I believe this was the track they were recording after Brian's final tour concluded.  Which would explain Brian's rather fragile vocals.  Apparently Darian is handling all or most of the vocal harmonies.  Overall a pretty good track despite Brian's weakened condition. 

Because nobody demanded it, and also because I was just straight-up bored, I went about making my own damn mix of "Island Fever" off the disastrous Summer In Paradise album.   This one combines stuff from both the U.S. and U.K. versions of the song.   Have a listen here:

https://youtu.be/rhTD8cnVZB4?si=5sakEskWFuNbt2kg

Dear all,

Is there any way to find the Dae Lims Smile in a lossless download? If anyone knows, I'd be grateful. Especially looking for the AI enhanced stereo mix of Cabin Essence.

All the best

A simple search on the Internet Archive will take you there.

https://archive.org/details/DaeLimsSMiLEAI

I'm honestly more intrigued with the soundtrack they're putting out.  Here's hoping they take a cue from the great Endless Harmony soundtrack and give us a lot of interesting unreleased content.  We certainly don't need another greatest hits rehash. 

Since the board came back it has looked physically different on my end.  All the columns do NOT fit within my page anymore.  Now I must scroll to see the columns on the right hand side. 

I hope this can be fixed soon!

I've noticed that too.  This forum format never really played well with mobile phones unfortunately.  🤷🏼‍♂️

Sure, anything is possible.  If they can do exhaustive box sets documenting the Beach Boys' fantastic but commercially ignored early 70's albums, they could certainly entertain a BW box set at some point.

Thanks for the replies. Does anyone know if there’s already a thread on this topic? I always find myself picking out a specific harmony part and wondering who it is that I’m hearing in that magnificent stack.

If you dig deep enough here you'll probably find some discussion about it but I don't really know specifically which direction to point you to.

Side note: props to having an amazingly clever screen name.  :-)

The general order (but not always) from the original roster was Brian at the top, followed by Al, then Dennis, then Carl, and ending with Mike at the bottom.  I'm not sure where Bruce fit into that equation when he joined but he was probably near the top.

 As interesting as these hypothetical fan creations can be, they are definitely kind of polarizing to some as they aren't truly "authentic".  Personally if I enjoy the creativity behind them (such as Dae Lims' creations) I can comfortably make the distinction between fact and fiction. 

All that said, I think the real meat of how artificial intelligence technology will be most constructively implemented will be in the more subtle nuances of audio editing.  It will probably benefit from making basic mixing, mastering and overall production easier and more efficient.  Using the MAL technology we can finally start expecting to hear proper stereo mixes of songs such as "Good Vibrations" whose multitracks have long gone lost.  Dae Lims himself put out a darn good fan stereo mix  of "The Little Girl I Once Knew" that gives you an idea of what
the technology can do.

One song I’ve always wanted to hear is a young Ronnie Spector singing don’t worry baby. I know she’s covered it in her later years but if there’s anyway Dae Lima could ever muster an AI beach boys version with peak era Ronnie singing the lead well I’d die a happy man

He would likely have to get a female vocalist who can match Ronnie's intonation to pull off such a feat.

[this alternate version of reality.]

GF - I agree completely that so much of whether I can enjoy/accept recordings like these are due to the superior quality of the workmanship that went into them, and Dae Lims IMO is killing it in that department.

I guess a primary issue that people can have with these is the insertion of musical ideas from another person who is not the actual artist...Which I totally get why that bugs some people.

But that said, if the music is good, the music is good, and I'm not trying to pretend it's anything else than what it actually is.
As it sounds really cool, I'm not going to force myself not to like it simply because it's not an actual recording of Brian Wilson's voice, despite sounding like him very much.

I'm reminded of officially released modern creations such as the 2012 version of Sail Plane Song.

I thought that was a really interesting experiment and I'm glad it exists and it was released.
It's not trying to take the place of anything else, it's just a well executed alternate reality that perhaps shows what the track might've sounded like if Brian had added more production back in the 1960s.

Not everybody digs it, but count me in as one of the people who does.

 These AI creations are somewhat similar in my book. It's new artistic ideas being put into an old song, but if it's done well that's all that matters to me. I'm not going to enjoy it as much as Pet Sounds and other actual original recordings by the band, but then it's not a contest.

