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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top five bad career moves on: January 01, 2021, 08:24:01 PM
Mike can't even resist literally touching the crowd. He's still bumping fists from the stage.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which Beach Boys albums/songs do you consider to be psychedelic, if any? on: December 26, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
Of course the music surrounding smile has its moments...as does "Friends" and "2020"...I guess I'd say that's about it? None of them are psychedelic albums by any means, though.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any indications of releases next year as a tie-in with the 60th anniversary? on: December 22, 2020, 04:33:04 PM
I would expect anything like this to take place in 2022 since the 50th was in 2012, and because I'd imagine at the bare minimum, at least the first quarter of 2021 will still be pretty f'ed up by COVID, if not the first half of the year...
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top five bad career moves on: December 21, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
On the original topic, there are quite a few, actually a laundry list of bad career moves that could fill a long list.

But for me, in my opinion, there is one that stands out above the rest.

When Carl died, the Beach Boys name should have been retired and not offered as a license to a sole original member. That decision alone has done more to divide the fans and followers than perhaps any other single decision in the band's history. If there cannot be a Wilson and a Love and a Jardine on stage performing and being billed as The Beach Boys, there should have been no Beach Boys. Is it any indication of the seriousness of the arrangement in general that the name can be used for live shows but NOT new recordings unless the aforementioned original members are involved? Why is that even a stipulation if it's all and only about generating revenue for the parent company BRI? When you ponder that question, the situation overall starts taking shape and realization sets in that there is more at stake with that name than a franchise to be licensed.

Some issues are about more than making money or appeasement. That's my take and it's been my take since 1998. No Wilsons, no Beach Boys. There were other ways to handle this after Carl's passing.
I was very late to finally accepting Mike's Beach Boys. Finally saw them September of 2019, and it was a great show; all the hits, a few "deep cuts", and a few new songs; but I agree, the name should have been retired when Carl died.
The Beach Boys sure had a strange touring operation for many years. The first was having their leader, Brian, not part of the touring band from 66 onwards. Can you imagine going to see the Kinks in 1966 and Ray Davies is not there? (note: this did happen on one European tour that year - I'm sure someone else remembers the name of his replacement) The Beatles without John Lennon? (and there was that one tour where Jimmy Nicol subbed for Ringo - a situation none of the guys were happy about)
If the bandleader needs some time off to focus on making records, then why can't the band take a break from live shows?
This created a situation where it was seemingly okay for various members to pull a disappearing act - even Mike has done it a couple times - 1970 when Brian filled in for him, and 1990, when Gerry Beckley toured with them. Did Al ever miss a show, or an entire tour? I saw the  Beach Boys at the Puyallup Fair in 1985, and Carl was absent - Brian took his spot, if you can call it that. I think everybody knew back in 1981 when Carl took an extended break from the band to do his solo stuff, but what happened in 1985? They had a new album out, and the highlights of it were mostly Carl's. I was disappointed I never got to hear "It's Gettin' Late" sung live.

Amen. This is exactly why I placed the second on my list:

2. Rapidly Replacing Brian Wilson with Glen Campbell, Bruce Johnston etc.

It set a precedent that is STILL snowballing. It's been a couple years since I've seen Mike and Bruce now, but between 2010-2018 I saw them ten times. Every one of those concerts, I made a point to listen to the folks talking around me, and even talk with some of them about their knowledge of just exactly what and who they are saying. Usually, everyone knows Mike Love is there and Brian Wilson is not...but beyond that, it's hysterically sad. I've had folks after telling me how they grew up with the band, soundtrack to their life blah de blah de blah...ask if any of the Wilsons were on stage that night? Most of the time, no one in their crowd cares - and this is something that has been growing as a result of Brian's rapid replacement in 1965.

