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226  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but if Dennis had lived on: September 10, 2012, 12:49:47 PM
Every couple of years or so he would have married another woman, occasionally (deliberately or accidentally) marrying the same one twice, at least until the legalisation of same-sex marriage in California, whereupon he would have executed an amusing but spite-fuelled prank in which by devious means he tricked Mike Love into marrying him.
227  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Diane on: September 09, 2012, 12:18:00 PM
"Everything is wrong and nothing is right" is pretty funny. I mean, if everything is wrong than to say nothing is right is redundant.

I've always felt that that line, and the somewhat inane melody it's set to, rather badly deflate a song that otherwise seemed so loaded with impassioned promise.  (The verses are great, though.)

Always thought it was kind of amusing that people would get upset about lines that are technically redundant.

"Upset" is a strong word.  On a scale from "ravaged with crippling dismay" through to "sufficiently diverted that I might be drawn to comment on it on a Beach Boys themed discussion forum", it's probably towards the latter end of the spectrum.

(Yes, five days.  I've been away.)
228  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: In The Aftermath of SMiLE's Collapse...... on: September 03, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
I don't think he didn't like them, he has said he thought they were too arty and not for the Beach Boys and reportedly felt they were too sophisticated.

Can you give the source for these comments?  Is it Anderle?  I don't doubt Brian said it, but I'd like to read it from the horse's mouth if possible, and especially to know the context.  After all, it's practically a running joke on this board that Brian changes his mind every five minutes and is endlessly contradicting himself.  Was it before or after he sang the gorgeous 1967 version of "Surf's Up" from the box set?
229  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: In The Aftermath of SMiLE's Collapse...... on: September 03, 2012, 05:50:26 AM
mainly Brian's problem with the lyrics

Apologies - I'm sure you've been over this many times before - but what is the evidence that Brian had a problem with the lyrics?  Did he actually criticise them somewhere?  And if they were, as you say, one of his big problems, why ("He Gives Speeches" aside) would he retain these problematic lyrics for the refashioned versions of Smile songs on Smiley?
230  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Not one vocal credit for David Marks on the new album? on: September 03, 2012, 04:16:00 AM
Note that in his discussion with the band in Australia and while on a thread reviewing one show, Jon Blum today reports that Dave is, in fact, singing on Radio (the track and perhaps on more songs, which Jon did not get a change to confirm) and is playing on BIM: the professor had been long maintaining this.  If this is true the liner notes are useless. Now I don't know if it's Dave singing that line I had fixated on, in the refrain, "That's why god {pronounced like the first syllable of "gadget"} but if Dave would sing that line it would sound just like the record. His accent must be a mix of his adopted home in the South Bay and Western PA, where he grew up to 7 (thanks Jon).  Much of the "LA" accent is the product of such middle american migration. Listening to Dave's interviews on "Doing it again" and everywhere else confirms my sense of this. My focus on the topic arises from a desire to perceive correctly the complete participation of all the BB and to make sense of all those promotional videos of him singing.

But of course, just because he IS singing on the song does not mean he's doing that part.  He may be elsewhere and/or low in the mix.

As far as BIM goes, I conclude today that the solo is just not loud enough; the mix is just not right; Dave needs to be way up and the drums down. I love that song, but it needs some doctoring.

In any case, here's to you Dave, my favorite BB. Good to see the true attribution of your labor finally coming to light.

If you don't mind professor, could you stop referring to yourself in the third person?

I've always imagined that when he reads the threads, he forgets which one of the posters is him, and accidentally winds up agreeing with himself.
231  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Diane on: September 01, 2012, 09:03:07 AM
"Everything is wrong and nothing is right" is pretty funny. I mean, if everything is wrong than to say nothing is right is redundant.

I've always felt that that line, and the somewhat inane melody it's set to, rather badly deflate a song that otherwise seemed so loaded with impassioned promise.  (The verses are great, though.)
232  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So what exactly will the 50th Anniversary box set entail? on: August 24, 2012, 09:29:59 AM
(similarly, The Fairytale was almost left off the CATP/Holland 2fer until someone made a fuss and pointed out that the projected Brother Rarities 2CD set where it was slated to appear wasn't set in stone).

While it's great that there are fans who get listened to on these sorts of issues, the fact that we did get a CD reissue of "Mount Vernon & Fairway" but missed out on a 2CD set of Brother Rarities does rather make it look like we won a battle but lost the war.


The tracklisting will be released shortly after the 2 CD GH comp comes out.  They want to make sure we buy the deluxe hits comp to get the single version of "Isn't It Time" BEFORE they tell us that it will be on the box set, naturally.   Evil

Why not just buy the single?
233  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian rehashing music on: August 21, 2012, 11:53:52 AM
County Fair -> I Do?
234  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: any new info on another new BB album? on: August 15, 2012, 01:35:42 PM
I thought Mike's lyrics on Daybreak and Beaches in Mind were duds, I expected more out of him for a 50th anniversary album.  So for a new project, I would hope someone else, like Scott Bennett would be drafted to write the words.

