Great guy, that Ray Lawlor, violating Brian's doctor/patient confidentiality issues and his privacy. Oh, but he's a well-paid aviation executive with enough time and money to go around chasing after his so-called friend. The friend who no longer apparently speaks to either David Leaf or Van Dyke Parks, for whatever reasons (wonder what happened to those relationships of Brian's). Every time Ray comes on to a thread, a chill comes over and everyone starts talking about beer. Whatever. I guess I have an agenda. He reminds me of Frank Lima, a sycophant of Ray Davies who follows Ray around on various tours and has lunch and dinner with him. Frank also participates in Kinks message boards, but at least he's nice to fans and doesn't try to be high-handed and try to set the record straight. As if he'd know, because he doesn't.

I'm waiting for Mike Love to send me a check. Because every time someone says something vaguely critical of Team Wilson or his friends (who for all anyone knows may have been sent here by Melinda, in exchange for continued access to Brian, or they did it on their own with that thinking in mind), people are accused of being closepersonafriends of Mike Love. Flame away.

He figured these shows are selling good because people realize that two 70-year old Beach Boys are not going to be doing this surfing music much longer.

Beh.

I suppose I need to get some money together and actually see these folks before I never have the chance to do so again. I didn't go to the 2012 reunion shows because I was a dipshit and was going through a bit of a rough patch anyway, and I kinda naively figured I'd have another chance.

MAN.

Mike has plans for 2017. You have time.

Why would Mike Love have sole veto power? I doubt he does. It's a BRI issue. Not to mention an issue of Capitol approving licenses for Beach Boys' material at a reasonable rate vs. predicted sales, especially in an era where people often prefer free listens on Spotify instead of buying.. There's also licensing issues for Brian's solo material labels, as mentioned.

The fact that Mike lost that lawsuit over a disc that was labeled as "the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson" would mean he's allowed to release an album under "the Beach Boys' Mike Love," so he would be permitted to mention that association in some way.  That Daily Mail Brian Wilson CD also included photos of the original Beach Boys on the cover, including Mike.  So, presumably Mike is legally allowed to include photos of the original Beach Boys on any CD cover, including pictures of Brian. Even without Brian being on the recording or Brian's permission. 

If they do an album with Chicago,they can call themselves Beachago.

Does anyone have access to legal documents that state that any Beach Boys album must include Brian Wilson and/or Al Jardine? I've read it here, but never saw a citation of an actual legal document. The tour agreement is a separate issue, and at one time, even Al could have used a Beach Boys related name if he had paid the license fee. Perhaps the touring Beach Boys can release an album if there is label interest or if they're willing to finance it themselves. Or if not called "The Beach Boys," they can come up with some wording that mentions the beach and work around it. It sounds like a trial balloon. Maybe Mike is throwing down a challenge to Brian and company and waiting to see what the reaction would be.

Hope he had a good one. It would be nice if he reconciled with Brian. Van tweeted a few days ago he hasn't seen him in years. 

How does Christian make a living playing beach volleyball and playing occasional gigs with an indy band no one ever heard of?  Surely the Beach Boys gig had to pay more, even if he never got a raise.

The point is, it's a school paper. The main judge and audience for it would be college professors, and perhaps other professionals who want to read it and can judge for themselves whether it's worthy. If Brian's lawyers want to go to the UK and sue the guy, then let them. I just don't think it rises to that level. Unless they want to sue Peter Ames Carlin, Todd Gold, and whoever else's work was used as a source for the paper.

There's nothing illegal about this university thesis. It wasn't published with the intent of profit. It just so happens with the existence of the internet, it is available online. It doesn't pretend to be anything but an academic paper in the field of experimental psychology, and psychology is a social science. His sources are cited and are all from things that have already been published and are still available. Even Brian's autobiography, while subject to multiple lawsuits in the US, is still being published in other countries (and the guy who wrote it lives in a country that isn't the United States).

There wasn't that much freeform radio in the USA back in 1967. A few markets, yes, but it wasn't in every city and it didn't draw that large of an audience. The radio regulations didn't officially change until January of 1967, which was the rule that required stations to broadcast different programming on AM and FM. It took a few months/years for that to get all shaken out and for FM to build album oriented rock stations. Freeform became the province of college radio, with smaller audiences. So, no, there wasn't this robust, large FM radio market ready to embrace all that music. It was gradual and it wasn't mature yet at that time, though there were acts that were selling reasonably well and drawing crowds in major cities, without having Top 40 AM hits, even before the evolution of album oriented FM rock. Just not Beatles-sized record sales.

Where was the radio airplay for Smile in 2004? Nowhere that I ever heard. It didn't fit any of the formats of the time, anyways. It sold due to publicity generated over decades. More publicity than it got back in the days anticipating its release in the '60s. It sold out of people's curiosity after reading about it on the internet, books about the Beach Boys, and renewed publicity on mass media outlets. It had a core audience who already heard the 60s versions via bootlegs, and another audience who bought it based on reading about it rather than hearing it, apart from being familiar with GV.

