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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys 1969: I'm Going Your Way on: December 27, 2019, 12:25:12 PM
Thanks!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Beach Boys 1969: I'm Going Your Way on: December 27, 2019, 11:51:27 AM
Three tracks were released on iTunes today under the title "The Beach Boys 1969: I'm Going Your Way - Single."  The tracks are:

1. I'm Going Your Way (Alternate Vocal Take) 02:37
2. Slip On Through (Early Version) 03:09
3. Carnival (Over the Waves) 02:43

I'm assuming this was a mistake and is just a partial of the entire year-end release.  Does anyone have any more info?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The official status of unreleased material over 50 years old on: January 07, 2019, 09:32:13 AM
I understand what you're saying there, Ian.  I suppose I'm thinking of emptying the vaults in regards to complete sessions for songs already released.  For example, I have a hard time seeing a digital release titled "Pet Sounds: The Complete Sessions" not selling well.  Such a release, as well as the others, could be marketed as hearing Brian work in real time, as opposed to edited highlights from sessions.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The official status of unreleased material over 50 years old on: January 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Thanks for the info!

While I'm incredibly grateful for the archival material released thus far, it still hurts to think about all of the sessions, backing tracks, and other odds and ends that may never see an official release.  I don't understand why all parties involved wouldn't want to profit off of digital-only releases of all sessions, especially if they won't be used for future releases. I'd trade complete sessions and backing tracks any day over the huge quantities of concert recordings.

Empty the vaults!
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The official status of unreleased material over 50 years old on: December 28, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
What is the official status of all unreleased Beach Boys recordings over 50 years old? 

For instance, on the Hawthorne release, there is a session excerpt of “The Little Girl I Once Knew”, which was recorded 53 years ago.  Does that mean the rest of the session for “The Little Girl I Once Knew”, including the backing track, which was never officially released, is now legal to download and possess? Or, does an official release of the song in any form still render unreleased material pertaining to that same song over 50 years old off the table?

If that’s the case, does that mean the alternate mixes, backing tracks, and a cappella versions of previously released songs have been included on recent archival releases, not for legal reasons, but simply to fortify a package that includes select unreleased songs that had to be released for legal purposes?

Just trying to understand what the dividing line is.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 07, 2018, 07:47:43 PM
So grateful for this release! Thanks to everyone involved!

One question - any chance there’ll be another release before the end of the year? I know they snuck in a 2nd volume of Sunshine Tomorrow after the first volume was out for awhile. I’m still hoping we’ll get the backing track for “We’re Together Again”.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song Ranking - Ranking Process on: August 01, 2018, 09:29:03 AM
1. I Know There's An Answer (Backing Track)
2. We're Together Again
3. The Little Girl I Once Knew
4. Here Today (Backing Track)
5. Trombone Dixie
6. Lonely Days (Backing Track with Tag)
7. You Still Believe In Me
8. Wouldn't It Be Nice (Backing Track)
9. Aren't You Glad (Backing Track)
10. Little Pad

8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out?? on: May 09, 2018, 05:09:52 AM
All I care about is "We're Together Again".  It was recorded in '68.  If we get all the goods on that often overlooked gem, I'll be happy!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy biopic reassessed on: April 19, 2018, 09:25:34 AM
I'm grateful (and surprised!) that such a quality film about Brian even got made.  It's quite an accomplishment.

That being said, I would have preferred that they covered '66 to '71 with Dano playing the entire roll, or something along those lines.  I think there is a cohesive enough character arc in that time period, and you could have still ended the film with that amazing Til I Die montage, maybe as Brian hears the final mix through the floor as he lies in bed.  Dano just did something so special with the role.  Plus, you would have gotten to hear Atticus Ross remix the '68 - '71 material!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Archival Release Process on: April 04, 2018, 09:33:45 AM
Thanks for the input!

I’m sure there are reasons for this, but I don’t understand why Capitol and BRI don’t agree to release all of the unedited archived sessions and tracks as digital downloads like they’ve been doing for the 50th anniversary archival releases.  For example, with all of the times it's been repackaged, I’m surprised they wouldn’t release the unedited Pet Sounds sessions and multi tracks.  If they’re just sitting in the vaults, why not make some money on them?  I’m also surprised that more of the Today material hasn’t come out.  I have a hard time understanding how there still no official backing track or vocal rehearsal release for gems such as Please Let Me Wonder.

I do hope that the “it’s already been bootlegged so there won’t be interest” argument doesn’t factor into the decision for the archival releases.  I haven’t heard most of that material, and I know I’m not the only one.

I know it's more complicated than it looks from my perspective, but I really believe what Brian was doing was so special, especially in his first 10 years or so of songwriting for the band, that all of it deserves to be out there.  Especially full, unedited tracking and vocal sessions as he shaped things toward the end result.  It's educational, if nothing else.  They could still come up with new alternate mixes to garner interest in future compilations.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Archival Release Process on: April 02, 2018, 09:35:29 AM
How exactly does the archival release process work?  Do Mark, Alan and others at Capitol put together a proposal, and then the guys sign off on it?  Or are the guys more involved than that?

