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101  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Kris Kristofferson turns 80 on: June 20, 2019, 04:00:07 PM
This thread is interesting for reading about how Lyme Disease can be mistaken for Alzheimer's!
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy 77th Birthday Brian! on: June 20, 2019, 03:49:16 PM
Happy 77th Brian!
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian postponing tour the day before it starts. on: June 06, 2019, 07:40:57 PM
Best wishes Brian and get better!
104  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Who on: May 31, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
It occurred to me as I heard it on the radio this morning ... could My Generation be considered the first punk rock song?
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pacific Ocean coup: how Ronald Reagan helped bury a Beach Boy at sea on: May 22, 2019, 08:01:06 PM
Nice article. Didn't know Brian and Carl weren't happy about the arrangement.
106  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread on: May 20, 2019, 03:19:20 PM
^
Hey thanks for the link, I gotta watch it.
107  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread on: May 19, 2019, 05:30:06 PM
If anybody here has never seen Dark Side of the Rainbow, you need to click on this link and watch it now. You will never listen to Dark Side of the Moon the same again:
https://vimeo.com/163408854

Might want to have a beer or two first.
108  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: RIP Doris Day on: May 13, 2019, 03:42:39 PM
RIP. Sad When I read the news yesterday, I didn't even know she was still alive!

Whenever I hear of Doris Day I think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Career mishaps?? on: April 16, 2019, 03:35:11 PM
Does Dennis meeting Charles Manson count as a career mistake?

At the very least I suppose you could say they should not have released, let alone altered, his song.
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB albums sabotaged by one song on: March 30, 2019, 02:47:04 PM
Student Demonstration Time on Surf's Up. Really the 1 song that messes up a classic album
This.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why are songs repeated on the early albums, ie. on: March 20, 2019, 03:24:49 PM
I suppose when you're expected to crank out as many as a couple albums a year, you end up repeating some songs.
112  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: R. I. P. Dick Dale on: March 17, 2019, 05:21:54 PM
Sad
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine on: March 11, 2019, 05:22:20 PM
From Brian:
https://twitter.com/BrianWilsonLive/status/1105255062761283584
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I’m so sad, I don’t know what to say. Hal Blaine was such a great musician and friend that I can’t put it into words. Hal taught me a lot, and he had so much to do with our success - he was the greatest drummer ever. We also laughed an awful lot. Love, Brian
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine on: March 11, 2019, 03:21:17 PM
Sad Sad Sad

RIP Mr Blaine.
115  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs with step joining on: March 08, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
If I understand what RangeRover is saying correctly, these are usually called layered openings.

If you mean parts that enter in succession I agree. Maybe it's my cloth ears but I don't hear that in "YATSOML"...
In YATSOML, the layering includes the vocals.

1. Keyboard and drums
2. Male vocals
3. Female vocals and background singers
3. Stevie Wonder and trumpets

One of the most well done song openings ever IMO.
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine on: March 08, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
Sad
117  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs with step joining on: March 07, 2019, 07:34:08 PM
If I understand what RangeRover is saying correctly, these are usually called layered openings.

Tons of great examples. One of my favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wZ_b_uUAdQ
118  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Peter Tork died! on: February 21, 2019, 03:06:52 PM
No! Sad
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Linda Ronstadt February 2019 Interview Lauds Brian Wilson and Pet Sounds on: February 13, 2019, 04:17:34 PM
Can't ... resist. Another Linda Ronstadt interview I recently encountered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c718aryLEmM
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys on: February 13, 2019, 03:46:26 PM
I didn't mean to imply that Paul's "copying" of YSBIM copied the actual tune as much as George and He's So Fine, just that the subconscious process was similar.
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys on: February 12, 2019, 04:56:53 PM
Also, Paul has stated that he's a big fan of YSBIM:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Still_Believe_in_Me
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"I love that melody. That kills me, that melody. [ hums the first verse, bursts into song at 'I wanna cry.' ] That's my favorite, I think. The way that's arranged, where it goes away very quietly. I was in the car the other night, and I was telling the kids, saying, 'wait, wait, here it comes.' And then it comes back, and it's so beautiful right at the end, comes surging back in these multi-colored harmonies. Sends shivers up my spine. That's one of my favorite tracks."
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys on: February 12, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
OK, "stole" was a strong word, but I think he was trying to copying the overall vibe and feeling of YSBIM, at least subconsciously, and a lot of the patterns on the song are similar. Obviously I don't think Paul would be so blatant as to directly make his own imitation of it, but it seems to me he was maybe trying to make his own "impression" of it.

I had read Paul wrote HTAE while waiting for John to wake up one day while he was hanging out beside the pool at John's house, sometime shortly after Pet Sounds had come out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here,_There_and_Everywhere
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McCartney began writing "Here, There and Everywhere" at Lennon's house in Weybridge, in early June
Pet Sounds came out in mid-May, of course. Plenty of time for Paul to give the album several listens.

Anyway, they both have introductions which, while different, could be said to be similar. But after that, line by line here's where I see the similarities ...

Part 1:
Paul: Here, making each day of the year
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Brian: I know perfectly well I'm not where I should be
Brian: I've been very aware you've been patient with me

Here, Brian repeats the melody twice while Paul does it just once, but notice both melodies generally ascend up, "peak" in the middle of the verse and then descend back down, like a mountain. That's the main part I think is very similar. Next ....

Part 2:

Paul: Changing my life with the wave of her hand || nobody can, deny that there's something there
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian: Every time we break up you bring back your love to me || and after all I've done to you how can it be?

In both cases here we have a much longer melodic line (that is actually 2 lines strung together). The first half of this (the part before my "||") the melody "peaks" on the 3rd word in both songs ("life"/"we"). In both songs after the "||" we have a melody that sort-of asks for a "resolution" ...

Now, the parts immediately after that do differ. Brain does a refrain ("You still believe in me!") while Paul goes right into the verse again. Then both songs repeat the above.

I also think the "I wanna cry!" is sort-of what like Paul used as a bridge ("I want her everywhere ..."). I'm not sure what you'd call the "I wanna cry" on the BB song but it's sort-of like a bridge anyway, maybe a bridge before the coda. These two parts are definitely different.

Imagine that Paul took Brian's first two lines, got rid of one of them, took the "I wanna cry!" and made it into a regular bridge (which is really almost like a chorus), changed the melody a bit, and - bingo! - you've got a new song.

Again, "stole" was probably a strong word. I don't even think he was probably consciously stealing/copying anything, I'm guessing it was more subconscious, more along the lines of George and "He's So Fine."

I once wrote a song that, when I played it to somebody, they told me, "That sounds like a Beatles song." I was never trying to copy anything, it was just a tune that came to me. But when they pointed that out to me, I realized, yeah, it sounded like a Beatles song (particularly Yellow Submarine). Sometimes you "copy" things without consciously intending to copy anything. IMO this is a case of that.
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys on: February 10, 2019, 05:01:38 PM
Related, I've become convinced McCartney stole - consciously or subconsciously - Here There and Everywhere from You Still Believe in Me. The songs are way too similar, and the BB song came out just as the Beatles were recording Revolver.
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How do you listen to the albums? on: January 19, 2019, 06:30:38 PM
With my ears?
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Daryl Dragon on: January 02, 2019, 03:15:13 PM
Oh no! Sad

RIP Daryl.
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