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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why does spotify keep screwing with the Beach Boys material? on: April 16, 2019, 09:01:57 AM
Although it's incredibly annoying, I get why they might add stuff and remove it later. What I don't get is how the track names get so screwed up after initially being accurate. It's got to be a glitch in the peer-to-peer sharing they utilize for bandwidth and speed. I've had to recreate entire playlists with the wrong track names for the right tracks.

Regarding discovery, it seems the way I tend to discover new music and the way Spotify thinks I should discover new music have diverged significantly over the last year or two. Between that and removing a lot of Beach Boys stuff lately, my use of the app has dropped precipitously. In fact I've listened less to music in general, and more to podcasts.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love/touring group Christmas album on: November 12, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
The traditional songs sound great. Just about the rest of the tracks sound ok, minus Mike's vocals, which sound like they were recorded with the iPhone's Voice Recorder app during a bus drive and texted to the producer.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennisís Women on: August 31, 2018, 01:09:09 PM
Does Mike's daughter count?
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Recording of \ on: August 27, 2018, 11:20:17 AM
I actually rank this new recording of "It's Ok" higher than most of the tracks on Unleash. I really like the deep bass vocals and the intro. I wouldn't recognize Hanson from... anybody, really, but I dig the track.

Of course my son's first reaction upon hearing it the other day was, "Don't they know summer is about over?"

Nice timing, Mike!
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Recording of \ on: August 27, 2018, 11:16:49 AM
I particularly like the idea of different lyrics to California Girls.  I know it was a big hit as it was but I hate those atlas lyrics Mike does and it's so sexist - woman are only good for one thing right?  I know Brian will never do it but perhaps someone else could.

No thanks to any sanitized, PC version of any song.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Marks Arrested on: July 30, 2018, 07:16:45 PM
Love is an intense thing.

I don't know, man. I like to think my wife and I love each other intensely, but it's never landed either of us in jail. I get it-- it's none of my business. Just more unfortunate and unnecessary drama in the Beach Boys legacy.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: June 19, 2018, 03:49:01 PM
Now that I've had a while to process this album, I must say I really like it.

Was this album necessary? No, but if it doesn't replace any other planned or potential releases, I'll take it.

Is the tracklist stellar? No. I don't understand the inclusion of tracks like "Fun Fun Fun" and would loved to have seen other tracks better suited to symphonic treatment ("Surf's Up" anybody?), but there are a lot of really cool moments on other tracks. "Sloop" for example. I love the fresh arrangement with those deep (cello?) notes. I also like that they've flown in parts of different lines from different recordings and mixed the vocal stack up a bit. I love how clean everything sounds. Heck, my least favorite Beach Boys song ever, "Disney Girls", is almost kinda listenable here. (Still evokes thoughts of a funeral on a cold, rainy day, but at least it's a pretty funeral.)

Thoughts on how it's doing? I think America has been suffering from what I call "hit fatigue" with the Boys for some time now. On top of that, I think there is a perception that they've just added a violin here and there to original tracks. The release of "Fun Fun Fun" as the first single reinforces that for the casual fan who might have checked that out and rolled her eyes. (WHY WHY WHY was "Fun Fun Fun" included, let alone released first???)
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: June 13, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
Agree with the quality of Disney Girls. Now I want other BB tracks to be remixed to highlight lead vocals in the same was as was done with Bruce. He sounds exquisite!

Dis-a-ney Girls may be my least favorite Beach Boys song ever, but this RPO take is probably the most palatable version of it I've heard.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: God Only Knows on American Idol on: May 15, 2018, 10:27:08 AM
I have a hard time listening to covers of GOK. Some are brilliant, but the only thing covers of this song evoke for me is a desire to forget the cover and go for the original. In fact, this might be the only song that covers of which kinda piss me off-- for no other reason than that they're not the original track.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Janelle MonŠe feat. Brian Wilson - Dirty Computer on: May 15, 2018, 10:24:32 AM
Hoping for an easter egg or bonus track that features the backing track plus Brian/Matt. The more I listen, the more I love these harmonies. However, Janelle's lyrics aren't exactly appropriate for my classroom (or for listening with the ol' man).
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album PRESS RELEASE on: May 11, 2018, 07:07:04 AM
I love how "Disney Girls" is on here, even though nobody gives a sh*t about it, and I doubt many would put it on a list of 17 Beach Boys songs to be done with orchestra. So Bruce gets a song on here, but not Al.  Roll Eyes

Disney Girls is a live staple and remains pretty popular.

