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826  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on Conan tonight (4/8) on: April 08, 2015, 09:28:47 PM
Not really sure why Brian was there...the only time he was audible in the mix is if his phrasing was off from Sebu.

He looked WAY happier than last week, but if I were in that audience and didn't know Brian Wilson's history...I'd leave there saying, well what did that guy have to do with anything? He barely sang, and never touched his piano.

Total Bullshit as usual.  He played the keyboard the whole time . He was completely audible in the mix. But this is completely in line with just about every post you make. Your agenda shines through though , just fine

My agenda? What is this...the mob?  Shocked


I'm a fan...I watched the show, and I'm commenting. I'm sorry if my thoughts don't line up with your "agenda"...yeesh!

Considering the way you just completely disrespected Guitar fool in the other thread because he actually backed up what he said  (despite you viewing his view as 'stagnant'), well...

Nothing to do with opinion. ..you flat out stated Brian never touched the keyboard, which was blatantly incorrect (and has been pointed out to you twice now). it's okay to admit you're wrong once in a while. No, you don't have to praise everything. sh*t,  I sure as hell don't. But if someone points out something you're incorrect about, no need to get so defensive.

I watched the entire performance live on TV and never once saw his hands make contact with the keys nor did I hear it.

If someone would like to provide a clip proving otherwise, I'll gladly watch it once more.


I wasn't defensive about anyone being right or wrong, I'd like to know what Ray knows about my "agenda".......
827  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on Conan tonight (4/8) on: April 08, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
Here we go...

No. NOT here we go dammit.


I'm a fan and I'm sorry if I don't praise everything Brian does! I don't praise everything ANY of them do!!!


We should be able to comment here regardless of our feelings and not be ostracized for it.

I'm all for conversation about our opinions, but this board has NEVER engaged in that...
828  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on Conan tonight (4/8) on: April 08, 2015, 09:17:07 PM
Not really sure why Brian was there...the only time he was audible in the mix is if his phrasing was off from Sebu.

He looked WAY happier than last week, but if I were in that audience and didn't know Brian Wilson's history...I'd leave there saying, well what did that guy have to do with anything? He barely sang, and never touched his piano.

Total Bullshit as usual.  He played the keyboard the whole time . He was completely audible in the mix. But this is completely in line with just about every post you make. Your agenda shines through though , just fine

My agenda? What is this...the mob?  Shocked


I'm a fan...I watched the show, and I'm commenting. I'm sorry if my thoughts don't line up with your "agenda"...yeesh!
829  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Pier Pressure (board member reviews) on: April 08, 2015, 09:15:17 PM
...it was just one of several examples on this album of Brian recycling Beach Boys material.

Really???

Here is the foundation of Western music for the past several hundred years:

In a "sharp" key:
C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B
In a "flat" key:
C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb B

Those are the twelve individual notes or pitches that comprise all of what we'd call Western music. Whether named in sharps or flats, every chord and melody we hear comes solely from those twelve notes. All of the music we hear comes from those "ingredients".

As something of a musicologist, or historian, or whatever you'd call it, I could trace any number of songs to a previous melody or chord progression. I could pick something on a Beach Boys album and find a precedent on something written in the 1700's possibly as easily as something on a show tune from the 1920's as I could on a Bill Monroe record from the 40's. And on and on and on...

Point is, everyone who writes Western music uses the same ingredients. Just like everyone who writes or speaks the English language uses the same words available to every English speaking person, yet we can identify individuals by the way they write, the way they speak, and which words and phrases they choose to use.

To say Brian is "recycling" Beach Boys songs is, in my opinion, absurd. It becomes more absurd when it gets called out based on a descending chord progression that I could, on demand, find previous examples in any number of thousands of songs.

I just had a similar experience last night where a chord progression came up, and I used it based on what I call the "Hello Goodbye" progression. It's one of the things that simply works, that sounds good, and which writers can call on any time to deliver a hook that they know works and fits so many situations.

Did "All The Young Dudes" 'recycle' McCartney? Did McCartney recycle some Broadway tune from the 30's, or was it a Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven progression? How about Del Shannon's "Runaway"? Did Lennon/McCartney recycle it for "I'll Be Back", Arlo Guthrie with "Comin Into Los Angeles", Chicago with "25 or 6 to 4", Zeppelin with "Babe I'm Gonna leave You", etc?