Hell, why not get Van Dyke Parks in to do it?  Just to see what happens.
235  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why does Brian like the number five? on: August 14, 2012, 05:24:37 AM
BACH is the most simple and known way to explain numerology a=1 b=2 etc
Google BACH and numerology you'll find hundreds of sites! I just took one of the first sites I found as example. It's not science but composers long before Bach used numerology in their music. No you cannot hear it, yet they put it in the notes.

I'm aware of this (and if you want a masterpiece of flinging the number 23 around the place, there's no substitute for Berg's Violin Concerto); I just found it amusing that an academic website would make such a silly statement about photos of Bach.  Though admittedly a Google Image Search for 'bach photographs' yields some fun results.
236  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why does Brian like the number five? on: August 14, 2012, 04:30:51 AM
k is not number 11 but 10, if you follow an old numerology system. The answer in this can be found in a quote from http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/arts/dbachfanfare.htm

I must confess that I grew sceptical of this source once I got to:

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The following are useful web site links containing photographs of Bach
237  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why does Brian like the number five? on: August 13, 2012, 11:11:56 AM
Also SMiLE has 5 letters, and in numerology, 18+12+9+11+5=55

Um, 19+13+9+12+5 = 58?  Unless numerology has no letter K, or something.

15 [Big Ones] divided by ([Shut Down Vol.] 2 + (20/20)) = 5
238  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Here is a Mystery ... on: August 12, 2012, 12:05:44 PM
Carl has such a soft mouth, and is probably a great cuddler.

Al: "Hey apple!"

Bruce makes my testes withdraw into my abdomen.

Mike makes Bruce's testes withdraw into my abdomen.

Brian: such a bear.  He and Foskett should grow matching handlebar mustaches and wear Daryl Dragon hats.

Dennis and Ricky could be my pool boys.  Smells like hot chlorine in here!

I'd have to see Blondie in a fuzzy thong with a poofball tail, before I decide where I'd come down on that.

Darian's hair against my velvet thighs: priceless.



 Afro





This is marvellous.  And the bonus homoeroticism provided by your signature takes it right up to the next level.
239  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Details on the new greatest hits albums and remasters on: August 10, 2012, 04:17:52 PM
no mention of a future box set.

Apart from the bit where it says:

Also in the works is a career-spanning 50th Anniversary box set for release later this year.

This appears mostly just to be a regurgitation of the "official" press release.
240  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Details on the new greatest hits albums and remasters on: August 10, 2012, 04:11:20 PM
I hope a box set would mirror the Beatles box set by having all the core studio albums plus a Past Masters type collection featuring non-album singles, B-sides, and whatnot.  Or perhaps it would have to be two box sets because of the large amount of material.

Or perhaps it's not going to be that format at all. Can we have some logical thinking here, please ?

I don't know what's logical here anymore anyway. The remastered albums threw me for a loop, so everything else I surmised about the re-release planning seems off now.

I don't know about anyone else's logic, but one conclusion is that:
 - the Greatest Hits is for the total newbies
 - 50 Big Ones is for slightly more adventurous beginners
 - the remasters will sell to more committed fans, plus newcomers who want to explore the album tracks
 - and then, the only constituency not yet covered is the ridiculous perspective-lacking megafan, and by gum I hope that the box set is for us.
241  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Somewhat painful Bruce Johnston interview in a Dutch magazine on: July 26, 2012, 05:17:11 AM

 No strife in Bruce's life? That's a huge leap, don't you think? EVERYONE has problems, even Bruce Johnston.

Exactly. Have we all forgotten --  or are we simply unable to sympathize -- that his baby mama moved out up to Europe with his kid, and packed her warmth and took her soul? That's enough to make me hate those socialist assholes any day.

I have been dismissing Bruce's opinions on Europe ever since I learned that he thinks it rhymes with "sure of".
242  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys 2012 Remasters! on: July 25, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Phil, I am 100% sure that recorded music will not die.

I'm not saying that it will, but a takeover of EMI Music Worldwide by Vivendi Universal could cause many release plans to be put on hold, until the new owner decides what they want to do with their new property.

I'm guessing that "try and make some money out of it" is going to feature in those priorities at some stage.
243  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Somewhat painful Bruce Johnston interview in a Dutch magazine on: July 25, 2012, 06:02:13 AM
It does surprise me to see people attacking the reporter for doing his job, and writing about a story that's just been handed to him, especially since the story tells readers quite a lot more about its subject than it would have done otherwise.  And surely if nobody was ever allowed to write about things that they weren't strictly meant to have heard, then (a) the entire history and reputation of the Beach Boys would probably be somewhat different, and (b) quite a lot of threads on this board would fall foul of the same rule.
244  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The many punishments of Murry Wilson on: July 12, 2012, 01:25:50 PM
Once, Murry paid a local artisan to craft a mask that looked like Brian and then went out with it on and mooned a bunch of nuns.
1975- 1982 "Brian" was really Murry! Shocked

Yes, Murry locked Brian in a cellar in 1973, and then faked his own death in order to take on Brian's identity.  He got away with it at first by mostly hiding in bed, but by the mid-'70s people were beginning to notice that Brian's appearance, behaviour and voice had all changed somewhat.  Still, though, Murry persevered with this prank, eventually giving the game away in 2004 by finishing Smile.
245  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Never Hated Mike Love Til I Heard This.. on: July 10, 2012, 02:31:03 PM
Again, read what I said; I agree.

