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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 24, 2018, 05:38:05 AM
Caps over Columbus in six.

Caps in 6. Good prognosticating!!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why Do We Treat Brian Wilson Like a Child? on: April 23, 2018, 10:02:02 AM
Hello friends, I am a long time Beach Boys and Brian Wilson fan. I have been obsessed with their music for over twenty years now, and I have gone through all of my periods of loving hidden gems and underrated albums. I have seen Brian Wilson live in concert three times over the years, including in 2004 for his SMiLE live performance in Glasgow. I have been long curious as to why it is that many Brian Wilson/Beach Boys fans tend to think of Brian as a person who can't make decisions for himself. I don't just mean *now* either, I mean in retrospect looking back to the 60s when Brian was experimenting with drugs and many creative avenues. Nobody speaks of John Lennon or Paul McCartney or Bob Dylan like they needed to be protected from the harsh realities of the world, yet this is something that is brought up frequently with Brian. People even go so far to place the blame on the friends that forced him to take drugs, that he was incapable of making decisions for himself. This doesn't just condescend to Brian in terms of his life decisions, but also frequently carries over into the artistic choices he made. I am thinking especially of Smiley Smile, and the refusal to acknowledge it as a genuine artistic choice, rather than the product of a mental breakdown. Very few pine over what could have been with Sgt Pepper. They accept it as the end result of an artistic process. I still believe that SMiLE was more a work created by fans after the fact, than it was a genuine lost album. Things progress and change through the process and I am more than happy to take Smiley Smile as the end result of that process.

So I am curious, why do you think people have become so attached to the idea that Brian isn't all there and should have his decisions made for him by those more capable? Why are his artistic choices even now second-guessed and assumed to be the product of some other guiding hand? Or more than that, why we assume that he needs/needed that parental guidance?

Well to answer your basic question, interviews like this recent one don't help if you are asking perhaps why he is more perceived as being needed to be treated like a child. (Whether anyone is actually treating him like a child and what that means exactly, I don't know)

https://www.fortlauderdaledaily.com/upfront/noteworthy/5-minutes-brian-wilson-co-founder-beach-boys

But this interview is awful..as most of Brian's are. And the answers are indeed 'childlike' in some ways. Yes the questions are horrendous as well, but better questions would still get the same short, brutal and frankly, inconsistent answers. Why? Why is he subjected to these interviews. They are an embarrassment if we're honest about it. Hats off to the reporter for not slamming him and being respectful in her text. But c'mon. Either Brian is not mentally capable of giving a legitimate interview (which would be concerning) or he cares so little that he is willing to disrespect the professional relationship between artist and media, and as an extension, the public. It's ridiculous. Either don't do these interviews or figure out a way to approach them with some professionalism, even if the questions suck.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: April 23, 2018, 07:18:23 AM
Bethlehem PA Events Center will present The Beach Boys on Aug 14
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: April 17, 2018, 07:36:58 AM
The snippets I am seeing on YouTube are really great. SA Winds-awesome. Really cool seeing Al crank out a bit of dirty lead guitar on Surfin' Safari!!
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 17, 2018, 07:30:00 AM
Ovi was on fire last night!

NJ needs to win against TB tonight.

Dev's got the win..but that's a tall order to take series.
Sharks are rolling over the Ducks.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 16, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
To be fair, Caps deserved game 2. A few bad bounces. I think Ovie had 10 shots!. Anyway, not over yet,but Game 3 is massive (as it always is)
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite TV Show Themes on: April 16, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
Littlest Hobo

First the hockey talk and now this. You are really out-Canadianing the rest of us Canadians on the board.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaXIuHH91fU

That's sweet!
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite TV Show Themes on: April 16, 2018, 12:13:30 PM
Littlest Hobo

First the hockey talk and now this. You are really out-Canadianing the rest of us Canadians on the board.

LOL
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 16, 2018, 12:12:30 PM
Caps over Columbus in six.

CBJ aren't making it easy!
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite TV Show Themes on: April 11, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
Fall Guy
Spider-Man Cartoon
Littlest Hobo
Barney Miller
Gimme a Break (early version)
Snow Job
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 11, 2018, 07:09:11 AM
Caps over Columbus in six.

We'll hold you to that! Old Man Old Man
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 11, 2018, 07:07:09 AM
Don't know why I can't totally get behind Preds..but I'm not an Av's fan

In my view, Montreal trading Subban to the Preds for Weber goes down as one of the worst moves the Canadiens have made since trading Patrick Roy for Jocelyn Thibault and Chris Chelios for Denis Savard. What a history of buffoonery.