And I've never understood why. I've never found anything about it musically or lyrically that appealing. Just because it's one of like two "big" songs Bruce wrote doesn't earn it a place in the pantheon of Beach Boys hits. When I took my sons to see the band in 2014, that was our bathroom break song.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Janelle MonŠe feat. Brian Wilson - Dirty Computer on: April 27, 2018, 11:16:15 AM
It definitely sticks in your head. I think the harmonies are great. Brian has a much greater presence on this track than Al and Matt had in that disappointing John Mayer track.  I don't quite get the title or the reference here, and I don't find anything special about Janelle's vocals.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 16, 2018, 05:12:47 PM
I'd say the 60s stuff with Dano was the better portrayal of both character, look, and tone compared to the 80s stuff. I think Cusack did fine, but he didn't seem to attempt to look or sound much like Brian.

I think John Cusack very wisely didn't try too hard to look or sound like Brian. Had he done so, it would have distracted from the performance-- as, IMO, Dano's effort to mimic young Brian's every expression and facial tick distracted me from his performance. Not only did Dano not resemble Brian to me, I kept thinking of the Monkees TV show. I think he tried way to hard to portray Brian exactly. I didn't care for Dano's performance at all.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and Live Sunshine on: February 05, 2018, 07:35:36 AM
Good call Felipe regarding Brianís voice. The funny part is, I prefer that time period to before

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 05, 2018, 12:27:07 PM
When I first got into The Beach Boys and started getting on these forums, I heard so many great things about Friends, Sunflower, Surf's Up, Holland, and Love You.   And I couldn't wait to listen to them.  I fell in love with Friends, Sunflower, Surfs Up, and Holland, but not Love You.   I tried listening to it a few times, but still nothing.  

Same. Although I will say that when I list the attributes I love about the band and their music, most of them apply to the early 60's thru about Smiley Smile. I do love the Friends-Holland material, but it's different since overall that material lacks the majority of those core attributes. When I introduce new people (like my high school students) to the Beach Boys, I don't bother with anything post Smiley Smile.

For the record, I have tried dozens of times over the last 5 years or so to "get" Love you. No luck so far.

Also for the record, I've never heard SIP because a) I have little use for-- and no capability to play-- physical media, and b) it's so hated here that I just haven't bothered.  Would I buy it if it were available digitally? Of course. Which is why I'm so baffled that stuff like SIP and SC are not available.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 05, 2018, 12:12:18 PM
That these two albums aren't even available for streaming speaks volumes .....

Really? Cause there's a lot of excellent material by other bands (Wondermints comes most immediately to mind) that also isn't available for streaming. And the fact that Love You is available for streaming tells me it ain't about quality.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 05, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Love You is Brian at the helm of his own muse, not really being influenced by anyone but himself...itís a phenomenal glimpse into his mindset.

Itís an album I would never play in front of people, nor would I go out of my way to tell anyone outside the fan base that I really love it. So I can completely sympathize with people that donít like it. Itís weird, the production is weird, the lyrics are weird, the singing isnít the best. But behind all the bad is a foundation of honesty and really brilliant songwriting.

It's nice to hear somebody who loves Love You admit that. One of the first threads I read after becoming obsessed with the Beach Boys and discovering this forum was a pile-on about Love You, with many posters essentially claiming that you're not a real fan unless you love that album. Which blew my mind, because I can find almost nothing enjoyable on Love You. I don't care for the arrangements, the production or lyrics. Instrumentation is grating, and the vocals, to my ear, are downright embarrassing.  So y'all lose me when you praise Love You on the merit of its songs.

What I sort of understand is context, and I've concluded that context must be the primary reason so many posters here love that album. It was truly Brian at the helm after everything else that was going on, it offers some kind of glimpse into Brian's mind or the band at the time, blah blah blah. Of course I argue that a truly good song or album is viscerally good, divorced from context. One should not need to understand the participants, their mindsets or backstories, in order to enjoy the album. This is why you won't play it in front of people, because on it's own, it makes people want to jump off a tall building. Just for fun, I play Love You at least once, front to back, for my high school computer programming students.  Every time, without fail, they revolt.

But yeah, I get context. And I'll readily admit that context is part of my affinity for Still Cruisin'. I must have been 12 years old when an uncle gifted it to me during a remote, multi-day lake trip. I listened to that album over and over again in my Walkman as I sat in the back of a boat and hiked along the shoreline. So I suppose I do cut it some slack.  That said, those vocals. Dang.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 05, 2018, 07:54:07 AM
Give me Still Cruisin over Love You any day. The album overall is subpar, but Carl's vocals on "Somewhere Near Japan" are some of my favorite Carl vocals ever. SC was my first beach boys album, gifted to me during a multi-day boat trip.

To clarify its digital status, it was available in full on Spotify for several months after the service became available in the U.S. As time passed, I noticed songs disappearing from the Spotify album. As of a few months ago, there was an entry for it in the database (which is why Google still returns a (broken) entry for it). Now it is completely missing from Spotify.