On a similar note, does it seem unlikely that we'll see any new archival material released that's more than 50 years old?   
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2017 copyright extension release details? on: December 13, 2017, 09:22:52 AM
Mark and Alan - thank you so much for helping get these releases out!  I can't enough of backing tracks, sessions and vocal tracks.  This was a much appreciated Christmas gift!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 13, 2017, 09:20:00 AM
As long as the vaults are emptied of all things "We're Together Again", I'll be happy!  At the very least, I hope we'll get a backing track and vocals track.  The same treatment would be great for "Wake the World" as well, but I'm really pulling for "We're Together Again". 
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Question on \ on: October 19, 2017, 09:27:49 AM
On the Classic Albums Making of Pet Sounds DVD or Bluray, they got Mark Linett to explain how the track was put together. I believe it's a bonus feature, along with Caroline, No. I will have to pull it out again.

Yep, it's a bonus feature.  But it ends before my favorite part - the tag!  I REALLY hope that somehow, someday, the complete sessions and multi tracks will be released.  I've always wanted to know if Brian had the tag planned all along, or if he came up with it during the session.  The early track on the boxed set doesn't have the horns at the end.  But maybe it's just because he didn't want to rehearse that part yet until they got the verses and chorus down first.  I think IKTAA is one of Brian's finest productions, even though it isn't as complex as some of his other material.  There is so much that's just so right about that track.  The strange sound of the organ and piano perfectly balanced, the forceful bass harmonica, the ethereal guitar part that comes in at the second verse, and the way it all comes together with the horns at the fade - they all combine to make it my favorite backing track.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mark Linnett and Alan Boyd … about that ‘68 package - on: August 16, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
Mark and Alan,

Yes - thank you so much for all that your hard work has given us over the years!  Sixteen years ago, on my 16th birthday, I received a copy of The Pet Sounds Sessions.  That green rectangle box has been the gift that keeps on giving!

If things do work out for a '68 release, can you empty the vaults of all things We're Together Again?  Backing track, piano track, vocals only, previously unreleased mixes, etc.  That would be a dream come true!

One more thing - if by chance we get any more releases pre-'68, is there any way more session excerpts and/or a full backing track for The Little Girl I Once Knew would ever surface?  I know something weird went on with the backing track (part of it was erased by a comedy skit?), but anything close would be greatly appreciated.  The 2 tracks on Hawthorne, CA shot that song into one of my top 5 favorites of all time.

Once again, thank you so much for all the joy your work has brought to my life!



16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best End Tags on: June 28, 2017, 09:25:55 AM
I Know There's An Answer.  That tag is just so wonderful.  It's my favorite Pet Sounds moment by far.  Has anyone heard more of the session than what appears on the boxed set?  I've always wondered if the tag was intended to be that way from the beginning, or if it developed during the session.

Runners up:

At My Window

Til I Die

We're Together Again

17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top 5 Favorite Songs on: May 17, 2017, 09:27:54 AM
5.  At My Window
4.  We're Together Again
3.  Here Today (backing track)
2.  The Little Girl I Once Knew
1.  I Know There's An Answer (backing track - specifically, the tag)
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite Vocals-Only Moments on: February 28, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Stephen Desper's Study Video for Cool Cool Water comes to mind.  Phenomenal vocals!
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: March 27, 2016, 11:00:54 AM
Is there still going to be a Chicago show?
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Al Jardine / Blondie Chaplin Fall 2015 Tour Thread on: November 14, 2015, 07:58:54 AM
I did the soundcheck and meet and greet at the New Buffalo show last night.  It was a better experience than the one I did for the 50th Anniversary show (and almost 2/3 the cost).  This soundcheck, we were able to sit in the very front rows.  During the 50th, we had to sit like 20 rows back.  Brian checked his watch a couple of times, but at other times rocked back and forth during the songs, apparently enjoying himself.  As we walked in to the soundcheck, Brian gave us one of his long stares.  But he also smiled at us a few times during the soundcheck.  Al laughed at one point when the "you're under arrest" line was being sung and discussed. 

The meet and greet was also better, considering that we actually got to stand in front of the guys and get something signed, as opposed to only standing behind them for a photo during the 50th.  I told Al how much I loved "At My Window", and he gave me a big smile and short chuckle and commented on what a beautiful a song it was.  Before I had a chance to say something to Brian, I was told to get behind them for the photo.  After the photo, I was asked to move on, but there was no way I was leaving without talking with Brian, no matter how brief.  He didn't seem like he would initiate anything, which came as no surprise, so I extended my left hand (he was holding a sharpie with his right) and told him what a pleasure it was to meet him.  He made eye contact with me briefly, shook my hand, nodded and said something along the lines of "Ok, yeah".  Not very enthusiastically, but not dismissively or cold either - somewhere in between.  I definitely saw a glimmer of 60's Brian in his face and heard it in the softer, conversational tone of his voice.  It was worth the money to me and overall a pleasant experience. 

