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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 16, 2018, 10:44:48 AM
NOBODY wants a movie filled with session tape transcripts.

Unless the session tape transcripts state: "Hey Chuck! Is it possible we can bring a horse in here...?"
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson done barbershop quartet style! on: April 15, 2018, 05:29:25 AM
This dude can sing barbershop quartet. Most of the BQ songs I listen to on Youtube are quite sloppy, but this guy is crisp and precise. A fun (fun, fun) take on the song. Thanks.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lydia Cornell interview: working at Caribou Ranch, dating Dennis Wilson and more on: April 09, 2018, 02:25:22 AM
Lydia Cornell... Well, I will just say that most guys were not watching the show for Ted Knight, although I did enjoy his acting style for sitcoms.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin CD on: April 09, 2018, 02:22:57 AM
I really liked 1408.

In fact, 1408 and 409 are both guilty pleasures of mine.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'Beach Baby' by First Class and Endless Summer Concurrent Chart Runs on: April 07, 2018, 02:19:48 PM
I think Beach Baby sounded like a Beach Boys song. To those who do not study each note of every song the Beach Boys sang, that is.  LOL It has the nasally lead and the stacked harmonies.

If you get a good copy and listen with headphones, you can hear the splices for the harmony parts for some reason. And for what it is worth, I think the band accredited to this song is called "The First Class" not "First Class".  Considering that they were a UK group singing about L.A. in a style much like another famous harmony band from southern California, I would say they were "borrowing" this style of song from The Beach Boys.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin CD on: April 04, 2018, 01:57:16 AM
Why not? One could draw these parallels between Stephen King and the Beach Boys: The material came from a brilliant mind that have been to dark places. Like the Beach Boys songs, Stephen King's films could be broken down into categories where there are offerings that:

Are very good, but not as well-known (Stand By Me, The Green Mile, Misery and 1408);

Appeal to the mainstream audiences (It, Carrie, The Shining) and then;

Are intentionally less serious offerings (Creepshow, Creepshow 2, Maximum Overdrive, The Mangler).

The Beach Boys are referenced in his books and films. I am a big fan of both the Beach Boys and Stephen King. Maybe it is sort of finding a balance in life? To the casual fan the Beach Boys were upbeat and positive and Stephen King was dark and creepy. It is only when you delve into their work a bit more you find that they each wove in and out of their publicly pigeonholed genres quite a bit.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was \ on: March 25, 2018, 04:27:17 AM
I grew up in northern Massachusetts and Good Timin' was played quite a bit. I thought it was pretty big for a few weeks. I remember one of the Beach Boys specials (maybe one of the Fourth of July shows) where Carl started out beautifully, but then muffed the lyrics in the first verse - replacing the last two lines with the second verse lyrics. He very obviously winced and then sang the second verse with the original lyrics as well. So as a result, he accidentally overemphasized the "a celebration, of being together" lines, but in the context of the concert where so many people were joined together, it was kind of fitting too. A Bob Ross happy accident'.

I am in NH now. I love the song and still hear it on occasion in supermarkets and gas stations along with Brian's Your Imagination.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: March 12, 2018, 02:24:46 AM
I doubt it will happen but i would love if the rest of the “life suite” was on it

Yes. What he said. Or at least another track or two.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 04, 2018, 02:17:40 AM
I wonder what would have happened in an alternate world where The Beach Boys released Surf City rather than Jan & Dean. Would it have charted the same way?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 03, 2018, 02:44:37 AM
I love Barbara Ann as well. Always did, but even moreso once I heard it in context on the Party! album. From 'baa baa black sheep, have you any wool?' to the warbling, nearly drunken outro to the "Thank you Dean". It sounds spontaneous, energetic, fun and impossibly full. Kudos to Dean as Barbara Ann was a great choice.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 02, 2018, 03:47:12 AM
Quote from: relx
Think about something like the instrumental break in "Don't Worry Baby." Maybe the most beautiful BB song, but that break is horrid. Now, the break doesn't detract from the quality of the song, but you can't really say that its a model of musicianship and production technique.

Horrid? That instrumental break is perfect for the song. Those chords (E and A) feel like a callback to Shut Down (Db and Ab) and Shut Down Part 2 (intro: D and A) - also about car racing. Unless I am cracking up. For me it lends continuity to an album with different themes and in this case, less is more and makes it stand out, yet fit in. Like the break in Sloop John B where Brian drops the instruments leaving just the voices. Jaw-dropping, actually.