Or is there a chorale that was heard in cathedrals throughout Europe in the late 1700's by an unknown writer that uses the same chord progression?

It's fun picking some stuff out like that, especially if you're into music history and lineage...but Kokomo?

Just be upfront about it, right? Recycling...no.

Or the next time a chef prepares a chicken noodle soup or something, and he/she puts their own twist on it by adding something unique, should they be accused of "recycling" a soup recipe that may have existed for how many hundred years yet everyone who makes it has an individual way of using the exact same ingredients everyone tthough history has used to create a chicken noodle soup.

Recycling? No way. There are only 12 notes to choose from when writing a song in the Western format...get a statistician to calculate how many unique combinations of those 12 notes could exist and consider what it is that makes individual songwriters immediately identifiable by their style.

And it can easily be traced well beyond the Beach Boys and a chord sequence on Kokomo if there is a genuine interest in tracing the history of Western music, versus anything subliminal or sounding like what some are seeing as a negative.

Thank you for the drive by lesson in music fundamentals.

I'm sure your musicianship is superb considering you view it at a stagnantly textbook level.

The similarities between any two songs have very little to do with the combination of notes, but how they are presented to the listener.


Tempo, meter, rhythmic value, timbre, voicing...and that's to name a few without even scratching the surface on production techniques.


I apologize if my word choice may have set off any negativity, but I don't recall implying that recycled was a bad thing...that's like the ex-CCR members suing John Fogerty for plagiarizing himself  LOL
830  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on Conan tonight (4/8) on: April 08, 2015, 09:06:05 PM
Not really sure why Brian was there...the only time he was audible in the mix is if his phrasing was off from Sebu.

He looked WAY happier than last week, but if I were in that audience and didn't know Brian Wilson's history...I'd leave there saying, well what did that guy have to do with anything? He barely sang, and never touched his piano.
831  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Pier Pressure (board member reviews) on: April 08, 2015, 08:37:25 AM
12. Tell Me Why: I love this! But don't try and tell me you can't smell the dash of "Kokomo" hidden inside this one.

Is that a joke? Because no, I can't smell Kokomo or anything Mike Love related inside this album.
The vocals on the verses have a very similar melody to the verses on Kokomo.


Thank you! Someone else on this board that isn't afraid to acknowledge the good, the bad, and the repetitive...

Why Kokomo? That's nonsense - there's no connection there.

The good, the bad...and the agenda.


The only similarity I can hear is in those descending chords during the verse melodies.


Melodic and harmonic similarities during the verse...that's what I was referring to.

This wasn't an attempt at some Mike v. Brian deal...it was just one of several examples on this album of Brian recycling Beach Boys material.
832  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Pier Pressure (board member reviews) on: April 08, 2015, 07:24:12 AM
12. Tell Me Why: I love this! But don't try and tell me you can't smell the dash of "Kokomo" hidden inside this one.

Is that a joke? Because no, I can't smell Kokomo or anything Mike Love related inside this album.
The vocals on the verses have a very similar melody to the verses on Kokomo.


Thank you! Someone else on this board that isn't afraid to acknowledge the good, the bad, and the repetitive...
833  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: April 07, 2015, 03:17:44 PM
What I would really love to hear at the RAH in London are those long forgotten classic live showstoppers like "Sherry", "Duke of Earl" and "I Saw Her Standing There". Grin
In terms of never-played-before songs, I would love to hear "Rendezvous" from Bruce's "Going Public" album.  I'm not even joking. It would work great. Bruce needs something to sing anyway.
Scott, you can make this happen! Wink



Deirdre and Tears in The Morning would be excellent additions to the current show...I think they'd yield just as great a response as Disney Girls for Bruce.

Honestly Bruce should do Tears, Disney and Deirdre and that's it. They're his songs he sang he should sing them unless he doesn't want to. Him doing Wendy and You're So Good To Me is nice but they're not HIS songs.

Saying they're nice is being generous!  LOL

I like his voice when they do "Please Let Me Wonder" it's much more suited to him than the other two songs.
834  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Pier Pressure (board member reviews) on: April 07, 2015, 03:14:24 PM
After giving the album full two listens, here's my track by track thoughts...