I've never quite understood why people even care how the hippies of the late '60s and the pretentious twits at "Rolling Stone" received the Beach Boys.  The fact that younger people who weren't even born yet have come to enjoy that music is more significant.  People back then weren't the brightest, certainly not as smart as they thought they were. I'm also sure they weren't discussing what their parents and grandparents were saying about Bing Crosby back in the '30s. Weird how the boomers have staked a claim on how things are perceived, even at this late date.  As it was, people back then were not likely to ever see the Beach Boys as hip. The Four Freshman harmonies alone were weird and retro and suggestive of pre-rock music compared to other music that was around at that time.  They were white guys from a conservative part of SoCal, too.

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It shouldn't count because Brian probably did not write it, or wrote it under the influence of Gene Landy if he did, and no doubt Landy had to write at least some of the lyrics. Not a good time in Brian's life and it sort of reduces the humor potential as well.

I'm not sure why Brian would want to have to depend on someone else to get him out of a chair rather than being able to do it himself. The video of "Fun, Fun, Fun" showed him needing some assistance, actually quite a bit if assistance, in order to get out of his chair and gingerly walk down a single step. A few modifications would make it easier for him to do it by himself, and to do it safely. That's all.  Nothing more than that. It's his choice.

The riser wasn't part of the stage show until the C50 tour, probably to make his presence stand out on a stage with multiple keyboard players. Before then, he was in a keyboard downstage, on the floor, facing the audience instead of the band.

No, not when the disks of his back have deteriorated with age.

So you know the specifics of Brian's back problems?

I seem to recall reading that it's a congenital defect, which Carl shared.

Anybody over the age of 40 has deteriorated disks. It's a normal part of aging, so it would be on top of whatever else Brian may have wrong with his back. But it points out that as people age, they can't always tough it out and making himself uncomfortable is not going to make him stronger. People age at different rates, of course. Just look at Al and the way he can stand through an entire concert with a heavy guitar around his neck, and he's the same age as Brian. It's more the getting up out of chairs that gets to be a problem more than sitting in them.

I bet there could be some therapeutic value to the strain and stress of having to accommodate to his stage furnishings. Bearing the discomfort of having to struggle a bit for the correct posture on stage might perhaps allow him to spend the rest of his time in comfy chairs  (and/or ergonomically correct and supportive chairs... or whatever...) without becoming totally dependent on them. Complete comfort 24/7 --or whenever possible-- that might only exacerbate his condition.

thus concludes another completely useless opinion on back pain from a random fan .

No, not when the disks of his back have deteriorated with age. Brian is over 70 years old. If you've been around older people, you see that sitting them in the wrong type of chair not only leads to discomfort, but the risk of falls. That footage from that show appeared that Brian is at risk of falls. He's bent over, for one thing. That's why older people with his type of condition are better served with supportive, height-appropriate chairs with arms they can use to help pull themselves up. It's not so much comfort, even, as safety.

Thanks a lot for another backhanded credibility attack, Debbie Keil. A name I have to admit I only know from reading the Steven Gaines book and Nick Kent's book as well. Otherwise, I wouldn't know you, either, as you don't know me. I have about as much credibility as you do, though granted, I never knew Brian as well. I have his autograph on a copy of his autobiography and on a copy of Pet Sounds, both obtained at public signings,and that's about it.

Sorry, I did not realize that offering opinions in any thread is verboten, nor anything construed as the slightest criticism of Brian, Melinda, and Joe Thomas. I'm not sure that having Brian doing shows or albums where he minimally sings is that great of a direction for his solo career.Granted,he did give vocals to the other guys in the Beach Boys, but he is a solo act now and has been for the past fifteen years. For this Soundstage show, he (or his show producer) parceled out vocals that he used to do himself in concert, including "God Only Knows,"which was a highlight of seeing him solo, which I have seen him do about  seven times. Brian was doing solo albums where he sang as recently as his last one. He even was hired to as a solo vocalist on albums where he didn't write the songs (Disney, and most of Gershwin). So,I'm not sure what he lacks now that this latest project has so many guest vocalists, but maybe it's what he needs to do. Or needs to do to get more press attention or sales, which even folks like Paul McCartney are getting into.

I do know that he had a hard time getting off stage after "Fun, Fun, Fun," and I'm not sure how anyone who claims to care about Brian could fail to notice that and wonder if he's physically up to touring. Or that at least they should consider making adaptations to his back problem, including possibly not using a riser for his piano. Placing him in a chair with arms so he can lift himself up easier,  and perhaps using a cane or walking stick so he doesn't need someone to help him off. Or if he has to be on a riser, using a ramp instead of a step to help him get down.

I wonder how they're going to edit the ending of  "Fun, Fun, Fun."  

