To me it sounds like something XTC could have recorded in the late 80s. Very cool song.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 30, 2021, 02:15:11 PM
Greetings all,
While waiting on my sets to arrive, I'm hoping that someone can confirm or deny claims that these sets contain different mixes between them.
I read somewhere back in June that a specific mix of this or that was exclusive to the 2CD set and not the 5 CD set itself, and vise versa. Does anyone else recall this tidbit/news in regards to them?


Tidal has both sets available for streaming:

- San Miguel is 14 seconds shorter in the 2 CD set, it fades out sooner.
- Susie Cincinnati has car engine noises at the beginning in the 2 CD set. These sounds are missing in the 5 CD set.
- I'm Going Your Way starts with 14 seconds of studio chatter in the 5 CD set. This is missing in the 2 CD set.
- Soulful Old Man Sunshine is 13 seconds shorter in the 2 CD set, it fades out sooner.
- All I Wanna Do (A Capella) is 16 seconds shorter in the 2 CD set, it fades out while they are still singing. In the 5 CD set it continues until they stop singing.
- (Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again lasts 4:37 in the 2 CD set versus 6:50 in the 5 CD set.
- Behold The Night has a slightly shorter intro and a slightly shorter ending in the 2 CD set, it's 5 seconds shorter in total.
- All Of My Love/Ecology has a 30 second rehearsal at the beginning which is missing from the 2 CD set. Also, in the 5 CD set the "run run river run" section is twice as long. It's a 50 second difference in total.
- Awake begins with 30 seconds of studio chatter which are missing from the 2 CD set.
- Disney Girls (Live 1982) ends with Al saying "thank you, Bruce" in the 5 CD set. The track fades out before this in the 2 CD set.
- Disney Girls (Backing Vocals Excerpt) is 16 seconds shorter in the 2 CD set, it's missing half the track.

There may be more stuff that I missed.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 06, 2021, 06:19:20 AM
This version is about 4.7% slower than the released version, so it seems the track was sped up for release, like Caroline, No.

EDIT: Just noticed the MiC a cappella mix is also slower, so this is nothing new... for some reason listening to the instrumental track made it that much obvious to me.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Gershwin Album on: July 22, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
This is what they had to work with:

https://youtu.be/gnecxn5N5sc

https://youtu.be/GVkyjBIoH84

I'm not sure why they didn't use any of the original lyrics, although in this video Brian says he only received piano versions of the songs: https://youtu.be/o-u5UqsHsMo

In this article (https://www.playbill.com/article/brian-wilson-crafts-new-gershwin-songs-and-interprets-old-favorites-on-reimagines-gershwin-cd-com-169700) it says:

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Did Wilson write new lyrics? A spokesperson told Playbill.com, "Brian worked/collaborated with two of his longtime band members on lyrics (Scott Bennett) and the orchestral arrangements (Paul Von Mertens)."
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Demos posted to Brian Wilson's website on: July 20, 2021, 06:07:31 PM
Also, the two "Wilson/Paley Sessions" tracks have this cover artwork:



And most tracks are dated 2012.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: On The Island / Shortening Bread on: July 29, 2020, 09:47:25 AM
To me it sounds like Little Saint Nick, in particular the version that's included as a bonus track in the reissue of Brian's first solo album: https://youtu.be/OJZTmL-hCBI?t=64
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / New recording by Gaby Moreno and Van Dyke Parks on: July 12, 2019, 11:09:25 AM
It's a cover of Ry Cooder's Across The Borderline, VDP is featured in the music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQumEDeu3jI
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / New movie Charlie Says, with Dennis, Gregg Jakobson and Terry Melcher on: March 13, 2019, 06:51:36 AM
A new trailer came out for a movie about Charles Manson called Charlie Says, and according to IMDB it has Dennis, Gregg and Terry as characters in the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YVeVLSMiuo

I think this might be Dennis from the trailer?