1. This Beautiful Day: This recording works far better than the live version from Jimmy Kimmel. Hopefully Brian won't try this one out this summer...it will never be done the justice it deserves. This is one of many songs I think could benefit from the vocal contributions of Mike and Bruce for a Beach Boys album.

2. Runaway Dancer: Hell. No. I couldn't take more than thirty seconds of this. This is NOT the Brian Wilson I know and love.

3. Whatever Happened: A clear continuation of the first track...same sentiments...don't try it live, coulda been the BB's...

4. On The Island: Love her voice...the music really embodies the lyrics...almost to the point of cheesy, but her vocal inflections save it.

5. Half Moon Bay: Could've been a left over Pet Sounds instrumental...but definitely left-over for a reason...

6. Our Special Love: Beat Boxing...really? Kills the track. Next...

7. The Right Time: The strongest track on the album, no doubt. This should have been on TWGMTR...this could've been a kick ass song to have attached to the entire C50 experience. I can really see and hear the whole thing now...such a shame...

8. Guess You Had To Be There: Another great guest spot on a nice song! I'd like to hear a full Brian version though...the lyrics seem far more personal to him than to Kacey...

9. Don't Worry: This just sucks. The horns, the drums, the production...thanks Joe. Anyone else notice the "Don't Worry"'s in this song have the same intervalic values as in "Don't Worry Baby"? Hmm....

10. Somewhere Quiet: Nice! I feel like this would've fit in nicely on "Summer Days..." I'll take it!

11. I'm Feeling Sad: This feels like something that should've been on Ringo's new album...skip...

12. Tell Me Why: I love this! But don't try and tell me you can't smell the dash of "Kokomo" hidden inside this one.

13. Sail Away: It's the Sloop John B riff...with a slightly updated melody and lyrics. As said above, Blondie doesn't even sound like Blondie. It's a "Sloop John B" knock off...I'll be okay with that if they medley it live this summer!  Wink

14. One Kind of Love: A cute and gentle track, I enjoy it a lot...but I can't help but think somebody else's voice may have done it more justice.

15. Saturday Night: The SECOND best track on the album....Thank you NATE!

16. The Last Song: Pretty trite. I never like when aging artists write about the end...it sounds incredibly forced.
835  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: April 07, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
What I would really love to hear at the RAH in London are those long forgotten classic live showstoppers like "Sherry", "Duke of Earl" and "I Saw Her Standing There". Grin
In terms of never-played-before songs, I would love to hear "Rendezvous" from Bruce's "Going Public" album.  I'm not even joking. It would work great. Bruce needs something to sing anyway.
Scott, you can make this happen! Wink



Deirdre and Tears in The Morning would be excellent additions to the current show...I think they'd yield just as great a response as Disney Girls for Bruce.
836  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie & Brian to appear on Jimmy Kimmel Thurs, 4/2 on: April 05, 2015, 03:25:40 AM
Don't think I'll mind missing out this summer!


I definitely wouldn't judge a tour by a Jimmy Kimmel performance months before. It's a sh*t showcase for music, check out their other vids. But at least people who watch televisions for a living heard the words "Brian Wilson."

I'll wager that nine out of ten dentists that wear Hawaiian shirts would agree that you'll be missing out this summer if you missed out on Wilson, Blondie, The Jardines, no Jeff Foskett... and Rodriguez? Crucify my mind and keep rehearsing new stuff for the setlist, fellas!

 I love that they'll be tackling "The Last Song" minus all that sugary Fosketty frosting... think how much better it would sound than this performance with Al and Matt in the mix. Mixed by a competent individual in a great venue. End a set with it right after "Pacific Coast Highway/Summer's Gone."



No show in my neck of the woods anyway!
837  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie & Brian to appear on Jimmy Kimmel Thurs, 4/2 on: April 04, 2015, 08:31:14 PM
Phew...this was rough. Picked all the wrong songs...rough voice to put it nicely. Not really sure why he had all those musicians there, they sure didn't make it any better. He really didn't look to swell either...poor Blondie getting demoted to Tambourine, what a waste...

Don't think I'll mind missing out this summer!
838  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Fest Concert Event! March 30, 2015 on: March 31, 2015, 05:09:37 AM
Fun Fun Fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFNB_V0FCVI

*note Brian checking out Ke$ha @ 0:12  LOL


why does Brian try and sing Fun, Fun, Fun.......give it to Al Jardine or someone that can at least deliver it matching Mike's vocal power.
839  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 29, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
I thought this was the no-spin zone. Mike cannot spin his way out of killing the C50.