It comes down to feeling. Don't sing it like you wrote it. Sing it like you lived it, breathed it and feel it. A good example is how Carl really let it go in Shortenin' Bread. What a goofy song, but he sounded like he was having a blast.

Jan and Dean had some fun songs. They were often amateurish, but that was part of their charm. Side 4 of the Anthology album was an acquired taste to me, but I can appreciate it more now. I have all of their stuff and love singing the background stuff when listening to Jennie Lee, Baby Talk, Linda, Popsicle (a seriously fun song to sing along with) and the surf/car songs, of course.

But with that said, even if Brian learned things from Jan, it is not indicative of Jan being better or even on par with Brian. It is more likely to be Brian's ability to recognize what he feels is important or what can be useful and adapt it to "his sound". This is not an "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" case, but more like, "I like where you were going with that idea, but I am going to take it into a different direction" case.

(edited for stupid mistakes made due to lack of coffee.)
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs Inspired by The Beach Boys on: February 25, 2018, 08:10:15 AM
For me, the most obvious one is The First Class song Beach Baby. I love the song, but on a high-quality recording with headphones, the edits are so painfully obvious. It is a fun song that I cannot help but sing along to.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: January 23, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
So we finally get the long-missing piece of the "they canceled our screening" story (which I had heard some time back), which is that Jonah and Justin FINALLY for once voted against Mike.

I am not clear on this. Did Jonah and Justyn vote against Mike, or were their votes enough of a majority where Mike's vote would not make a difference so he didn't have to bother? It seems to me that if there were time constraints and Mike was dragging his feet, they had every right to vote however they wanted.

Anyone know how Justyn and Jonah get along with Uncle Brian?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's band playing covers on: January 13, 2018, 03:14:53 AM
Eemagine that.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holland was released 45 years ago today. on: January 10, 2018, 02:29:28 AM
Usually I'm one to detach emotion from music and just listen analytically,  but I don't spin Holland often because it puts me in a depressed mood. Something about those songs, the sound, and even the cover bring me right down.

I like the songs, Mike's line at the end of Funky Pretty is one of the best  contrapunctal melodies they did.

But something about it makes me feel despondent. Only Beach Boys album (in my collection) to do that

SiP does that to me. But it's a Love thing.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holland was released 45 years ago today. on: January 09, 2018, 03:28:15 AM
I think Holland is the Beach Boys most successful foray into 1970s rock.  Unlike Sunflower and Surf's Up, Holland featured longer songs with some very good instrumental solos (Steamboat, Leaving This Town) which is absent on most BB material.  One cant help but wonder what would've become of The Beach Boys had they stayed on this path.

For me, most of the lengthier solos and interludes are unwelcome on a Beach Boys album. I like the Steamboat solo as it really fits the song well, but Leaving This Town is way to long and rambling for me. Otherwise, the Holland album is killer though.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: In The Back of My Mind 1975 on: January 09, 2018, 03:15:34 AM
I am sorry to read about that, but it is inspirational how you came back better.

That may also answer a question I was going to post about Brian's use of a vocal coach. I was always confused as to why the same guy that set the world on fire with tremendously orchestrated multi-part harmonies as well as some soul-wrenching solo vocals would need any guidance whatsoever. He clearly knew how to sing.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations Dennis Vocals on: January 03, 2018, 10:16:41 AM
Some references

From page 139 of Good Vibrations: My Life As A Beach Boy:

Quote from: Mike Love
We were somewhere on the Hollywood Freeway when I recited the next verse.

Close my eyes, she's somehow closer now.
Softly smile, I know she must be kind.
When I look in her eyes.
She goes with me to a blossom world we find.

Then on page 140:
Quote from: Mike Love
My only surprise was that in the last line of the second verse, Brian cut the final words, we find, eliminating the rhyme and ending the sentence with blossom world. I preferred the rhyme, but I cant argue with ending on "blossom world" -- evoking the peace movement that was gaining steam while suggesting the euphoria of being in love.