I'm just glad that "new" material by this band is being carved out in one way or another.

It's ironic cause most of the fan mixes there have used ai tools to demix/re-balance, and people are fine with that.
I think we need to get past using the work 'ai' as a blanket term for any new audio tech.

It's a rather indescribable experience listening to these songs. But it's very very cool. To me there's only any moral and ethical quandary if he is trying to pass them off as the real thing, or anything like that. I see/hear nothing of the sort here so I have no problem enjoying this alternate version of reality.

I think some of the key issues in this debate are found in these two quotes. I am admittedly a vintage audio type of person, I prefer the sounds created on older technology. Having said that, hearing some of the AI creations posted and linked on this forum have changed my mind regarding the use of AI technology in creating these tracks, due in large part to the superior quality and the obvious respect and attention to detail that went into making them.

This could get long, because to cover all the aspects and issues would perhaps be a book-length exploration. All I want to do is express some of my own opinions, shine light on some historical details and parallels, and perhaps open some minds and opinions for discussion and consideration.


Point 1, and perhaps the more important issue to consider, is that all audio recording of music since roughly the late 1940's is an illusion, an alternate version of reality. As soon as pioneers like Les Paul started to work with magnetic tape, which led to multitrack recording, and other pioneers like Bill Putnam started to create technology to electronically process audio signals and create unnatural sounds and effects on recordings, the doors were kicked wide open. Recorded audio became an illusion, and the process of recording musical performances became a process of creating those illusions.

Previous to these developments, a recording was essentially capturing a live performance on media to be reproduced and sold and/or broadcast. Whatever the musicians did in whatever room they performed was recorded as it happened, as if the listener were in that room with them. The only editing that was done would have been doing multiple takes of that continuous live performance in order to get the "keeper" take.

When Les Paul came along with his "New Sound" or what they used to call "Sound On Sound", most times he had only himself or he and Mary Ford playing and stacking all the tracks. Instead of hiring 5 vocalists, along with a drummer, bassist, and perhaps 10 guitarists to cut a "live" take, we instead got 12 Les Pauls and 5 Mary Fords stacking sounds atop each other, track after track, to create an ensemble recording out of two people's musical performances.

That is pure illusion, pure alternate reality. It didn't exist prior to 1947 or so in the popular music realm, and that technique forever changed music. At the time, it was also called a gimmick, a fad, a false reality, etc by musical purists. They wanted to capture a full group as it performed live, whether it be classical, jazz, country...and some still do in 2024. But the illusion created by new technology, specifically magnetic tape and multitrack recording machines moved popular music miles ahead of where it would have been.

And the issue of magnetic tape: Editing became possible. If you had a group, or even a single spoken word artist, who had recorded 10 takes of a song, but none of those takes was "the one", a skillful engineer with a razor blade, a cutting block, and adhesive tape could patch together the best segments from those 10 takes and create a continuous recording which the majority of listeners would be fooled into thinking was a single live continuous take. Again, technology created a false reality, an alternate reality, but that technology allowed the creators to make records which were more perfect than would be humanly possible.

Tape editing became not only a skill but an art form. Instead of doing a straight cut, engineers could cut and splice angles to create seamless crossfades and deliberate effects. Instead of just connecting the first minute of take 2 with the last two minutes of take 7, they could razor-blade individual tracks in and out of the performance. It was used by experimental artists but probably brought to the mainstream by way of Good Vibrations, where the tape editing became part of the performance itself and created a #1 hit record. It wasn't used as a gimmick or a comedy prop, but rather played an integral role in the performance captured on the recording. Add to that the ability to loop tapes continuously, which was probably codified in popular music by The Beatles and Tomorrow Never Knows, and seen through into the 70's when the Bee Gees unknowingly created the robotic, precise nature of dance music by using the same 2-bar drum loop on 3 smash hit disco singles in the mid-70's because their drummer had to leave the sessions due to a family emergency and they didn't want to halt work on the tracks.

I could go on, and move into digital sequencing, digital recording, DAW's, and all that, but I think those gaps can be filled into the story.

It's an illusion, it's creating alternate reality from the point where a musician performs a passage of music and that recording gets distributed to and heard by listeners.