17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Beach Boys reference in SNL (I think) on: December 16, 2018, 09:38:26 AM
They used this picture to promote the latest episode:



When I saw it the first thing that came to mind was The Beach Boys' Christmas Album, but maybe it's an iconic sort of image and I'm just not very familiar with it...
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Kokomo Is 30 article in Stereogum on: July 23, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
https://www.stereogum.com/2006749/kokomo-beach-boys-story/franchises/sounding-board/

“Kokomo” Is 30: The Strange Backstory To The Beach Boys’ Last Cultural Gasp

by Brad Shoup


We’ll start with the most obvious thing: there is no Kokomo. Not off the Florida Keys, anyway. Sure, a couple places staked claims, but only after the occurence of the least obvious thing: a has-been pop act, minus their lead singer and creative engine, scoring a #1 hit off the soundtrack to a forgettable film about bartending. “Kokomo” — released 30 years ago this month — was the Beach Boys’ first original Top 20 single in 20 years, and their first chart-topper in 22.


With or without their erstwhile captain Brian Wilson, the Beach Boys never came close to replicating their early success, but no matter: Every time a quizmaster asks what the seven locations are in the song’s chorus, every Gen-X hand in the bar lunges for the pen. “Kokomo” was a peculiar last cultural gasp for everyone involved: not just the performers, but also their collaborators. Together, they formed a coastal coterie, an assemblage of connections both fortuitous and tragic.

The state of the Beach Boys in 1988 was, in a word, shitty. Their last record, 1985’s digitally crispy The Beach Boys, performed middlingly despite contributions from Culture Club, Ringo Starr, and Stevie Wonder. A couple clues to their malaise appear within the record. On the back, there’s a dedication “to the memory of our beloved brother, cousin and friend”; Dennis Wilson, the band’s drummer and only true surfer, had drowned in the water off Marina Del Rey in December of 1983. And on the label, there are three songwriting credits for E. E. Landy.

That would be Dr. Eugene Landy, Brian’s personal therapist, business manager, and professional ghoul. At one point, Wilson’s family had to sell some of his publishing rights in order to afford Landy’s $430,000-a-year fee. Landy’s role as confidant, coupled with Brian’s reluctance to tour, kept him largely away from his bandmates, though they had the right to perform and record as the Beach Boys. And so, when director Roger Donaldson sought the band to pad out the soundtrack to his film Cocktail, they turned the assignment over to their producer, Terry Melcher.


Though Melcher had only been been producing the group for a few years, his relationship with the band was a couple decades old at that point. In the mid-’60s, he and future Beach Boy Bruce Johnston made surf-pop as Bruce & Terry, and then as the Rip Chords. Melcher moved behind the boards, becoming a major architect of the West Coast folk-rock sound. At one of his house parties, he re-introduced Brian Wilson to Van Dyke Parks, who tried to help Wilson through the aborted Smile sessions. Parks continued to provide lyrical and instrumental daubs to Beach Boys tracks in the years afterward. In a twisted return of favor, Dennis introduced Melcher to a guy he first met trashing his house: Charlie Manson.

The aspiring megalomaniac also aspired to be a songwriter, and both Dennis and Melcher were impressed with his embryonic sketches. But Manson’s psychotic behavior scotched his chance at a record deal; incensed, he dispatched some of his followers to Melcher’s old house, where they murdered five people, including the actress Sharon Tate. The Manson Family’s spree killings blew a hole in the psyche of America’s counterculture, and sent Melcher into something of a tailspin. He took on fewer projects, eventually signing on to produce a couple television shows for his mother, the actress and singer Doris Day. By the mid-’80s, he was back in the Beach Boys’ orbit. When he was tabbed to find a song for Cocktail, he reached out to an old friend: John Phillips of the Mamas And The Papas, whose hit “California Dreamin'” the Beach Boys had recently covered.