Johnny Dodd September 13, 2016 04:30 PM
People Celebrity Interview

“‘Softly smile, I know she must be kind,'” he says, reciting another section of lyrics. “‘When I look in her eyes, she goes with me to a blossom world.’ I originally wrote, ‘She goes with me to a blossom world we find,’ but Brian dropped ‘we find’ because he wanted to feature the bass line. Those are the missing two words from ‘Good Vibrations.'”
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations Dennis Vocals on: January 02, 2018, 05:15:20 AM
A while back ago, when I first heard that there was a Brian/Carl splice, I thought that people were cracking up and listening a little too hard. But then I heard it, and it stands out to the point where I am wondering how I missed it before. Just like, I always thought it was odd that the 2nd verse did not rhyme - not even close - until I read in Mike's book that Brian cut the words "we'd find" (or "we'll find"?) from the end (to hear the bass better or something). Of course, now it sounds clunky to add those lyrics, even though it does add 'closure' to the verse.

Good Vibrations is such a great song and it is really eye-opening to discover all of the extremely subtle work that went into getting the sound just right. There are so many layers of sound and some of the tiniest enhancements to get the vocals to sound perfect. Nuances that the album buying public was never meant to dissect to the degree that we do. If Brian knew then that he would have so many people picking apart every aspect of his songwriting, lyrics, chord structure and production techniques, his head would have exploded! But it's exactly why we appreciate his music more with every listen. So many layers to peel back and so much to discover.

On a (sort of) related comment, did you even notice that during a concert, some of the Beach Boys are mouthing parts that they clearly are not singing? Usually well out of microphone range. You may see Al mouthing the lyrics to a song Brian is singing or Dennis singing along to certain parts that he is obviously not singing at that moment. Is that the band just getting into the music - or is that a subtle sign that there may have been parts where their voices were overdubbed or blended at one time in the studio and it almost an automatic response? In other words, I am wondering if it is an indication that maybe what was thought to be a double-tracked Brian vocal, is really a Brian/Al double-tracked vocal.

Sorry for the tangent.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: “Do It Again” remake named one of the worst songs of the year by Stereogum on: December 31, 2017, 06:08:30 AM
It's not awful, to be honest the original is way overrated anyway.

I can see how folks nowadays may say that, but back in the day when your only opportunity to hear hits was on the radio as the songs came out, it deserved the high ratings it received. Our local radios stations let us call in to request songs, so what we heard was usually what was demanded by the audience of those stations.

And as members of the radio audience were concerned, The Beach Boys were just coming off of the head-scratching Pet Sounds album after a string of career-defining feel-good songs; most recently Barbara Ann. Wouldn't it be Nice was played quite a bit, but the rest of Pet Sounds didn't really make the radio waves in my area. Probably Sloop John B,  but I do not remember.

Of course, Smiley Smile had Good Vibrations and Heroes and Villains (to a lesser degree); Wild Honey had Darlin'; and Friends had - maybe Friends? - but I do not recall hearing Friends on the radio much growing up. That is not exactly a string of hits from a band that was putting out 2-3 albums per year and producing hits on every album.

Then you put 20/20 on the turntable and cue up Do It Again. The unique drum sounds kick off the track and the background chatter made the song feel more intimate and loose. Do It Again did exactly what the title said. It immediately brought you back to the mystique of the California sound and was a welcome return to form for a lot of fans who grew up with the fun-in-the-sun songs.

As beautiful as the other songs from those albums were - and they were (and still are, of course) - it is usually as one grows older and lives through more of life's scenarios that you really appreciate them. A song like Do It Again comes along and grabs you immediately, draws you in and gets you singing along. It was at a time in our history where a nostalgic song was needed.

So I will have to respectfully say I disagree with the statement that Do It Again is overrated. I think that in this case they Beach Boys chose wisely.

I do however agree that Mike's rendition and the ANNOYING 'Do It's" from McGrath are cringeworthy. Mike chose... poorly.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Methods that the band used to get into the zone for vocals? on: December 28, 2017, 05:33:06 AM
I have always been amazed at how the boys could go from 0-60 so quickly. Silence, a collective deep breath and then... perfect harmony. You can hear it a lot in the session recordings. One minute they are laughing and goofing around, then in the next breath 100% perfection. Unless it was just edited to sound that way, but you can hear it live too. I would love to know what they did (if anything) to hit the marks like that too. But it may be that they are just that good.