The first rule of Mike Love is: You do not talk about the faults of Mike Love. The second rule of Mike Love is: You do not talk about anything ever remotely being blamed on Mike Love. Them's the rules. I didn't make 'em.

Sounds more like the rules of Brian Wilson...most fans on here that actually go see M&B seem more than willing to poke fun at them!
840  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 28, 2015, 10:29:21 PM
Billy Joel shouldn't be overlooked!
841  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 28, 2015, 10:00:55 PM
Give me Cowsill on that, rawer Carl like energy in 70s and 80s. Foskett too polished and more like Carl in late 90's. Mike looks ridiculous early in the Foskett clip, when he saunters over.

Let's not forget his choreography for "dream about you often my pretty darlin'" where he makes his hands like a pillow and then does the hourglass figure hand motion...keep it classy Mike....
842  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 28, 2015, 06:14:56 PM
I really wish that Randell would get more leads. He used to really shine on certain songs. I'm So Young, Good To My Baby (Brian's part) come to mind. I think that he and Jeff are very comparable in their falsettos, and both do great leads on whatever they are assigned to sing, falsetto or otherwise. I think that Randell slightly edges out Jeff on Don't Worry Baby, but Jeff does slightly better on Good Vibrations. Jeff is a much better fit on Darlin than John C, though John did an admirable job over the years. There were some setlists earlier in the year where other members covered Jeff's leads, maybe because he had a cold? It was interesting to see what was assigned to who. Scott sang Good Vibrations, John took back Darlin, Randell took back Don't Worry Baby, and also sang Carl's part on Kokomo. Mike posted the setlists on Facebook, and they were annotated accordingly. The setlists were from January 9th and 10th. Cool to know that they have very capable vocalists to take over leads when needed.


I too prefer Randell's falsettos to Foskett. They're less abrasive and seem to blend better in my opinion. Now, I've only seen Foskett back with the boys once so maybe this was just a matter of mixing, but I know I felt the same way when I saw him with B-A-D in 2013.

And I gotta say....Cowsill knocks "Darlin'" out of the park...haven't heard Foskett do it, but I find it hard to believe he does a better job than John.
They both do a great job, but I feel Jeff's lead is much closer to the original:

Jeff: The Beach Boys - Darlin: http://youtu.be/TrKk95qk100

John: Beach Boys & John Cowsill, Darlin' live Niagara F…: http://youtu.be/yv7Uf34-Q_w


I agree, they both do a great job...Foskett did better than I expected. But, it was very clean and pleasing.

I like a good ole raw Cowsill performance of Darlin'  Azn
843  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 28, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
The Girl From NYC & Amusement Parks USA would be great M&B songs...

Girl Don't Tell Me would be interesting

California Girls, Help Me Rhonda, Let Him Run Wild, Then I Kissed Her, and You're So Good To Me really wouldn't be surprising at all...

and anything else would just be pointless...
844  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 27, 2015, 06:19:33 AM
I really wish that Randell would get more leads. He used to really shine on certain songs. I'm So Young, Good To My Baby (Brian's part) come to mind. I think that he and Jeff are very comparable in their falsettos, and both do great leads on whatever they are assigned to sing, falsetto or otherwise. I think that Randell slightly edges out Jeff on Don't Worry Baby, but Jeff does slightly better on Good Vibrations. Jeff is a much better fit on Darlin than John C, though John did an admirable job over the years. There were some setlists earlier in the year where other members covered Jeff's leads, maybe because he had a cold? It was interesting to see what was assigned to who. Scott sang Good Vibrations, John took back Darlin, Randell took back Don't Worry Baby, and also sang Carl's part on Kokomo. Mike posted the setlists on Facebook, and they were annotated accordingly. The setlists were from January 9th and 10th. Cool to know that they have very capable vocalists to take over leads when needed.


I too prefer Randell's falsettos to Foskett. They're less abrasive and seem to blend better in my opinion. Now, I've only seen Foskett back with the boys once so maybe this was just a matter of mixing, but I know I felt the same way when I saw him with B-A-D in 2013.