As such, how is the AI technology in the timeline of recording technology development any different than those previous developments? People who I guess were considered "purists" also criticized Les Paul's recordings, Bill Putnam's effects, the techniques of editing tapes in general, and a whole host of other developments through the years. Claims that it was not natural, it wasn't pure, it would create "lazy" musicians or put musicians out of work, it wasn't reality...Again, consider that recording music and distributing it to listeners in a multitude of formats is in itself creating an alternate reality and an aural illusion.

It's all in how the technology is used, and what kind of art is created with the technology. Artists use tools to create a work: If you give different artists those same tools and turn them loose, isn't it foolish to assume each of those artists will create some form of "high art" with them? It's like giving a hammer, nails, and wood to 10 people and expecting all 10 to create something valid or useful with those materials. One of those 10 might decide to smash the foot of another with the hammer, Three Stooges-style, to get a laugh...how can that be controlled other than someone saying not to do it? And if their goal was to create a comedy skit, to get laughs at the expense of someone else's foot, isn't that as comedy a valid use of the tools as well?

So much to digest, I've already gone too far. But consider AI as used to create these tracks is only another tool in the development of recorded sound. If people choose to make high art, or create pure crap, it's not the technology creating the end result as long as a human is inputting the data and parameters into the AI generators. And if people like one use of it, but not another use of the same technology, that's their own hang-ups and tastes.

Now if AI turns into HAL, that's another story. 

Yeah this largely how I look at these AI creations, specifically the cool stuff Dae Lims has been doing.  No it's not the "real" thing, but it can be appreciated on its own as a fun "what if" presentation.  Of course I can see how problematic these AI creations can be and legal headaches they might present.  But I would be lying if I said I wasn't digging a lot of the work Dae Lims has offered us.  I especially loved his "completed" take on "Walk On By" and his recently deleted "Beatles" version of Paul McCartney's unreleased "Return To Pepperland" was downright fantastic.

Hearing that he has dementia made me very sad, too. Really sad news for all Beach Boys fans, to know that he will never make another album, never be able to give concerts again.

Yeah it's unlikely we'll get much more from him.  Although he is slated to appear on that forthcoming Glen Campbell duets album as well as Fred Veil's country album.  Not sure when his parts were recorded (the Glen Campbell thing I believe was recorded after his last tour). 

The "Sail on Sailor" set is doubly a game changer, because for the folks who think it's all about Brian, it (and of course the "Feel Flows" set as well) proves the other guys were turning out excellent material. And then, for those who conversely assume Brian played no role in things by that point, and just slept through the whole trip other than singing the opening line on "Saga", there's a bunch of quintessential Brian stuff that we had never heard before.

Right on! 

Agreed.  That early 70's period saw the Beach Boys behaving like a collaborative unit where everyone brought something to the table. It also allowed Wilson brothers Carl and especially Dennis to come into their own outside of Brian's shadow.  And having Ricky and Blondie involved gave the group a much-appreciated edge they never had before or since.  So the SOS set is by all accounts essential listening.

Gotta say -- it's an incorrect assumption that anything was sidelined due to "sales" -- poor, or otherwise.
Trust me, there's PLENTY going on.

Good to hear from you, Howie.  Haven't heard much from you these days and was starting to wonder...

I'm not seeing a thread for it here but it has just been announced that he will appear on that Glen Campbell duets album coming out.  There were photos from that recording session taken back in late 2022. 

While I personally dig most of the content Dae Lims has presented us, I have to admit that this whole AI thing is a double-edged sword. Although I can totally appreciate Dae Lims's talents and creative use of the technology, this is not the "real" deal.  This kind of technology can produce all sorts of chaos and problems if not managed responsibly.  That said, I can still enjoy these creations as "fan art" that serves as a curious "what if" of sorts.

Has your Chrome browser been updated lately? It may have been set to no longer access sites that use http instead of https (which costs extra for websites, and some of us site owners can't afford to pay extra). There may be a setting in the browser you can change to let you access "unsecured" http sites.

I don't use Chrome, but I do use multiple browsers on all my devices, for situations like you encountered.

