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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and his second wife
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on: April 21, 2013, 01:22:06 PM
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ok maybe my original post wasn't very good so let me clarify. It just seems like a terrible psychological experience to be married to a famous lead singer of a group that was at the time the most popular in the country at the age of 17 and live in a house that cost "three gold records" and then have it all be taken away from you by the time you're 22.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Mike and his second wife
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on: April 20, 2013, 11:23:35 AM
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does anyone here think it was sort of crummy what Mike did? From what I recall, he cradle robbed a 17 year old, had two kids with her, would occasionally beat her (according to Gaines, had a short fuse at the time) and when they split, he blamed it on her, got legal rights over his children, and left her with basically no money.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / should "American Family" have had a part three?
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on: April 14, 2013, 03:41:05 AM
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it seems like the second part was very, shall I say, half-assed. What should have been done was to divide it into two parts (Pet Sounds through 20/20 and Sunflower through Endless Summer). The second part would be similar to what was in the movie but maybe slightly more in depth concerning Brian's brief time in an institution, and the Wild Honey through Friends albums.
The third part was where a lot was left out IMO. They should have gone more into their personal lives beside Brian's. Maybe talk about Dennis' relationship with Barbara (she supposedly did a decent job of keeping him under control). I also don't recall any mention of Jack Rieley and think they should have mentioned how he steered them in a more progressive direction. The main two problems I had in the movie was 1. acting as if Bruce never left the group and 2. no mention of BC and RF and their stay in Holland. I think the movie also undersold Carl and that early 70s period might have been a good time to give a more detailed insight into him as well as his own descent into drug use. It might have also been a good idea to show more about Brian as something other than a drugged out corpse. Maybe talk about his contribution to American Spring or his conflict of interest with his sister in law.
So do you think this would have been legitimate improvements or do you think the movie was incurable?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / thoughts/musing on Pet Sounds
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on: April 07, 2013, 05:19:23 PM
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The gist of this may have already been said before, but does anyone agree with me that the album is sort of like an intermission of the 60s. Even though it came out when the decade was 60% done, it seems like if one was to watch a documentary on the 60s, then the time the album came out (end of 65 beginning of 66) would have been sort of a halfway point where people could go get refreshments and the likes. I could sort of picture the song "Let's Go Away for Awhile" to be that particular intermission song. To me, in addition to being appropriately named for an intermission song, it sort of encapsulates the time around 1966 and sounds like background music on the Andy Williams Show.
But also, it would be appropriate since it would mark the intermission of the 60s itself. I kind of see it as the sort of turning point between the drag racing, fun 'n' sun, and general American Graffitti atmosphere beforehand and the remaining years of the decade with antiwar protests, race riots and the emergence of the counterculture and more liberal attitudes toward sex and drug use. Now if one is a hardcore Zephead or Black Sabbath fan, then you're probably wondering how it got #2 on the Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums list. But if one approaches the album as a sort of deep and emotionally raw album, then it makes a lot more sense. And the album is also sort of a soundtrack to America of 1966, because the words in the song are what plenty of other people were probably thinking (albeit in a different context). Just like Great Society America had a vision of a limitless America, so too was there beginning to be a culture of skepticism accompanied with the rise of societal ills. Even though the song is about a relationship between two young people, "Wouldn't It Be Nice", with a few lyrics changed, could just as easily be about what some people thought about America at the time.
Lastly, I see the album in some regards as a precursor or even a prequel to the Dark Side of the Moon. Although Dark Side has a lot more guitar usage, they both seem to be about the general mood of a person and the thought of growing up (you are young and life is long and there is time to kill today). The only difference was that Dark Side was released when the tumult and counterculture of the late 60s/early 70s was dying down and was sort of a reflection on the years in between. Alright I'm sort of sounding like a stoner, but does anyone sort of agree with me, at least in theory?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: were they lacking in a lennon -esque figure?
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on: March 17, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
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I love a lot of Lennon's music but as a person he was pretty dark.
That's what I liked the most about Lennon. The songs like "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" or "Don't Let Me Down" are really powerful songs. As I said earlier, Dennis in some ways was the closest thing to a Lennon figure. That "all things that live must one day die you know" verse sounds like something that might have been on something like Mind Games.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys vs Beatles in the same years
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on: March 16, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
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My point is, when I listen to Pet Sounds as an album, I hear....Sunshine Pop, Folk Rock, Baroque Pop and Pop Rock...and all four of those are very close obviously, with Pop Rock being the root...leaning heavily on the pop side. don't you mean Revolver? Pet Sounds isn't really a rock album as it is sort of a classical one.
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