You seem rather terse!  I bet there's a heart of gold in there somewhere, though.

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Mike has the wisecracking sense of humor and that, I believe is why he was chosen to record the skit.

A fair point, though presumably Mike's propensity towards wisecracking in his public persona may also give us some clues as to ways he might have behaved in private.
246  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Never Hated Mike Love Til I Heard This.. on: July 10, 2012, 02:05:30 PM
With all due respect and deference to those making a show of yawning about how many times they've had to go over this, I don't think the fact that it was written and directed by Brian makes this recording any less compelling as a document of group dynamics.  Certainly, he wrote the words to send himself up, but he also pointedly put those words into the mouth of the very man often reported to hold not dissimilar opinions.  Why would he write it for Mike, as opposed to one of the others (or himself), if that wasn't part of the joke?

No joke, not even a Brian Wilson one, gets made in a vacuum.  It wouldn't have been funny if it hadn't resonated in some way.  And so I don't think it's completely incorrect to draw inferences about Mike's attitudes from this skit.

But wasn't Brian himself very disappointed that "Heroes & Villains" only made the lower half of the Top Ten, then disappeared off the charts shortly afterwards?  Mike wasn't the only one who had the attitude that the Beach Boys should sell records, especially after the huge commercial success of "Good Vibrations."

Oh, absolutely, but I don't think that that necessarily contradicts anything that I said.  I hope nobody thinks I'm trying to ignite some sort of tedious Brian vs Mike debate here, when I'm just trying to posit the idea that this skit having been written by Brian tells us more about actual group dynamics than if it actually had just been Mike ranting.

You said Mike meant what he said, he didn't, it was acting.

I really never meant to get involved in a bunfight here, but I really didn't say that Mike meant what he said, only that the fact that Brian put these words into the mouth of Mike does invite inferences about the (not necessarily, at the time, current) attitudes of both parties, not just Brian.  Which I didn't imagine would be a controversial point: after all, surely nobody imagines that Mike was chosen out of the Boys at random to deliver this monologue?
247  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Never Hated Mike Love Til I Heard This.. on: July 10, 2012, 01:40:51 PM
With all due respect and deference to those making a show of yawning about how many times they've had to go over this, I don't think the fact that it was written and directed by Brian makes this recording any less compelling as a document of group dynamics.  Certainly, he wrote the words to send himself up, but he also pointedly put those words into the mouth of the very man often reported to hold not dissimilar opinions.  Why would he write it for Mike, as opposed to one of the others (or himself), if that wasn't part of the joke?

No joke, not even a Brian Wilson one, gets made in a vacuum.  It wouldn't have been funny if it hadn't resonated in some way.  And so I don't think it's completely incorrect to draw inferences about Mike's attitudes from this skit.
If you believe this, then I have some great looking swamp land that I would love to sell to you. It even has a patch of (quick)sand to place your piano in.

Well, that seems unnecessary.  I didn't say I hated Mike, after all, nor did I comment on any theories as to why Brian junked Smile.  I think this skit sounds like Brian and Mike sending up old arguments, with both of them in on the joke.
248  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Never Hated Mike Love Til I Heard This.. on: July 10, 2012, 01:23:46 PM
With all due respect and deference to those making a show of yawning about how many times they've had to go over this, I don't think the fact that it was written and directed by Brian makes this recording any less compelling as a document of group dynamics.  Certainly, he wrote the words to send himself up, but he also pointedly put those words into the mouth of the very man often reported to hold not dissimilar opinions.  Why would he write it for Mike, as opposed to one of the others (or himself), if that wasn't part of the joke?

No joke, not even a Brian Wilson one, gets made in a vacuum.  It wouldn't have been funny if it hadn't resonated in some way.  And so I don't think it's completely incorrect to draw inferences about Mike's attitudes from this skit.
249  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Finding The Flame on: July 10, 2012, 12:03:55 AM
Thanks for the response, which certainly chimes with my gut instinct.
250  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Finding The Flame on: July 09, 2012, 02:31:25 PM
From the deafening silence, I'm going to assume that nobody knows anything about this mysterious alternate mix, or else that I have unwittingly committed some sort of forum faux pas by asking an obscure question with my first ever post.  Oh, well.  Hello, everyone!  I'm new.  And I must say, it's all going very well so far.
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