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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: April 14, 2019, 04:08:37 AM
I'll add one more fact that maybe I should have from the beginning, which is the source of my dismay and annoyance with Bruce as a musician: He has ALWAYS been THE most gifted instrumentalist of all the official Beach Boys. No question, no one else comes close. I'm not denying his ability however, if you don't use it...you do lose it...so I sure hope he is using his skills in other venues off the Beach Boys stage because they were indeed, a gift.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: April 13, 2019, 08:13:51 PM
Here's a great clip to accompany that great response Nate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utHLDoL_n7k

Immediately at the beginning of the clip you can see and hear Bruce play the pitch bend however, it sounds to me like his basic DX7 sound just like Disney Girls. Hear that "sparkle" in there? It's a little brighter to our ears because of the changing pitch so I can see why it might sound like a 12-string function.

Then, from 1:04-1:14, the camera stays on Bruce and you can clearly watch (count the four beats of each measure in your head while you watch...not seconds, but beats) and you'll see that his hands (when they move) don't move in any rhythmic pattern or accuracy...they do not land on a steady beat, or even an off beat. It's completely random placement at best. I'm not saying you denounced this, just another example.

"lastofmykind"- ...my, what a depressing name. Alas, you obviously did not read my posts clearly. I'm not dignifying yours with a productive response.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: April 13, 2019, 05:04:00 AM
I assumed Bruce's keyboard was a prop but this is what I was told by Scott Totten ...


"Bruce's keyboard is always on.  His keyboard is the main sound in DARLIN and the chorus and bridge of VIBES."

Yes, Scott told me the same exact thing. I have watched Bruce's keyboard intently during those songs and others from many viewpoints and at many different concerts and as a pianist myself, I will say with the utmost confidence that the only song he plays EVERY time, is "Disney Girls" on the cheesy 80's EP sound. I have also picked it up occasionally on "Don't Worry Baby" and have seen him give starting pitches for "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" with that keyboard. That is it. I've never seen or heard anything to indicate playing on "Darlin" or "Good Vibrations". His hands are all over the place...and he is CONSTANTLY obsessed with the mix and signaling to the sound guy which makes it even funnier. The only other speculation I can make, is that he sometimes plays vocal harmony parts that are doubled only for in-ear monitoring and not in the house mix, which would explain why his playing seems out of time and inconsistent.

Cool it. It's obvious that Bruce's keyboard is his personal accompaniment. Just like when a guitar player prefers to play guitar while singing. Is Al Jardine also faking it just because we can't hear his guitar?

Man the hate towards Bruce and Mike on this board is ridiculous.

No, he's not. I've seen Al Jardine carry his own in a story teller setting on guitar just over a year ago. I've seen Bruce Johnston with The Beach Boys TWELVE times and firmly stand by my statement above...yeah, I'm really fueling the hate on this board by cushioning his piggybank with ticket sales...and that's after being verbally accosted by the prick for no reason two summers ago after a show while waiting to speak to John Cowsill. Also, as a 24/7 musician and teacher of music, Al Jardine is playing the chords in rhythm, occasionally stopping to entice the crowd (since God knows Brian won't) and sits low in the mix for that purpose. Bruce's hands are all over the damn place completely out of rhythm. I know the keys are depressed at times but they following no RHYTHM or personal accompaniment to match the tune as you suggest. That's why I have speculated the vocal harmony cue theory...but even that seems silly....and, when did I show hate towards Mike? With the twelve tickets I've bought of his? How about you cool it and get your facts straight before you start going off for no good reason.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Last Beach Boys song you heard on the radio on: April 09, 2019, 05:29:59 PM
I don't think I've heard any Beach Boys that I wasn't responsible for playing, since Christmas time when "Little Saint Nick" "The Man With all The Toys" "Frosty The Snowman" and the occasional rarity of "Christmas Day" turn up on our local Christmas channel.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Seems to be what Al was hinting at was a BBs family & friends reunion... on: April 09, 2019, 05:26:39 PM
While Alan is indeed booked for July of this year, Mike and Bruce already have visible bookings into March 2020 on their website...not that these couldn't be cleared if need be, but worth noting.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: recently uploaded crazy Beach Boys commerical, staring Mike+Bruce on: March 21, 2019, 03:54:33 AM
 My favorite part (and by favorite part, I mean least favorite) is Bruce stopping everything he's doing (which, you know, is quite a lot) to turn around and say "NOONAN PONTIAC!" while on stage mid-song to the camera.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Happened to jeffrey Foskett?? on: March 13, 2019, 08:09:29 PM
Swapping Foskett for Ike would be an enormous step up for the band. Foskett was really struggling at the Christmas show I saw last year. However, I thought Ike gave up the road for his family.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: No Endless Summer on: March 08, 2019, 07:47:51 PM
Smaller venue circuit hits sooner? That boom of arenas and stadiums in the late 70's into the early 80's probably never would've happened, and the legacy would be even more watered down than it already is.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: March 01, 2019, 12:14:32 PM
Foskett was present on 2/2/2019 so I think he misses some gigs but not others.