And I gotta say....Cowsill knocks "Darlin'" out of the park...haven't heard Foskett do it, but I find it hard to believe he does a better job than John.
845  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's UK tour.... on: March 24, 2015, 05:24:23 AM
They seem like rather daunting venues...
846  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 23, 2015, 08:32:20 PM
The Ryman show:

My first since JF joined Mikes band.   Improved vocals overall for the group.   Pisces Brother a first for me.  Not really surprised that ML finally took the Maharishi/Beatles references to this new level complete with Beatles footage.   followed that song with ATIT with no mention of AJ.   For some reason the vocal blend was not as good as I remembered.   Some songs sounded like JF. Too high/loud in the mix.    Randall did ATIKH.  Very nice.  John Cowsill rocks.  a very good nite for him and an explosive finale.    got to speak with him for a second at the bus.   always seems like a first rate guy.   I asked if he was wiped out after the performance and he said no,  that this was a short set show actually.    Mike and Bruce sounded fine.   Bruce is now doing little sliding shuffles across the stage and on one tune, the front row of the band did a temptations like spin.   There was a guest musician who played pedal Steele on Cottonfields and sax onKokomo, and harmonica on a BW tune, forget which.  Forgive my memory.    Easy to get caught up.    Also, a true accapello , no microphone of THWFOS.......dead silence from the audience throughout... Then thunder applause at the end.   very Impressive IMHO.  Scott Seems to have mastered the surf guitar by now, that is over the years I have watched him, this was his best nite yet.   He Lead WOTs with JF and (RK? Perhaps ?) picking up the final high vocal wail.   Scott also gracious out at the bus in the Alley behind tootsies.   And possibly with AGD in mind, had about 15 young women jiggling around on the stage during Barbara Ann.   some of the video was nice and at one point there was footage of the Cowsills with Johnny Cash from the old show playing  just over Johns drum stand....... A cute and appropriate inclusion for the band's Nashville Show.    Some random recollections from last night.   

What's ATIKH?


I believe he's referring to "Then I Kissed Her", that was the only lead Randall sang last summer.
847  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 22, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
sitting here in a nice hotel suite in N ashville Tn.   Having a cold one.   Getting ready to call a taxi to take me to the Ryman.  I hear it is sold out.   


Can't wait to hear about any surprises they might pull for this venue! I'm feelin' an okie from muskogee  LOL
848  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which BB song is YOUR \ on: March 22, 2015, 06:42:57 PM
Darlin & God Only Knows are the big hits I never tire of...as far as personal favorites...This Whole World is the first one to mind.
849  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 21, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
To augment my previous comment...that performance of "You're So Good To Me" sounds AWFUL. It's also not something they play often, but that's no excuse. It should not be a Bruce Johnston lead vocal. That should be a John Cowsill song and it would be knocked out of the park.

Similarly, that clip of "God Only Knows" was a horrible vocal as well. I don't know that I've ever seen or heard a clip of Brian singing a quality performance of "God Only Knows" on a solo tour. I've only seen him solo once (the Jeff Beck tour) and that was undoubtedly his worst vocal performance of the night.
850  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2015 on: March 20, 2015, 11:59:45 AM
No doubt! This idea would have been exceptionally more useful in 1998 than 2015.

I must say, I don't really know WHAT Alan and Brian want...

And to be clear, I wasn't suggesting a C50 touring style. I was suggesting a band the size of M&B with the addition of Brian Wilson for the summertime. The addition of Brian Wilson (one man) shouldn't equate to a dozen musicians doing the work for him.

Brian playing with Mike's musicians? Have you compared Brian's band (Al, Blondie, Ricky, Sahanaja, Bennett et c) with Mike's band lately?


Yes actually I have my dear Douche of Earl...and I strongly believe that for the majority of The Beach Boys musical catalog, Mike and Bruce's band do a better job.

Surfin' USA needs to be played by a tight five piece band...not an orchestra of a dozen. That being said, Sloop John B sounds lightyears better with Brian's band.

But, the majority of a crowd-pleasing setlist should probably be focused on the early rock and roll songs. Do a winter theatre tour with Brian...idk!

I'm just on here brain-storming and discussing, not making life-changing decisions. Because all it boils down to is money...from BOTH parties. It's all about the dough.

I've got my own dough to worry about...see ya later...
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