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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #5 FINAL THREE: Carl Wilson's Youngblood on: September 08, 2014, 04:19:24 PM
Givin' You Up
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #6 FINAL THREE: Brian Wilson's Brian Wilson on: September 08, 2014, 04:18:33 PM
Melt Away
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #5: Carl Wilson's Youngblood on: September 04, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
What More Can I Say
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #6: Brian Wilson's Brian Wilson on: September 04, 2014, 04:08:19 PM
Rio Grande
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #4 FINAL THREE: Mike Love's \ on: September 04, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
"Teach Me Tonight," though I would have preferred "Over and Over" or "Paradise Found."
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #5: Carl Wilson's Youngblood on: September 02, 2014, 02:35:34 PM
What You Do to Me
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #4: Mike Love's \ on: September 02, 2014, 02:34:10 PM
One Good Reason.  I'm glad it's lasted this long, but it's not as good as the others.
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #6: Brian Wilson's Brian Wilson on: September 02, 2014, 02:32:25 PM
Rio Grande
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #6: Brian Wilson's Brian Wilson on: August 29, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
There's So Many
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #4: Mike Love's \ on: August 29, 2014, 02:52:46 PM
On and On and On
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #5: Carl Wilson's Youngblood on: August 29, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
Too Early to Tell
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #6: Brian Wilson's Brian Wilson on: August 27, 2014, 01:37:41 PM
Meet Me In My Dreams Tonight, I suppose has got to go.

Not before "There's So Many," it doesn't.
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #4: Mike Love's \ on: August 27, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
On and On and On
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #5: Carl Wilson's Youngblood on: August 27, 2014, 01:35:20 PM
One More Night Alone
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: UMe Beach Boys LP Reissues - 9/16/14 on: August 25, 2014, 03:59:24 PM
Capitol's "limited" releases are usually around for years and considering the other BB titles are still around, these will probably be around just as long.

Ah.  In that case, I won't worry about it.  Thanks!
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: UMe Beach Boys LP Reissues - 9/16/14 on: August 25, 2014, 07:58:23 AM
Does anybody know how many of these are getting pressed?  I'm temporarily relocating to Japan later this week, and was wondering whether there will likely be any available when I get back next June or if I should order them and get them shipped to a relative.
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #6: Brian Wilson's Brian Wilson on: August 25, 2014, 07:54:55 AM
One for the Boys
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #4: Mike Love's \ on: August 25, 2014, 07:54:27 AM
'cos Lookin' Back with the Lovester is worse
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #5: Carl Wilson's Youngblood on: August 25, 2014, 07:53:55 AM
She's Mine
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How were the Beach Boys recieved in the late 60s/70s? on: August 23, 2014, 01:11:43 PM
1. The Beach Boys were whistleblowers who exposed a hidden business practice that Capitol Records was taking advantage of to the tune of potentially millions of dollars which they were not paying to the artists who should have gotten a portion of that money. This was brought out in the 1967 lawsuit that led to both a $250,000 settlement for the band *and* the setup of Brother Records, which on paper would have given the band somewhat of an autonomy to make their own decisions while still remaining in Capitol's marketing and distribution chain.

But consider the implications of that: The Beach Boys got the money, they got Brother Records, but they also cost Capitol money, they exposed a not-so-honest business practice which was only discovered through a deep financial audit, and what we don't hear is how many other artists may have followed up on the same thing regarding their own books...to the tune of saying "The Beach Boys got ripped off, hey...did they do that to us too?". I know Allen Klein for one used a very similar tactic to win clients for himself by having a team of lawyers and accountants go over an artist's books and find money that he could win back for that artist, and it was usually something like the breakage/returns case that the Beach Boys won after suing Capitol. And Capitol had also not paid Brian Wilson certain producers' royalties and credits which he was due.

Capitol I'm sure wasn't too happy with this whole scene, and it could add an element to why certain marketing and business decisions were less than they could or should have been regarding the band post-lawsuit in 67, at least in the US. There may have been a price to be paid for blowing the whistle on a major label. Just a thought.

Interesting theory.  The one thing I would caution about is that even though the lawsuit cost Capitol Records money, the fact that The Beach Boys' records stopped selling as well as they did earlier in the decade also cut back on the company's profits.  It would take a lot of spite on the part of Capitol to sabotage one of their own band's careers (which is not to say that that isn't what happened).  On the other hand, it's possible that the lawsuit irreparably damaged their relationship so that the band and Capitol weren't able to coordinate an updating of the band's image as well as they might have had they been on better terms.
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #5: Carl Wilson's Youngblood on: August 23, 2014, 05:55:07 AM
She's Mine
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #6: Brian Wilson's Brian Wilson on: August 23, 2014, 05:53:58 AM
One for the Boys
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Beach Boys Solo Survivor #4: Mike Love's \ on: August 23, 2014, 05:53:10 AM
Looking Back with Love
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Endless Summer Quarterly feedback on: August 22, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
Word - The Beach Boys owe an equal amount of their early success to Gary Usher and Roger Christian.

And there's nothing wrong with putting Mike Love's achievements in perspective.... is there?
Oh come on, they were just riding Brian's coat tails, just like that no-talent lyric writer Mike Love.  Roll Eyes

Compare:

We're always first to hit the lot
And wave to the man in blue now
(Doo run de run de doo run de run de)
It's still so early in the morning
The grass is all covered with dew now
(Doo run de run de doo run de run)


to the Sloop John B backing track. Writing the SJB backing track takes a very smart dude, writing bland lyrics does not. Mike makes himself the most important Beach Boy by shoving Brian aside even though Brian clearly wants to be a Beach Boy again. All because Mike can not handle not being the pivotal figure, due to his disturbed personality.

This is essential: the only way Mike can achieve this is by excluding, eliminating, removing, his competition.

Those lyrics don't really reflect on Mike's lyric-writing abilities, though, as they were written by Roger Christian.
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can someone explain how R&R Music was a Top 10 hit for 6 weeks? on: August 21, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
I personally think the reason why R&R Music has lasted for so long in the Beach Boys setlist is because it works as a kind of nod to Chuck Berry. They used to cover Johnny B. Goode but then had a hit with another one, so they use that. The song too has a good deal of cultural capital. It has been recorded by two other giants: Chuck Berry and The Beatles. There's a good chance that an audience who goes to see the live show would have heard it from one of these three sources.

That's probably true.  I like both the Chuck Berry and Beatles versions of the song, and I liked it when I heard the Beach Boys play it during the C50 tour.  It's a great song that is ruined in album version by production and one of Mike's lesser lead vocals on a rocker, but those problems are easily remedied when it comes to playing it live.
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