For Bruce being all over the place, check out this clip. He has cue cards for some reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzYw7p3qCI

I've noticed those as well but have never had a vantage point to read them. Gosh that clip was rough, all the way around...
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: February 28, 2019, 06:58:07 PM
I assumed Bruce's keyboard was a prop but this is what I was told by Scott Totten ...


"Bruce's keyboard is always on.  His keyboard is the main sound in DARLIN and the chorus and bridge of VIBES."

Yes, Scott told me the same exact thing. I have watched Bruce's keyboard intently during those songs and others from many viewpoints and at many different concerts and as a pianist myself, I will say with the utmost confidence that the only song he plays EVERY time, is "Disney Girls" on the cheesy 80's EP sound. I have also picked it up occasionally on "Don't Worry Baby" and have seen him give starting pitches for "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" with that keyboard. That is it. I've never seen or heard anything to indicate playing on "Darlin" or "Good Vibrations". His hands are all over the place...and he is CONSTANTLY obsessed with the mix and signaling to the sound guy which makes it even funnier. The only other speculation I can make, is that he sometimes plays vocal harmony parts that are doubled only for in-ear monitoring and not in the house mix, which would explain why his playing seems out of time and inconsistent.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: February 27, 2019, 05:54:46 PM
Bruce's keyboard has been a prop for forty years.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: January 25, 2019, 11:12:49 AM
Dang that stinks - was hoping Baltimore would be more affordable - I'm not close but saw the show in Ohio has seats as low as $20...

Received an email today for presale for Baltimore show...yes, it's all back up and running. No tickets under $100...no thanks!

I had 2nd row seats at Montgomery College for $10 each in 2015. No way am I paying triple digits four years later for a show I've seen three times since.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: January 24, 2019, 07:37:57 PM
Received an email today for presale for Baltimore show...yes, it's all back up and running. No tickets under $100...no thanks!
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: January 17, 2019, 06:50:57 PM
June 12, 2019 - Baltimore, MD - Hippodrome Theatre

Is this one still on?  I don't see it on the Hippodrome calendar or BW's tour page.  Thanks!



Interesting! It has vanished completely from Brian's tour page as well as his Facebook page. I never saw it on the Hippodrome website to begin with. I wonder if they jumped the gun with promotion and something fell through.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: January 10, 2019, 04:59:45 PM
Out of curiousity, how long does it take for a band of Brian's caliber to rehearse a song from scratch up until it's ready to be performed? Take for example "Mess of Help" which they haven't done live (and I can dream, can't I?). If Brian came up with the idea to play it, how long before it could be in the setlist?

To play it well with accuracy? A half hour?

To re-create the record and ensure that can be repeated night after night? (For these guys) probably just a few days.

I think the repetitive setlists are to keep Brian on track although, that seems to bore him. This band could play thirty different songs every night without a problem.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: January 09, 2019, 02:23:16 PM
That was very carefully crafted to only show Mike and Bruce, for a change!
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: January 08, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
Baltimore Hippodrome June 12th

This is BS. He brought the 50th Anniversary of Pet Sounds Final Performances to this venue in August of 2016, and now what? The FINAL FINAL performance in 2019?