It's certainly starting to look like the Pred's got the better of the deal.
At face value though, you traded a premiere D for a premiere D. In spite of the fact that PK showed himself to be a leader on and off the ice in MTL, there was obviously something that wasn't working out. Was that PK's fault? Probably not entirely. But he's a different cat, and the hockey culture in Habs land is fairly conservative. From the beginning, he would have been a way better fit in another market.
You win on the ice, but you can lose just as easily in the dressing room. It cannot be overstated how important a happy room is for team success. (This is a major problem in Ottawa btw)
In 2 years, the NHL game has totally changed. Priority has completely shifted. You need speed up the middle, first and foremost. Then you need a puck moving Dman. If you don't have those two things, you're done..even more than having a solid Goaltender, though obviously still a key to winning..but not like it was.
13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 09, 2018, 10:26:29 AM
Here is who I would want. If history is any indication, I would bet on the opposite:

Preds v Avs = Preds - hope they win the Cup this year
Jets v Wild = Jets
Knights v Kings = ugh...a no-win situation for me but I'll go with the Knights. Shockingly great year.
Ducks v Sharks = see above. Ducks, I guess. Can't stand either team.

Bolts v Devs = Devils
Bruins v Leafs = This is a real struggle. Can't stand either team here either. I'll say Leafs though. Hope either team is out by round 2.
Caps v Jackets = Caps
Pens v Flyers = Pens for sure. Flyers are my least favourite hockey team.

Lol, yes nothing if unpredictable
Don't know why I can't totally get behind Preds..but I'm not an Av's fan
Ya I'll root for Jets. Wild deserve a deep run though.
Vegas has had an amazing run. LAK: it's a hard call to make on this team. Goaltending could be the deciding factor.
Ducks/Sharks..With you on this series...don't care for either squad

Pray for a Devs upset
I'll go with The B's
Could CBJ take down Caps? Might be Washington's year to squeak through
You can't count out the Pens, and it seems like they are building for another run.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'Beach Baby' by First Class and Endless Summer Concurrent Chart Runs on: April 09, 2018, 10:08:11 AM
I think it sounds like a sterilized version, maybe idealized would be the better term, of what nostalgia-bent listeners might want to hear as a "Beach Boys" throwback on the radio. But the nicks and nods are everywhere even though it isn't a direct nick of Brian's production hallmarks. However in some ways it is. The harmonies and their arrangement wouldn't have happened if not for Brian Wilson. 'First Class' sure as heck were not going for a "Jan Berry Sound" on this record... Grin

The influence is undeniable, IMO. There is even this line: "Remember...the dress I ruined with the soda pop?" which of course is a direct wink at "All Summer Long" and the line about "Remember when I spilled Coke all over your blouse?".

The lyrics are full of references and nods to the BB's and BB themes. There is even a Smile-esque "whoooo....." descending harmonized "spill" at one point after the bridge.

And I think for a lot of listeners, when they hear a stacked group harmony with a deep bass and soaring falsetto doing harmonized ooohs and ahhhs, they immediately think "Beach Boys" no matter who the artist is. Add in fun in the sun lyrics, and it's a done deal.

As far as where all this came from, I still can't get away from pointing to American Graffiti and the soundtrack with putting this nostalgia kick in full gear at this exact time in history. It put a lot of records that were even then being spun on "oldies" formats back into the current pop-culture consciousness, and that included the BB's, who obviously were featured in the film and also played over the end credits.

Very good analysis!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'Beach Baby' by First Class and Endless Summer Concurrent Chart Runs on: April 09, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
Beach Baby was a poor man's California style sound.  It sounded like kids trying to recreate something which turned out to be close to what the doctor ordered that specific year.  Brian's old signature sound for the State always held up well.  Still does.  

Juiceman asked..."Did the song benefit from the good fortune of being out there at the same time a wave of nostalgia for older Beach Boys material was happening?"

NO.  It was merely a coincidence.  Obviously it could not have been planned.  They would have had NO IDEA that Capitol was going to sabotage the Beach Boys by pigeon-holing them with E.S.


'El Juicerama' then continued with... "Was it pure luck, or did the people behind 'First Class' see an opportunity?"

They saw nothing and apparently heard only marginally better.   Beach Baby was a fun song but it was also so simplistic that they would never experience another hit single.  It was less than ***'loveish'***.

Then there's..."Perhaps more to the point, did The Beach Boys miss out by not trying to get a new 'retro style' song out to the hungry masses?"

They missed out by releasing pretty much nothing...nada...zilch...dick-all/sweet f*** all.  1st Class beat Lazy Ass.

There's more in that Juice Container..." Could/Should the success of Beach Baby been shifted to a Beach Boys single if they had got one to market at the time? Or did nobody care as the old stuff was selling so well, and the tours were growing."

Obviously there were way too many internal AND external 'problems' circling and encircling the group at that particular juncture in the festivities.  A certain BALD HEAD [" We gotta chase those crazy bald-heads outta the yard."] pressured for control...but he was there with WAY too little too late and they missed the boat then and  for most every year after he [and Capitol] roasted and totally ate the golden goose.  He's been pickin' his teeth with the bones ever since.