On the otherhand, I've seen Brian's band five times between 2013-2018, and everyone was always very in the know of who and what they were seeing. Totally different crowd. I'd bet Brian, Alan, David, and Blondie could all walk clear through the center of a Mike & Bruce concert and not get recognized by one person. Hell, I bet if Mike and Bruce took their ball caps off, they could walk through the crowd and not get recognized either.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top five bad career moves on: December 20, 2020, 03:09:36 AM
As for not appearing at Monterey, well, that can be argued. Bruce concluded that it turned them into surfing Doris Days in the minds of the public. They had already long since put the candy-stripes behind them and had enough mature material to take on the best.

I'm not trying to split hairs, but they most certainly were still wearing stripes in '67.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top five bad career moves on: December 19, 2020, 09:24:06 PM
1. Abandoning Smile
2. Rapidly Replacing Brian Wilson with Glen Campbell, Bruce Johnston etc.
3. Rapidly returning to NEVER-ENDING touring after Dennis Wilson's death.
4. Rapidly returning to NEVER-ENDING touring in the current arrangement after Carl Wilson's death.
5. Kokomo

Each of these things continue to cheapen their existence (well, except number one.)

I would argue that not appearing at Monterey was actually a smart move. What were they going to do? Pop on stage in their stripes and rip through Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow for the likes of Hendrix?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billy Gibbons & Mike Love Ė 409 on: December 15, 2020, 06:17:41 AM
That was better than expected...but my expectations were pretty low. LOL
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What was the highest Heroes and Villians could have possibly charted? on: December 10, 2020, 11:04:26 AM
I know we're talking about America's summertime band, but I think this is one exception where a non-summer release could have done the record good. Autumn of '66, with "Good Vibrations" and so on from SMiLE, probably would've gone further...or maybe it would've been lost in the explosion of "Good Vibrations"?  Huh
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Itís OK on: November 28, 2020, 08:17:55 PM
Isn't that like saying Do It Again doesn't have a chorus, they just go dit dit dit a bit

I'd stress more the lack of a "hook" than a formal chorus section of the musical form. "Do it Again" has that hook in several variants throughout the ends of phrases "let's get back together and do it again" etc. But if you really want to get right down to it, "Do it Again" is just a slightly better "It's OK", right? The function of both tunes is to be derivative of their own past and beginnings.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Itís OK on: November 28, 2020, 02:00:56 PM
It's OK is indeed, just that.  LOL

In addition to all the flaws in marketing you mentioned, the song is missing a signature Mike Love lyrical hook. There is no chorus. Just a hand full of verses, then like this pre-chorus type thing with "gotta go to it...YEAH" and then it never really goes to a chorus. The "find a ride" line from Dennis is more of a tag than anything.

It was a recipe for success, but it's missing one of the key ingredients. Just one of many missed opportunities by Mike Love.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: November 19, 2020, 06:21:59 PM
They've added a drive-in Christmas show in CA...it popped up on Facebook today...if anyone cares. The comments were overwhelming with folks calling out Mike for his recent associations with No. 45 ...
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Musicianship of each of the Beach Boys? on: November 19, 2020, 09:39:01 AM
Aside from Bruce, NONE of them are versatile...and we haven't seen proof of Bruce's chops in DECADES. If you don't use it, you do indeed lose it. This is NOT like riding a bike...

However, in their "Beach Boys" idiom of music, they were all delightfully competent at what they do. Drop another group's chart in front of them or God-forbid, REAL sheet music? I'm not sure how long that would last. Brian and Carl had to have learned to read to some degree over the years, maybe Alan too.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: November 16, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
Those vocals were rough all the way around. It was less noticeably offensive because it wasn't a soundboard recording, but it's no better or perhaps marginally at best.

It's disgusting those Utah shows even happened. I'm stunned that the DC Anthem show hasn't been cancelled yet on 12/1, just a few weeks away.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: October 30, 2020, 07:48:22 PM
I've heard Mike Love 11 times between 2010-2018 and every time sounded as good or better than the time before EXCEPT the last time: 2018 Christmas Tour. There was noticeable deterioration from Summer of '17 prior.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike to be part of Jerry Lee Lewis tribute on: October 28, 2020, 06:40:01 PM
What a waste.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike to be part of Jerry Lee Lewis tribute on: October 27, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
So what did he croak out for the event?
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: October 27, 2020, 06:08:21 PM
I always got the impression that David was fairly neutral and didn't want much of anything to do with the BS. No proof on that, just my observation.

