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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set
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on: September 30, 2022, 11:24:21 AM
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Question for Howie-
I was at the midnight Carnegie Hall show on 11/23/72. Is the full concert that's included in the box set a compilation of the best performances from the early and midnight shows or a complete recording of just one of the shows?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Filmore East - last 3 nights feat the Beach Boys + other contemporary acts
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on: June 28, 2016, 09:48:07 AM
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On page 198 of the Jon Stebbins book, "The Beach Boys FAQ", he states that two shows were planned but not enough tickets were sold for a second. on page 288 of the Keith Badman book,"The Definitive Diary of America's Greatest Band", he states that shortly after announcing a second show the promoters call it off. Carlin, Stebbins and Badman all reference a second show and poor/slow ticket sales.
The point of my original post was that my recollection from that time, living on Long Island, very close to NYC, and being a huge fan, there really was NO significant "buzz" leading up to the Carnegie Hall show. NONE ! Zero ! The buzz happened as a result. Although stating Carnegie Hall was packed is accurate , I guess, put that into some kind of context. I still think that tends to mislead. Carnegie Hall holds only 2,800 people. By all accounts the tickets sold very slowly. Ray Lawlor is quoted as saying he was at the concert and Chip Rachlin told him the show didn't sell out until the afternoon of the show. The Keith Badman book states that 80% of the tickets were sold in the last five days before the show. So, assuming Mr. Badmaan is correct, that means that prior to the five days leading up to the concert approximately 560 tickets had been sold. 560 !!! In a city of 8 million people. For the most important American rock band in history.
The fact is they hadn't played NYC in a while and STRUGGLED to sell less than 3,000 tickets to a concert at one of the world's most prestigious concert halls in one of the biggest cities in the world. Within another year or so things changed dramatically.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Filmore East - last 3 nights feat the Beach Boys + other contemporary acts
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on: June 27, 2016, 06:10:46 PM
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There are some background points and details that should be mentioned in this discussion, namely the status of the Beach Boys in New York in 1971. Rock was still somewhat regional in nature at this time, even with FM radio and the whole free-form movement which had become the home for rock and roll, there was still a throwback to 60's AM top-40 where certain acts might be hugely popular in some regions while being lukewarm in others, and by "regions" a lot of that revolved around whatever stations the fans were listening to in their areas.
The Beach Boys had played - and packed - Carnegie Hall on Feb 24th, 1971. It was a success on all levels. They were the only band on the bill, and they delivered a knockout performance. That Feb 24th show got positive reviews including one published nationally in Billboard, and again they had packed the place. There is a radio interview with Michael Cuscuna just prior to the show where the band was on the air on WPLJ (which had just transitioned from WABC), and were taking calls from listeners. Often during that interview, fans were asking about getting tickets, and there was a great buzz around the performance...the ads even promoted it as their only NY appearance for that time. The band played a preview tape which had been compiled by their engineer on the air, with then-unreleased songs, alongside Cuscuna spinning tracks like Cabinessence during the interview.
Even on the air, they said very few tickets were left, so the buzz was already there and the show was all but sold out by the time they were on the air. February 1971 - Important to note.
At the end of the Billboard review, the writer made mention of the band coming back to New York on the strength of this Carnegie show...and they did. New York was more than friendly to the band, in 1971 I'd say the New York market was one of the biggest and friendliest fan bases the band had, and thanks to the media reports and reviews of shows like Carnegie, the band's image and demand for them to play live increased dramatically. Consider too that the band starting at Carnegie looked more "real" than they had previously. No matching suits, no schtick, no crazy outfits, just a band of real guys dressed like real guys, and it was very in tune with the era.
Fast forward into 1971. The demand was strong for the Beach Boys to come back to New York, so they did. In the fall, they did indeed return to Carnegie for more successful shows. They played Central Park, headlining the outdoor package show there, and drew however many people you want to take from observers there - 100,000...150,000...somewhere around there. The gig was filmed and broadcast later on ABC. You can watch a video showing a sea of fans moving and grooving to Heroes And Villains, etc.
They were on David Frost's show, and Dennis got the spotlight as well as being asked about Two Lane Blacktop, which was released just after the Central Park show.
The notion that the Beach Boys were at a low point in terms of demand did not hold true in New York, and wasn't true especially after the Carnegie show in February and related media reports literally lit a spark under the group's fortunes and increased their demand. 1971 was a good year.
If the Fillmore bookers were banking on what happened back in '68 to gauge the demand and viability of the Beach Boys as a featured act, they were clueless. Remember that Graham's Fillmore - and this can be shown clearly by seeing who else was on the bill for that final show - was focused a lot on blues-based acts, and specifically those who would feature extended jams. The Beach Boys were not and never were a band to feature jamming or even heavy blues-based excursions. But they were, actually, in demand in New York by the time the show actually happened and a lot of it was on the strength of their songs, which they managed to fill several hours' worth into the sets at Carnegie and floored people by being so damn good at doing it.
I'd say the Fillmore bookers had their reasons to be wary about booking the Beach Boys to the gig, but I'd also say they must have had their heads in the sand regarding the band's profile and demand fro them in New York at this time. And that can kind of hilariously be shown by watching video of the band in Central Park playing for over a hundred thousand fans just a week after the Fillmore.
Arguing about order of appearance and who will open for whom is age-old showbiz stuff regarding ego and the fear of getting upstaged, etc. Same with who gets billed as the headliner versus the lead-up acts.
But the band at this time in 1971, following the triumph of Carnegie in February, was actually a hot act, they were making money, they were getting positive press coverage, and they were getting both respect and getting noticed. So '71 was a good year. Whatever Reiley was doing was working, and the band was delivering great shows.
Mostly accurate, but to claim that Carnegie Hall was packed for the February concert is quite misleading. Originally they were scheduled to perform two shows at Carnegie Hall that night, an early and a late show. In fact POOR ticket sales forced the promoters to cancel one show. The one show ended up being a virtual sellout but the reality is they couldn't fill Carnegie Hall, not a very big venue, for two shows. However, their strong performance that night was the catapult for a much stronger demand when they returned in the fall. In 1972 they had no problem selling out two shows at Carnegie Hall on Thanksgiving night. I was there for the midnight show and they were at their very best.
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