Phillips had spent the decade juggling different Mamas And Papas lineups. He and Denny Doherty were the only returning members; Cass Elliot died in 1974, and Michelle Phillips divorced John in 1970. Their roles were filled by former Spanky & Our Gang leader Elaine McFarlane and Phillips’ daughter Mackenzie, respectively. The group toured and did the requisite casino residencies, but legit success was hard to come by. (The entire time, according to Mackenzie Phillips, she and her father were involved in what was termed an “incestuous relationship.” She made the accusation in her 2009 memoir, as well as on The Oprah Winfrey Show. Immediately afterward, various relatives and family friends issued statements attesting to their belief or disbelief in her account.) By 1986, John was demoing tracks with Scott McKenzie, best known for his Phillips-written 1967 smash “San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair).” One of those tracks was “Kokomo.”

You can hear Phillips’ version on the 2010 collection Many Mamas, Many Papas. (The set also contains the racist ditty “Chinaman,” as well as a song called, simply, “Yachts.”) His “Kokomo” is stately and wistful. Other than Florida, Kokomo is the only place mentioned, making the composition a sort of paean to a lost paradise of the mind. It’s been suggested that he was thinking of Mustique, an island in the Grenadines purchased in the ‘50s by Phillips’ friend, the British aristocrat Colin Tennant, 3rd Baron Glenconner. Tennant nearly went broke maintaining the damn thing, eventually transferring ownership to the islands’ wealthy homeowners (a group which has, at one time or another, included Bryan Adams, David Bowie, and Mick Jagger). Regardless of origin, the “Kokomo” demo was missing a chorus. And that’s where Mike Love enters.


If Brian Wilson was like Paul McCartney, pushing his bandmates to precisely render his sonic fancies, Mike Love was like … well, Paul McCartney, desperately trying to keep all the stakeholders happy and productive. He’s rarely given his due as a songwriter: He sued Brian in 1992 more or less for this reason, eventually winning co-writing credit for 35 Beach Boys tunes. The occasional “Good Vibrations” aside (a lyric written with McKenzie’s “San Francisco” in mind), his gift is punch-ups: tweaking phrases and adding earworms. He scrapped Phillips’ past tense. It sounded like regret, which is not Love’s bag. All he’s ever wanted to do is provide escape. So when it came time to write the chorus, Love sang Melcher a map.

The result was ruthlessly catchy: a combination of dreaminess and insistence, like a tank disguised as a cloud. The “Aruba, Jamaica” bit was bumped to the beginning for maximum effect; Love managed to work in a reference to cocktails, and possibly (in the line “that Montserrat mystique”) a reference to Baron Tennant’s island folly. Van Dyke Parks parachuted in to arrange the steel pans and play accordion, despite (allegedly) being stiffed by Love on plane fare. Studio saxophonist Joel Peskin (whose professional relationship with the Boys stretched back to 1979’s L.A.) contributed the oddly poignant solo. One name was notably absent: Brian was unable to attend the sessions, possibly due to his doctor’s interference. When he first heard the song on the radio, he didn’t even recognize it as a Beach Boys tune. His solo record had just dropped — deliciously, the opening lines are “I was sittin’ in a crummy movie/With my hands on my chin.”


Released 7/18/88 in advance of Cocktail — with Little Richard’s soundtrack closer “Tutti Frutti” as the B-side — “Kokomo” didn’t get any traction. It was only after moviegoers heard the tune scoring Tom Cruise’s move from New York to Jamaica that it caught on. Despite critical indifference (the movie is Cruise’s worst film on Rotten Tomatoes) both Cocktail and “Kokomo” became #1 hits: the former for two weeks, the latter for one. In November, “Kokomo” supplanted Phil Collins’ “Groovy Kind Of Love” at the summit. (Collins, however, got the last laugh when “Two Hearts” beat “Kokomo” for Best Original Song at the 46th annual Golden Globes.)

A couple weeks after “Kokomo” hit #1, the Beach Boys (with Brian) guest-starred in an episode of the sitcom Full House. The climax of “Beach Boys Bingo” features the Tanner clan rockin’ out to a stadium performance of “Kokomo,” then climbing onstage to do “Barbara Ann.” The whole thing was old hat for Full House star John Stamos, who had been the Beach Boys’ ancillary percussionist for a few years by then. (He played steel drums in the “Kokomo” video, but not on the record.) If you watch the scene carefully, you’ll see Brian sporting a “Californians For Dukakis” shirt; Mike, infamously, is a Trump supporter and a contributor to Tipper Gore’s pro-censorship Parent’s Music Resource Center.