Also, later on while we were waiting for the doors to open for the show, Al walked through pushing someone in a wheelchair (someone next to me said it was someone he'd known for years).  Al looked at us and asked which way the theatre was.  We pointed him in the right direction.  A few people went up for autographs and he had maybe a minute long conversation with them.

21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is THE most underrated Brian Wilson song? on: November 03, 2015, 06:49:08 AM
"The Little Girl I Once Knew".  The backing track (or what fragmented sections of it that I've heard) sounds like it belongs on Pet Sounds.  And the tag just explodes with joy.  What he does with the organ and saxes is amazing. 
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Al Jardine / Blondie Chaplin Fall 2015 Tour Thread on: October 29, 2015, 09:15:36 AM
This ticketmaster site lists only Brian for some shows, Brian and Al for others, and Brian, Al and Blondie for others.  Is this accurate, or will all 3 of them be at all of the shows?  Just curious as to who is actually going to be at the show I'm going to...

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Brian-Wilson-tickets/artist/736468


Sometimes they list Al or Blondie on the actual ticket listings, and sometimes they don’t. Sometimes they list one or both of them, but only Brian’s name is on the ticket. Sometimes multiple names appear on the ticket. The September San Francisco show was the first time I had a ticket to one of the joint shows that actually showed “Brian Wilson & Al Jardine” on it. Add to that the fact that Ticketmaster doesn't sell tickets to all of the shows. So the billing can be all over the place.

As far as I’ve heard, Al is scheduled to be at all of Brian’s thus-far scheduled shows through the end of this year (he was even mentioned, I believe, as appearing at the 11/4 benefit show). Blondie has been confirmed for all shows, with the exception of the first five shows in November. I believe he returns to the tour for the 11/17 show. I’m guessing they had been purposely not including Blondie’s name on actual concert billings/promotional materials, perhaps because they weren’t sure up until the last few weeks how many shows Blondie would be free for.


Thanks!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Al Jardine / Blondie Chaplin Fall 2015 Tour Thread on: October 29, 2015, 06:53:00 AM
This ticketmaster site lists only Brian for some shows, Brian and Al for others, and Brian, Al and Blondie for others.  Is this accurate, or will all 3 of them be at all of the shows?  Just curious as to who is actually going to be at the show I'm going to...

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Brian-Wilson-tickets/artist/736468
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations Session Footage on: October 01, 2015, 03:13:55 PM
I was equally as shocked to hear of the 40-45 minutes of footage. 

Fascinating stuff, as that's a lot of minutes worth of footage. I guess that's in the 'holy grail' section of BB gold like the lost film of the CBS news speical at Brian's house. A must see all round.

I flipped when I first saw the footage.  At long last, I had an accurate visual representation of the creative burst of energy that filled the dialogue and music of The Pet Sounds Sessions.  It's amazing watching how musical Brian's body language was during that time, even in the short sections that we've been shown.  I think what I love the most about the footage is that it clearly shows how passionate Brian was about the music he was creating.  That's what is so often missing in Brian's physical presence - even in Brian's early 60's concerts.  His dislike of touring becomes even more obvious when you see how animated he was in the studio compared to performing live on stage.  I'd almost take that footage over the multi tracks for TLGIOK...almost Wink
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations Session Footage on: October 01, 2015, 05:18:23 AM
Yep!! I'm that JustinPlank in the video describing that class I went to that Alan Boyd spoke in. That was last February when Mike and Bruce performed here in Bloomington Indiana. I was equally as shocked to hear of the 40-45 minutes of footage.  I Could watch that as silent footage (much like the BB in London 1966 documentary/DVD) all the way through...it'd be really fun trying to pic together everything that's going on.

Including our plea for this footage, I think we need (as Beatles fans are getting) a DVD release of a Beach Boys music/video anthology.

Thanks for the videos, Justin!  I wish I could have been there!  I live about 4 hours away from Bloomington...I would have definitely made the drive!  I hope Alan does a similar class somewhere in the midwest again.  To listen to the actual multi tracks in a studio would be a dream come true for me.  

Especially with the relative success of the film Love and Mercy, I'm surprised this entire video footage isn't released, even as $10 download on i-Tunes or something.  I know the average "greatest hits" crowd might not care for it, but L&M did an excellent job showcasing what a gift to the world of music that Brian is.  It would be interesting to study 45 minutes worth of Brian in studio...in the summer of 66 for crying out loud!  I know there's legal stuff involved, along with wanting to make sure they get a return on their investment, but this footage, along with wealth of unreleased sessions, seems so important to the history of 20th century music in general.  
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