I know what you mean with Al - I have seen that too. As a guitar player, it bothers me when he stops playing and starts making hand gestures. I assume it is similar to guitar players who make faces when they hit certain notes?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Mike Love Interview: Dan Rather Big Interview on: December 28, 2017, 05:25:33 AM
Please delete this if it was already discussed.  I spent a good amount of time searching for it using "Dan Rather" as a keyword and did not see anything other than a passing reference to "a recent Dan Rather interview" mentioned.

Mike Love was featured on the Season 4 episode 16 of Dan Rather's Big Interview series. The brief description was, "The original Beach Boys frontman discusses the group and his relationship with Brian Wilson."

He came off pretty good to me. Mostly everything we have heard before - Mike touches on TM, drug use and how everything would be great if he and Brian could be in a room together, blah, blah, blah.  The exception was when Rather asked Mike about his infamous HoF speech. Mike started to explain what he meant to accomplish, then pretty much admitted he handled it poorly and that he has since apologized to those he called out. I had it on in the background waiting to watch Brian Wilson and Friends so I wasn't paying a lot of attention.

Mike's eyes looked terrible. They were red at the beginning of the interview and it looked like he had a scratch under his left eye later in the program. For some reason, I was completely grossed out by his fingernails. I expect they are manicured and have some sort of coating on them, but they look like creepy cadaver hands to me. The length and color just looked wrong.

I will have to see when it airs again.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Podcast with Jeffrey Foskett, Philip Bardowell, Chuck Girard, Dan Addington on: December 24, 2017, 04:06:24 AM
Click here for link
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al’s New Christmas Song – “Sunshine to Snowflakes” on: December 16, 2017, 04:43:26 AM
Al's voice is amazing without the qualifier "for a 75 year old guy" but when you add that, his voice is impossibly good. Not sure about the lyrics yet, but I do like the coast-to-coast aspect of the song. The beginning guitar riff reminds me of a less powerful version of the intro for It's A Beautiful Day.

The background vocals sound generic overall. I would love to hear some prominent bass background vocals and maybe some high-end harmonies in the mix as well, but Al never asked my opinion.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did the beach boys do better than the beatles? on: December 12, 2017, 02:10:21 PM

Conversely with harmony, unless you are familiar with  different styles of harmony, for example, close part jazz harmony and doo wop, and unless you can judge which of those is better in a way that everyone accepts, then how can you possibly say which band is better at harmonizing.

You can use as many technical terms as you want, ultimately it's subjective. 

Well, subjectively, the Beach Boys were much better at harmonies than the Beatles. I am not knocking the Beatles, because they are an amazing band with a tremendous amount of talent, but the subject of the thread is what do the Beach Boys do Better than the Beatles. I can say that the Beach Boys harmonies have made me happy and they have made me sad. They have made me laugh and they have made me cry. They are stunningly beautiful. I am not familiar with all the different styles of harmonies, but I know the Beach Boys harmonies touch me on such a personal level that I should sue them for harassment. 

Other bands have harmonies that are very good at times, but they are good to the ear. The original Beach Boys harmonies (Brian, Carl, Dennis, Al, Mike and Bruce) reach beyond the ear, and poke into the soul sometimes getting tangled up there and absorbed. Their harmonies were so great that they cannot even be reproduced by any of the iterations of the band that have popped up throughout the years. They can sing the notes, but their harmonies always sound like a cover band doing a very good job at reproducing a sound rather than a group singing as if each note meant something special.

I have seen the term technically proficient thrown about in this subject - usually with respect to George Harrison's playing vs. Carl. But Carl had a very personal feel in his solos that I have never heard reproduced. I have heard Beatles cover bands that sound strikingly like the original Beatles, but I have never heard anyone play Carl's leads and sound exactly like Carl. Maybe it's just me.

But because Yngwie Malmsteen is more technically proficient than Eddie Van Halen, does that make him better? I don't think so. Music has feeling. Clapton has it. Page has it. Dave Davies has it. Berton Averre has it. The list is endless. Some are more technically proficient, but some just feel better and they feel better on a consistent basis. That is why I really like The Beach Boys. They consistently make me relate to the music on some level for some reason. No other band - no matter how much I like their music - has done that.
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