I've seen him with both Brian & Al (2013), and with Mike & Bruce (2015) and he seemed equally distant with all four guys.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: October 25, 2020, 05:14:25 PM
Oh my Lord that is awful.

First off, it is so obvious when Stamos is on kit. What a damn mess. Got enough cymbals?

Second: vocals. Ouch. I did indeed listen all the way through, not much else to do! It wasn't until SLOOP JOHN B/WOULDN"T IT BE NICE that I found a decent lead vocal. Is it Totten? Last time I saw them (2018) Bruce was still taking the lead on this. The harmonies through the entire set are disastrous. Mike finally gets a decent lead on "California Girls". Bruce sounds drunk on "Do You Wanna Dance" like he's legit slurring. What even is that? And is that McGrath butchering Rhonda?

As their fearless leader would say .....   SAD!
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce in 2021 on: September 01, 2020, 05:33:42 PM
How could you say hopes are dashed?

They honored their 50th in 2012, so wouldn't it make sense to honor their 60th in 2022?

No.  What would make sense is to do it before somebody (else) dies.

If they cared about the mortality of their fellow bandmates, they never would've split into fractions of a band in the first place. Clearly, that is not the case, and at least a majority of the parties involved are rather motivated by the dollar.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce in 2021 on: August 31, 2020, 02:27:24 PM
How could you say hopes are dashed?

They honored their 50th in 2012, so wouldn't it make sense to honor their 60th in 2022?
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: August 10, 2020, 07:43:14 PM
In this video from 8/2, the camera pans back out to the audience.

https://youtu.be/1B4xANQYLUc



That is beyond crazy. I can't compute.

On the plus side, the band sounds tight. They hadn't played together in nearly six months. Although, Bruce sounds weaker than ever on the bridge.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys trying to sack Bruce around Sunflower on: August 10, 2020, 01:53:01 PM
Bruce never had any business being a full-time member of this band. I like nearly all his songs, but they bring every record they are on to a screeching halt. In live recordings from the 60's and 70's, he sticks out like a sore thumb. By his return in the 80's and onward, he was just another guy in the big party on stage and it didn't really matter. Bruce has had the easiest job in rock and roll: clap your hands and tour non-stop. I see it as the equivalent to a paid vacation for the last 40+ years.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: July 13, 2020, 04:07:59 PM
Even though not everyone has accepted it, the concert industry is toast for 2020. I was lucky enough to get one concert in back in February (Billy Joel at the Garden, on my birthday!) However, I had two nights with Ringo in June, reschedule to June 2021. I was to go back to the Garden next month for Billy, that's rescheduled to February 2021, and I STILL have tickets for Hall & Oates, Squeeze, & KT Turnstall on August 22nd. There has still been NO word whatsoever and according to the website, it is still on. I don't see how this is possible at all and am astonished that nothing has been said as we sit here a mere five weeks out from the date.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian sings Happy Birthday for Nancy Sinatra on: June 08, 2020, 01:05:18 PM
Oh I just LOVE it! It's been so beautiful actually hearing Brian playing the piano this year...one of the good things to come of COVID-19 I suppose! That being said, has anyone noticed that he plays almost all of his accompaniment an octave higher than "normal"? His "bass notes" are all around middle C, and his RH chords are all on the top of the treble staff. I noticed this on the Colbert videos as well.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as part of a wedding on: May 16, 2020, 07:08:28 PM
Congratulations!

We're due to be wed October 10th and our wedding party will be singing my arrangement of "God Only Knows" in the ceremony. We have a Beatles Tribute Band doing a blend of music (but Beatle heavy- sans costumes) for the reception, and there will surely be Beach Boys in there.

How has this Coronavirus Mess impacted your plans thus far? We'll be sending invitations out 'round about the time of your date and am honestly quite concerned about a second wave in the back of our minds this fall...
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