Beach Baby was Number 1 in our native Canada. I blame the DJ's  Wink
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: April 09, 2018, 08:50:04 AM
Preds v Avs
Jets v Wild
Knights v Kings
Ducks v Sharks

Bolts v Devs
Bruins v Leafs
Caps v Jackets
Pens v Flyers
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: April 05, 2018, 04:50:37 PM
Id love to see Mike Love sing the hits.....but only as Mike Love.

My loss? Maybe. Just my personal choice.
I've never known him to be anyone but Mike Love. It's not like he goes out as Clem Love, or Cookie Love  LOL. His band, of course, is the Beach Boys - and if anyone has a problem with that, they should complain to the people who allow them to use that name year after year.

His band and himself are not the Beach Boys. Mike is a Beach Boy who happens to be in a band of musicians. The Beach Boys do not exist any more except on paper. Unfortunately Mike Love IS Mike Love however he'd have to change his underwear constantly if he had to go out under his own name.  Roll Eyes

I'm shocked OSD spelled 'Mike Love'! I figured he had customized keyboards on all his devices prohibiting this!  Wink
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'Beach Baby' by First Class and Endless Summer Concurrent Chart Runs on: April 04, 2018, 12:08:04 PM
It seems he also sang lead on "Baby Loves Love." How unusual to sings lead on so many big hit songs with different groups (at least four with four, perhaps more of which I am unaware). Certainly a testament to his talent. He really drives the song in each instance while respecting its uniqueness. 
Probably butchering this, but doesn't he hold some distinction regarding "Top of the Pops"? Either singing with two different groups on one show, or singer with most appearances in different bands...something like that.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 'Beach Baby' by First Class and Endless Summer Concurrent Chart Runs on: April 04, 2018, 09:52:36 AM
Most things don't exist in a vacuum, and I was interested on anyone's thoughts concerning the song Beach Baby.

Released in May, a month or so before Endless Summer came out, it peaked at #4 in USA in early Oct, around the same time ES hit #1 on the Bilboard 200 Album Chart.

Did the song benefit from the good fortune of being out there at the same time a wave of nostalgia for older Beach Boys material was happening? Was it pure luck, or did the people behind 'First Class' see an opportunity? Perhaps more to the point, did The Beach Boys miss out by not trying to get a new 'retro style' song out to the hungry masses? Could/Should the success of Beach Baby been shifted to a Beach Boys single if they had got one to market at the time? Or did nobody care as the old stuff was selling so well, and the tours were growing.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / ZZ Tops's Eliminator turns 35! on: March 29, 2018, 07:59:07 AM
Man, time flies. I guess some of the long time fans didn't embrace it at the time, but it was a huge album. The car, the girls..perfect fodder for a new MTV generation.

A year or two back, the bank released  La Futura. The video for "I Gotsta Get Paid' had the ol' Eliminator front and centre. I was glad these guys were (are) still around.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Hockey 2017- 2018 Thread on: March 29, 2018, 07:12:19 AM
The herd is thinning in the East. Devs or Panthers for last Wild Card.
Gonna be a foot race out West for a group of teams. Very tight.
If you don't come out swinging in October in this League, you are pretty much cooked!
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Who on: March 28, 2018, 11:26:34 AM
The Who was the first band I was really into. I got into them right at the time of the farewell tour. I still remember, putting on Quadrophenia, and hearing The Real Me (Moon's drumming especially)...magical.

By Numbers and Who are You probably don't get the credit they deserve. Pete was getting pretty introspective, and he wasn't shy to I guess, 'modernize' the sound of the band.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: March 28, 2018, 11:09:45 AM
Aug 7 date added at Tioga Downs, NY
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin CD on: March 27, 2018, 08:12:13 AM
I guess I'm in the minority, in that I like the 80's output..I don't compare it to the early stuff. I classify it in it's own little capsule. I feel the BB's were a very 'Eighties Band' Had a number 1 hit, were at big events like Live Aid and Farm Aid, had their 25th anniversary..all in a decade where 'beach culture' was pretty prevalent.

I wish they could have stretched out the original stuff to a full album. Even if they threw on R&R to the Rescue, California Dreamin etc.

I know it's been discussed before, but why didn't Capitol keep them on the label? I mean,  Made inThe USA sold well, as did Still Cruisin'....
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Songs at Manson Funeral on: March 26, 2018, 09:28:33 AM
This story seems to get quite a bit of press. Unfortunate to have to be linked to Manson in any way.
Was there much (or any) coverage of the bands relationship with Manson at the time of his arrest? Or did it filter out later. Maybe more of a focus on Melcher at the time?
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