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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was there any evidence \
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on: January 28, 2016, 01:30:27 AM
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That's exactly what happened. That's how in the span of a week, it was reported that the album was being readied for rush promotion, 12 tracks ready. Then Mike tells Derek Taylor in the UK something different, and it's now "scrapped".
While its a logical assumption Mike broke the news, Why is that a logical assumption? Could have been any of the boys, including Brian himself. And press statements always have to be taken with a grain of salt, like "laryngitis", you know? Alan, I hope your feet didn't get wet!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was there any evidence \
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on: January 26, 2016, 04:43:49 AM
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Also Al put the end of SMiLE pre-April Veg.
But is he right about that? He isn't really sure even what version ov V-T they were working on. Yes. Yes he is. He knew either way that that Veg was post-SMiLE. And we've learned that Al is totally reliable in this interview. And that isn't the only thing that points to that Veg being post-SMiLE. Well, he's certainly mixing up the "single version" with the Smiley version, as he's claiming he played water bottles on that version recorded when McC visited. Al's a great guy , but human memory is not like written in stone, it's been 50 years ago, and he's not a researcher and hairsplitter like us.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Fall Breaks & Back to Winter
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on: January 25, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
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Just to throw this out there...am I the only person who refuses to listen to Smiley Smile in anything except for pitch black darkness?
Not quite, but actually my favorite set-up to listen to it is late at night with just some candles lighting the room and while it is snowing outside! No kidding!!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was there any evidence \
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on: January 25, 2016, 02:04:07 PM
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Also Al put the end of SMiLE pre-April Veg.
But is he right about that? He isn't really sure even what version ov V-T they were working on. "CIFOTM version 3"... I think it is very likely that that recording was to be a section of either V-T or Wonderful rather than a song of its own as previously planned. IMHO that's Brian's first attempt to salvage that chant before finally using it as a tag to Surf's Up.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains
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on: January 20, 2016, 10:12:44 AM
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I bothered to look it up, in both BWPS and TSS it says "cotillion" - not capitalized. You got a source who got it wrong methinks.
Thanks for the input. Not sure how far back that spelling (with the capital C) dates back or the exact origin. I have Word files going back to 2000 with that spelling and also with an alternate spelling of Catillion. I've been checking the internet with not much luck. Browsed in LLVS a bit yesterday, found that the "Catillian" capitalized has its origin there. So much for Priore's interpretations of things SMiLE! One bit of H&V revisionism from BWPS that can actually be heard is the line from 66-67 "In the cantina, margaritas keep the spirit high." For BWPS it was changed to "in the cantina, Margarita keeps the spirits high.", in print and in performance. Commas- tougher to prove.
When I landed in London in 2004 for the SMiLE concert there was someone waiting at the gate with a sign in his hands saying "Margarita" - obviously Margarita was on my plane!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was there any evidence \
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on: January 19, 2016, 09:20:24 AM
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The layout of Western Three would make it pretty much impossible to do on a whim. There were no cargo doors. Also, the article stated that shortly thereafter said instrument was back in the Laurel Way house.
As for the eight track, my point was about it being Brian's personal property. My premise is that the article shouldn't be treated as unquestionably accurate, not that it be dismissed out of hand. Parts are undoubtedly accurate: others are questionable.
I'm not saavy about moving pianos but could not a professional piano mover remove legs etc. and hand carry or roller cart the main body through a standard 28 or 32" x 80" door? Surely it would be no more difficult than bringing a horse into the studio? Well, you don't have to clean up after the piano.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains
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on: January 19, 2016, 08:02:23 AM
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Although "Once at night, cotillion squared the fight" seems OK too, as long as you keep in mind that "squared" is an adjective for "cotillion", and not a verb, which is how I've always thought of it. I think that "squared" as an adjective is the key to it all that clears up my confusion.
But don't adjectives precede the noun in English? And even if it is meant to be an adjective, what is a squared cotillion?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains
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on: January 19, 2016, 07:34:45 AM
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Not to go back and rehash everything, but the December structure of Heroes and Villains was almost certainly:
Verses/Great Shape/"my children were raised . . . Often wise"/3 score and five/a Capella/Barynard
Which others may have already proposed earlier. And I would say that this was the structure even after the track list with Great Shape as a separate song was submitted to Capitol.
What do you mean this is "most certainly" the December structure?? How do you explain IIGS being a section within H&V AND it's own separate song? Did Brian call the IIGS section of H&V IIGS? Or could it be that the track IIGS is something different from the H&V section we call IIGS?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine Appreciation
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on: January 19, 2016, 07:20:27 AM
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EDM? What's that?
Short for "electronic dance music" -- a US marketing term, not used in the rest of the English-speaking world, for any music with drum machines, sequencers, and synths. It's a near-meaningless term that covers everything from Donna Summer to Skrillex. Ah, thanks for explaining. In fact, Pier Pressure's EDM track is the one track of the album the sound of which I find the least regrettable...
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: using 'Cabinessence' in 'Heroes and Villains' mix
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on: January 19, 2016, 06:23:28 AM
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Um... isn't the 'intro' to "H&V" a version of the basic "Fire" riif, not "Cabin Essence" ?
Andrew, you disappoint me... see my H&V intro experiment. The chords are the same and the piano changes the chords at the same time in H&V intro where they change in Iron Horse - the organ though doesn't. They're both in 3/4 time. Fire is in 4/4 time changes chords way more often, and it's different chords too. I would call using Iron Horse for H&V "creative", not "cheating" - there's no historical accuracy possible anyway as SMiLE wasn't finished in the 1960s. Is adding the CIFOTM lyric line to the Surf's Up tag "historically accurate"? All we can do is compile the segments we have to something that makes sense in some way to us personally. Use Wind Chimes as air? Why not - it wasn't conceived as part of The Elements, but the decision to use it as such in order to get the album could have been made in 1966 the same as in 2003. That decision wasn't made in 1966, but it would have been possible.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains
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on: January 19, 2016, 06:04:35 AM
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With The SMiLE Sessions booklet, it's much less clear that VDP had direct input to that, as he was more estranged from that project, but what the hey, it's the OTHER place these lyrics are 'semi-officially' printed, I'd say that's pretty much official, not semi. "cotillion squared" makes no sense to me, other than there's another dance called "square".
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine Appreciation
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on: January 19, 2016, 05:54:09 AM
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Let's not derail this topic with boring monetary & grudge-holding stuff. He is core member of the Beach Boys. undisputably, the 2nd best voice in the group. This is an Al Jardine appreciation thread. Get it now?
I don't think the money thing is worth a thread of its own and will certainly not derail this thread as there's no discussion material in there. So when it was accidentally brought up, it was OK for Emily to ask. The TWGMTR album would have been even better if there had been more Al leads. I absolutely love "Susie Cincinnati", "Santa Ana Winds" and "Waves Of Love (saxophone version)".
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The initial structure of Heroes and Villains
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on: January 18, 2016, 04:42:49 PM
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I thought for a long time it was "cotillion", a dance. Never made any sense grammatically, Neither does "Over and over the thresher and hover the wheatfield" - VDP doesn't bother with grammatically correct streams of consciousness. So, no use ruminating about it IMHO. The bigger problem for me, beyond the order of the words, is that there is no such word (or name as far as I can tell) as C-a-t-i-l-l-i-a-n. I wonder why it is capitalized and what it's supposed to mean? It's cool that VDP doesn't supply us with answers, but I think there's value in looking deeply into his Smile lyrics for meaning. That's exactly why he doesn't supply answers. I bothered to look it up, in both BWPS and TSS it says "cotillion" - not capitalized. You got a source who got it wrong methinks.
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