I can check.  It was working fine on my phone several weeks ago and it works fine on my Chrome browser on my PC.  So not sure what happened.  Just wanted to make sure the board wasn't down again.  :-)

Did I jinx something with this post?  😂

Dae Lims definitely deserves credit for putting all this overblown AI technology to creative use producing most rewarding results.  I'm still not entirely clear how he utilizes the tech though.  Is he singing the vocals himself and then running his voice through an AI genorator to change his voice to whomever he wants?  If that's the case then you have to really appreciate his skill.  Because I'm assuming you have to adopt the phrasing and tonality of the desired singer's voice to really pull off sounding like them.  In this most recent offering you can really pick out "Carl" and "Al" in the appropriate places.

I was born in 1977, but I am sure that those of you who saw him at that time were thinking it may not be much longer for Brian. His 1976 tour was strange, but hopeful. He trimmed down and started to look better in interviews and on stage. Then he went downhill again into the early 80s. Where I am sure, many were thinking, this could be the last time we see Brian! But he recovered, and it was another Beach Boy we lost!

Fast forward to 2001. The first time I saw Brian live, doing the Pet Sounds tour. I never thought I would ever see him live again, unless he rejoined the Beach Boys touring band. I thought this might be the only time I would see him live!
But I have seen him 5 times! The last was 2016! I missed the Zombie tour unfortunately. I don't think I could afford it at the time.

I know that Brian can look out of it at times. Then other time seem happy and into it. This is nothing new. I remember during a rehearsal for the Smile tour, on the Beautiful Dreamer documentary, Brian was staring off and barely participating. He then drove himself to the emergency room. He later said he was experiencing audio hallucinations. I don't know if the general public knew this had been a problem since the 60s, but it was the first time I heard it! Makes me think of his 70s shows differently.

Finally, we get to the past year. Long Promised Road was probably the saddest documentary I have seen with Brian! Other than some moments in the studio, he just seemed off. Especially, when he was riding in the car, talking about the past, and listening to songs. The moment he hears of Jack Rieley's death is heart breaking! I believe Brian has stated before that death scares him. I can't help but think that he is depressed because he knows he doesn't have much longer. Then I saw a fan video of Brian singing God Only Knows (I think last summer?). He sings the beginning, then stops. I think Matt Jardine sings the rest. Brian looks off stage and seems to be in a lot of emotional (possibly physical) pain. It's heart breaking!

All I can say is that I am thankful for what Brian has given us. In the last 20 years, we have seen moments of greatness from Brian! That Lucky Old Sun and Gershwin were top notch productions and every bit as good as his 60s work! I hope Brian is doing ok today! I don't need anything else from him. He has given us more than we ever thought possible! But I hope he can be at peace for the last (hopefully long) years Brian is with us!

I dunno about Long Promised Road being "sad"; he actually seemed to be doing pretty well in that movie and seemed to genuinely like hanging with Jason Fine.  The scene where he's calling out to a random pedestrian while in Jason's car asking them a question is pretty amusing and vintage BW quirkiness.  He was a lot more "with it" during that movie than he would be a few years later when he returned to touring.

Well, he had his moments. I was thinking specifically about when he heard Jack Rieley died.

But compared to Beautiful Dreamer, That Lucky Old Sun, and even the No Pier Pressure mini docs, he seems to be in worse shape. Possibly more of a physical issue with his back than emotional. Obviously, he had his sad moments in Beautiful Dreamer as well.

Well yeah physically he isn't in great shape.  Yeah he seemed devastated over hearing of Jack's passing (although I can't help but wonder if someone had already told him this before...) and him listening to his brother's solo album was touching.  But other than that he seemed to be in a good place mentally for most of the film. 

[Playback]

Prior to the new recordings for the LPR soundtrack, was Brian's most recent recording "Run James Run" for the "Playback" release?

Vocally, I guess you could say so. Though keep in mind only the verse lyrics were recorded in 2017 (?) for Playback, the backing track and the rest of the vocals were recorded years earlier for No Pier Pressure with an Al lead.

But Brian's most recent recordings besides Long Promised Road would actually be his instrumental album, 2021's At My Piano.