Why edit it? Brian trashing the stage is certainly part of his new cooler persona

It is the last song of the set, the big finish. Since he's the guest of honor, or host, you would think they will have to make some kind of edit to show him there without showing how he actually made his way off stage. It will be interesting to see how it is shown on the final edit. I'm not sure why they didn't figure out a better way for him to get up and out at the end. He must still have a pretty bad back problem, he couldn't get out of the chair without help.

Aww, isn't it cute how concerned you are? You're so concerned! In between all the blasts of venom and passive-aggressive acid. Just like you are for the advertising on this website... pure milk of human kindness stuff. Yeah, clearly his back was bothering him that day. It seemed pretty bad during rehearsals... but he managed. I'm told in the final edit he'll fly to the ceiling suspended by wires and thank his "Cousin Mike" for teaching him what a hook was and letting him help out on his Cousin Mike's masterwork, Good Vibrations.

Dunno if that song will even make it into the special, there are too many new songs and duets that seem like much better choices. What an "embarrassment of riches," as the other fella put it... I'm sure you'll be watching the special with a big smile plastered on your face. Maybe fingers digging into a pillow or white knuckling a bit, but... still... smiles, everyone! Smiles!

Thanks for your input, Mr. Per-twat. I don't give a crap what you think. You're a smug asshole and your YouTube videos on the Beach Boys are copyright violations. F off.

Gee, time for you to meditate. ( or take a board breather) Or both

So, Mr. Whateverhisname is is cool to attack me, but not for me to defend myself against his very nasty, very personal attacks? Okay.  I don't need to take a board breather or to meditate. Maybe you should. You seem to enjoy attacking other posters yourself.

If anyone wants to know what the old Male Ego Board was like, this board has started to turn into that.

BTW, Fun, Fun, Fun was the big finale. So, yeah, I expect it will be included. And they'll cover for the inelegant exit somehow. Even though Brian is the star of the show, supposedly.

I wonder how they're going to edit the ending of  "Fun, Fun, Fun."  

Why edit it? Brian trashing the stage is certainly part of his new cooler persona

It is the last song of the set, the big finish. Since he's the guest of honor, or host, you would think they will have to make some kind of edit to show him there without showing how he actually made his way off stage. It will be interesting to see how it is shown on the final edit. I'm not sure why they didn't figure out a better way for him to get up and out at the end. He must still have a pretty bad back problem, he couldn't get out of the chair without help.

Aww, isn't it cute how concerned you are? You're so concerned! In between all the blasts of venom and passive-aggressive acid. Just like you are for the advertising on this website... pure milk of human kindness stuff. Yeah, clearly his back was bothering him that day. It seemed pretty bad during rehearsals... but he managed. I'm told in the final edit he'll fly to the ceiling suspended by wires and thank his "Cousin Mike" for teaching him what a hook was and letting him help out on his Cousin Mike's masterwork, Good Vibrations.

Dunno if that song will even make it into the special, there are too many new songs and duets that seem like much better choices. What an "embarrassment of riches," as the other fella put it... I'm sure you'll be watching the special with a big smile plastered on your face. Maybe fingers digging into a pillow or white knuckling a bit, but... still... smiles, everyone! Smiles!

Thanks for your input, Mr. Per-twat. I don't give a crap what you think. You're a smug asshole and your YouTube videos on the Beach Boys are copyright violations. F off.

I wonder how they're going to edit the ending of  "Fun, Fun, Fun." 

Why edit it? Brian trashing the stage is certainly part of his new cooler persona

It is the last song of the set, the big finish. Since he's the guest of honor, or host, you would think they will have to make some kind of edit to show him there without showing how he actually made his way off stage. It will be interesting to see how it is shown on the final edit. I'm not sure why they didn't figure out a better way for him to get up and out at the end. He must still have a pretty bad back problem, he couldn't get out of the chair without help.

First Hall of Fame drummer who can't paradiddle. Or do a drum roll. 

I wonder how they're going to edit the ending of  "Fun, Fun, Fun." 

Nice that this board has turned into Blueboard cubed. There's more leeway in opinion on Brian's board than on this one as it is now. Not to mention the fact that every thread turns into personal attacks. I have my opinion and it's as valid as the Brian fanboys. I have seen several Brian shows, and used to enjoy him but it got tiresome after awhile and I came to realize I was more a fan of Brian's band that him as a performer, most of the time,though he was really into it for the Pet Sounds shows. Now that Brian barely performs in them, and is said to be missing cues and not performing as well as he used to, and now turning over large numbers of lead vocals to guest stars, I'm not sure what the point is, for me. I traveled to see Brian a couple of times a few hundred miles out of my way. That was years ago.Now,I'm turned off by segments of his fan base.It's like Apple discussions on tech boards.  You're either for Apple or you're against it. And we can't have that!

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You do realize that Beach Boys Britain buys ads on this page, along with Endless Summer Quarterly. I notice David Beard of ESQ has been made to feel unwelcome here, too, even though he supports Brian and has interviews with him in many issues, including the newest one. And BBB fans seem to be Brian fans for the most part, as well. I'm surprised either of those groups would want to continue buying ads here, modest as though their financial support may be.