Having scored an improbable hit, the Beach Boys pivoted to movie soundtracks for a time. They landed “Still Cruisin'” in Lethal Weapon 2 and the Melcher-written title track for Problem Child; neither went anywhere, and the band returned to the state-fair circuit. “Kokomo” was, it turns out, irreplicable. Its lightweight arrangement and hermetic vibe have proven resistant to imitators: You won’t find many notable covers beyond, say, the Muppets. Its real legacy was in lending its name to a host of bars and resorts across the Caribbean Sea. The Orlando Sentinel found a few in a December ’88 investigation, with Key Largo’s Chamber of Commerce noting that “[w]e are flooded with calls, absolutely flooded. We had six calls on the answering machine this morning and several calls during the day.” Sandals renamed their Montego Bay resort “Kokomo Island” for a while, which must have been a nice two-for-one for the song’s fans.

In time, though, “Kokomo” fever faded, and the men responsible for it are starting to pass on. Carl Wilson died in 1998, John Phillips in 2001, Terry Melcher in 2004, Scott McKenzie in 2012. Mike Love, who has long enjoyed the exclusive rights to tour under the Beach Boys name, is the sole living writer. Last fall, he released a double album, with the second half devoted to re-recordings of Beach Boys classics. “Kokomo” is nowhere to be found. Presumably, he decided not to mess with perfection.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: May 25, 2018, 09:23:38 PM
Thanks, everybody, nice polite answers. But, I must say it doesn't thrill me as it does the others that this channel will introduce new fans to BBs & that it's "communal experience". Sure, it's good to see BBs getting exposure but it's not the thing I care about plenty like many of you. Just casually. Ultimately, Sirius isn't available here, maybe it would help to get what you exactly mean if I listened to it with my ears. As such, I shall leave you enjoying the channel & its discussion.

Sirius is not available here either, but they broadcast online, you can listen to the station here: https://player.siriusxm.com/live/BeachBoysChannel

No need to sign in or anything.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys inspired song in latest Arctic Monkeys album on: May 15, 2018, 05:12:10 AM
It's called Golden Trunks, and has a Feel Flows kind of vibe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31hMzRNeIq4

Thanks, CK. For those like me who can't see that vid, here's an alternative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur4Ps0hAG4M

Not sure who made that video, but that's not the song... if you need an alternate link, try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiA25z3ra1c

Also, here's the Spotify link: https://open.spotify.com/track/3NmndGYOIYocA5OTHMVoaw?si=qYhltcAPR-C51hrEAAevBw
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Beach Boys inspired song in latest Arctic Monkeys album on: May 14, 2018, 03:46:58 PM
It's called Golden Trunks, and has a Feel Flows kind of vibe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31hMzRNeIq4
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / God Only Knows on American Idol on: May 14, 2018, 03:43:39 PM
Yesterday one of the finalists sang God Only Knows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esewCYA424k

I'm guessing a lot of people watched it. Katy Perry (one of the judges) said "the number 1 song that I wish I could have written is God Only Knows".
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Possibly O/T: \ on: May 10, 2018, 02:08:57 PM
Found it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYIBU0hFwRg

I'd love to hear the other songs that were later redone by Foskett, in their original form... Were they ever released?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Janelle Monáe feat. Brian Wilson - Dirty Computer on: April 30, 2018, 06:16:32 AM

For context, Monae's last two albums and an EP were concept albums with her protraying an android robot name Cindi Mayweather

Or you could watch the first couple minutes of the film she made to go along with the album and it explains it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdH2Sy-BlNE


Here's the song credits, taken from that video:

25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 18, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
In this video, at 3:15, Al is holding a sheet of paper with lyrics for Run James Run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFF3n6xpM8



I wonder if there's a version with Al singing it.
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