As I had mentioned earlier in the thread there were pictures of Brian in the studio recording sometime after his last tour.  Thought I heard something that he might be contributing to a Glenn Campbell tribute album but don't quote me on that.  I believe Al Jardine recently mentioned that Brian was even working on a new album but Al has gotten the facts wrong a time or two in recent years (*ahem* 60th anniversary reunion...?). 

Has your Chrome browser been updated lately? It may have been set to no longer access sites that use http instead of https (which costs extra for websites, and some of us site owners can't afford to pay extra). There may be a setting in the browser you can change to let you access "unsecured" http sites.

I don't use Chrome, but I do use multiple browsers on all my devices, for situations like you encountered.

I can check.  It was working fine on my phone several weeks ago and it works fine on my Chrome browser on my PC.  So not sure what happened.  Just wanted to make sure the board wasn't down again.  :-)

This might just be my phone but is anyone else getting random connectivity problems accessing this board recently?  All of a sudden my Chrome on my phone is giving me a "Your connection is not private " warning message and won't let me access this site.  However my generic Samsung browser on said phone doesn't seem to be having any issues (haven't yet tried my PC browser yet).  

I was born in 1977, but I am sure that those of you who saw him at that time were thinking it may not be much longer for Brian. His 1976 tour was strange, but hopeful. He trimmed down and started to look better in interviews and on stage. Then he went downhill again into the early 80s. Where I am sure, many were thinking, this could be the last time we see Brian! But he recovered, and it was another Beach Boy we lost!

Fast forward to 2001. The first time I saw Brian live, doing the Pet Sounds tour. I never thought I would ever see him live again, unless he rejoined the Beach Boys touring band. I thought this might be the only time I would see him live!
But I have seen him 5 times! The last was 2016! I missed the Zombie tour unfortunately. I don't think I could afford it at the time.

I know that Brian can look out of it at times. Then other time seem happy and into it. This is nothing new. I remember during a rehearsal for the Smile tour, on the Beautiful Dreamer documentary, Brian was staring off and barely participating. He then drove himself to the emergency room. He later said he was experiencing audio hallucinations. I don't know if the general public knew this had been a problem since the 60s, but it was the first time I heard it! Makes me think of his 70s shows differently.

Finally, we get to the past year. Long Promised Road was probably the saddest documentary I have seen with Brian! Other than some moments in the studio, he just seemed off. Especially, when he was riding in the car, talking about the past, and listening to songs. The moment he hears of Jack Rieley's death is heart breaking! I believe Brian has stated before that death scares him. I can't help but think that he is depressed because he knows he doesn't have much longer. Then I saw a fan video of Brian singing God Only Knows (I think last summer?). He sings the beginning, then stops. I think Matt Jardine sings the rest. Brian looks off stage and seems to be in a lot of emotional (possibly physical) pain. It's heart breaking!

All I can say is that I am thankful for what Brian has given us. In the last 20 years, we have seen moments of greatness from Brian! That Lucky Old Sun and Gershwin were top notch productions and every bit as good as his 60s work! I hope Brian is doing ok today! I don't need anything else from him. He has given us more than we ever thought possible! But I hope he can be at peace for the last (hopefully long) years Brian is with us!

I dunno about Long Promised Road being "sad"; he actually seemed to be doing pretty well in that movie and seemed to genuinely like hanging with Jason Fine.  The scene where he's calling out to a random pedestrian while in Jason's car asking them a question is pretty amusing and vintage BW quirkiness.  He was a lot more "with it" during that movie than he would be a few years later when he returned to touring.

Wasn't this the album that got caught up in the Sony "rootkit" controversy?

While not a major deal when it came to Brian specifically, it slightly tainted a lot of releases from around that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

For what it's worth I've been able to rip this CD into iTunes on more than one occasion using various PC's I owned at the time.  Not sure if that really applies to the controversy but I never had any problems combating any potential copy protection techniques concerning the album.

I do notice in the few recent pictures we’ve seen he’s looked much better than he did during that final tour

Yeah hopefully he's doing better.  I really hope he isn't pushed into touring any further if he doesn't want to and isn't in good shape for it.  There's been recent videos going around on Facebook of an 89-year-old Frankie Valli hobbling around on stage and is very clearly lip-syncing to a pre-recorded vocal track and it's not a good look.  We don't need Brian going that route.