This is a sore spot for me, since I can't for the life of my understand why-- even if it's out of print physically-- some label employee can't just uploar (or in this case re-upload") digital versions of the tracks. I had to buy a used CD of the album, but if it were available on iTunes I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I suppose the album sucks so much they don't want my money?
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys Podcast! on: December 06, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
I've enjoyed the episodes thus far and look forward to more.  It's great to finally have a Beach Boys podcast out there!   Thumbs Up

Not to nitpick, but there are several fan podcasts and podcast-ish productions out there, but most of them are really subpar or not widely accessible.  There's a gawd-awful video podcast that some lady shoots in her living room. Pray for Surf(?) is pretty good, but I couldn't find it on iTunes the last time I checked. Ghosty's show is great, but YouTube isn't exactly the best delivery method for that type of content.  Not sure about this podbean thing for Sail On (I think it's a crappy app), but I can get it on Apple's Podcast app, so I'm good.  Sail On is the first good BB fan podcast that's also accessible. And I love it.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys Podcast! on: November 20, 2017, 08:12:19 AM
Freedom Wind blows my mind. In fact, you might say it's one of my favorite Beach Boys albums.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 17, 2017, 07:51:39 AM
-"Daybreak" is interesting. Varied instrumentation and new presentation. I like it, but I really miss the harmonies on the TWGMTR version.
-Digging "Too Cruel." It's probably the ukulele.
-"Cool Head" seems to be the same vocal, different mix. I like the Hallmark mix better.
-New mix on Pisces Brothers. I like the old better.
-The rest of the originals are garbage.
-The remakes are total garbage

Glad I Spotified this. I'll purchase "Too Cruel" and call it good.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys Podcast! on: November 13, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
Listening to Ep 1 now and loving it. Nice job, boys!

Part of your opening musical sequence is ringing a bell. Is it from Will C.'s Adieu or Die?

EDIT: Hah! Just got to the end where you mention using Will C.'s stuff.

Seems like you expected that your high praise of Love You would spark some debate, and I'm game. I'm always looking for somebody to convince me that Love You is a decent record. Heck, that it's even worth a second listen (I've sat thru it at least a dozen times over the years trying to keep an open mind). You made an effort in this episode, but fell short. Specifically, what doesn't square with me is that most people who love that album start by calling it "genius," then follow that claim with stories about circumstances and context and where the Boys "were at the time."

I understand how context can lend to a fan's appreciation of a song or album. That I get, but context does not good music make.

What I don't get-- and what I hope you will explain in later episodes-- is how exactly the album is genius. I find nothing about the album genius. Musically, instrumentally, lyrically.  Nothing. Please help me out here!
All that said, I really like the informal format and thoughtful discussion. I can't wait until the next episode drops!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian records Weezer tribute featuring Al and... Mike??? on: November 12, 2017, 08:44:42 AM
I was a little thrown when I saw this earlier because Al himself linked to it in a tweet. But the website name (breakingnews247) was fishy, the Brian "quotes" seemed out of character and the "lyrics" were ridiculous (almost as ridiculous as the lyrics in the actual Weezer tribute to the Boys).

Gotta say, though, the notion that Mike and Brian would collaborate on something-- albeit super indirectly-- excited me-- especially since the next story in my feed was a new Mike interview in which he reiterates a willingness to collaborate again.

The article, btw, of course conflates the Beach Boys with Mike's new solo compilation.  Two stupid pieces, two minutes of my life I won't get back.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP on Twitter on: November 09, 2017, 08:15:28 PM
He worked on a one-off project that turned out to be enormously revered, and yet aside from major BBs fans, I'll bet a lot of people who sing along to God Only Knows have no idea who wrote those lyrics.

Nor do many of us care who wrote them. As I said before in this thread, IF I notice lyrics, it's the last thing I notice and the last thing I value in a song.  Perhaps that's because I've tried and failed several times to compose and arrange music, and therefore respect that craft-- arguably more than the craft (writing) that pays my bills. To come up with a melody, a harmony, the chords, instrumentation... then sing it all so beautifully? That's work. THAT's the genius.

Lyrics are like barbecue sauce on a good brisket. If the brisket's done right, the sauce is but an afterthought-- a nice little bonus. Nice but not necessarily needed. I think my 4 year old could write serviceable lyrics for a BW hit.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP on Twitter on: November 09, 2017, 11:48:29 AM
Back on topic - It worries me how some of the protagonists in BB history can so quickly be demonised here.

It seems if you have anything negative to say about a cherished key player (Brian, Dennis, Carl etc.) then attitudes towards you shift very quickly.

VDP expresses some bitterness/frustration towards Brian & his team. Rather than focusing on what the causes behind this change of attitude might be, many here now seem to be rubbishing his creative output and name-calling.

For what it's worth, I thought VDP was overrated long before he criticized Brian.
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