I'll pass.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: December 08, 2018, 02:02:20 PM
Never seen this happen before: Mike forgets the lyrics to surfin safari!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhxErnS24wk



He didn't quite "forget the words"...he jut messed up the form. He started into the chorus after the guitar solo, heard them shift to the IV chord on the verse, and then it sounds like Foskett takes over to finish the phrase as Mike hops back in with another go round of the chorus.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: December 06, 2018, 01:31:10 PM
Yeah, that's about how they sounded the night before.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: December 03, 2018, 08:21:21 PM
None of them have the tact to bow out gracefully with a farewell tour...there have been countless opportunities in the past oh...forty years or so, to do something like that and it could have left them in such a better place. It'll never happen. I wouldn't necessarily say they'll never perform together again. But with Mike, Bruce, and Brian don't even have their 2012 chops anymore to do something on a C50 scale. To market them at that height, in those kinds of venues...would end up being an embarrassment.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...as a fan (not making any judgements or assumptions), I'd like to see "The Beach Boys" defined as Brian Wilson's touring band with John Cowsill and Scott Totten...fronted by Mike Love, Al Jardine, and David Marks. Mike brings the signature showmanship that, like it or not, is associated with the attitude of this band on stage. Alan brings authenticity in his vocals and sincerity that can't be replaced. David brings some sick guitar licks and adds to the authenticity. Bruce Johnston is disposable. He played his keyboard audibly, one time Sunday night on "White Christmas" and it was just poorly timed rolling chords on the downbeats. His vocals are like a notch between a crackle and a whisper. He can surf his days away in Santa Barbara. And then there's Brian. I'd like to see Brian given a free pass. If he wants to come along, there's a keyboard and his lead vocals are waiting for him. If he doesn't feel up to a run of shows, then the production can run all systems go without him present as it has many times before. The key would be to never advertise or confirm his presence, and that any extended expense of his travel beyond what the rest of the band requires, is covered himself...as that simply isn't fair to people who are out year round making a living off this.

BUT...that'll never happen. Of course, timing plays a part, but I suspect Brian's show will stop before Mike's does. I'd imagine his band will split and find their own work, very easily, elsewhere. Blondie will disappear back into the darkness, and Alan will continue with his couple dozen solo shows a year. When it's time for Mike to stop or he is stopped by higher powers, I have zero doubt that "The Beach Boys" will tour. The rock and roll answer to the Glen Miller Orchestra. I doubt Bruce would stay without Mike. Would David and/or Alan for that matter, be invited without the Lovester around? Would that then give Bruce reason to stay? All interesting thoughts for sure.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: December 02, 2018, 07:07:22 PM
I just wrote a big review of the show tonight and my internet was lost and with it, the post was lost. I'm not typing it again.

The band was in very rough shape tonight. The first half was far less than okay, and many people in my section noted it. "Darlin" actually crashed and burned when Cowsill missed a fill and the whole band froze for about three seconds looking panicked. Mike and Bruce look and sounds damn rough. The band was not tight in fact, it was quite messy. I point this out because it is not the norm. I was quite shocked.

Part Two was better, but still rough around the edges. It was wonderful to hear the old Christmas music that I never thought I'd hear live. Mike is singing with the recording of himself on his new Christmas songs.

2018 was not a good year overall for Beach Boys live and I hope that doesn't mean we've passed the point of no return. Mike, Brian, and Bruce are not in good voice. Mike's band is not the tight and well-oiled machine they have been from like 2013-2017. Perhaps this is because they've had more of a revolving door lately. The highlight of 2018 by a landslide, is Al Jardine's Storyteller Shows. If your concert budget allows one Beach Boys experience, that's the way to go. His voice still sounds like 1965, his stories are down to earth and honest, his son is a huge asset to the show, great setlist that allows for fan input (Santa Ana Winds from yours truly), and there's a free meet-and-greet afterwards. What's not to like?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 22, 2018, 03:49:33 PM
I agree it is time to retire the Pet Sounds Tour. I got to see it in 2016 and I very much enjoyed it. But it is time to tour under a different set list at least to keep Brian interested. PS was one of the greatest albums of all time, but anyone would find it to get a bit stale to sing for 2 years....
Now that Jeff Foskett is gone, maybe we can finally get some of the Love You material in the setlist.

I'm probably going to get some flak for this, but the new guy replacing Matt sucks.

I think that's a bit harsh however, I agree that he is a downgrade from Matt Jardine.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 17, 2018, 03:39:01 PM
Thanks! I actually created an account a year or two ago and didn't realized I'd never posted here, haha.

Also, there was an album of instrumental orchestrated arrangements of Beach Boys songs playing before the show began. I can't confirm it because I don't have copies on-hand, but I'm pretty sure it was the two Hollyridge Strings Play The Beach Boys albums.

That is correct. Also playing at The Kennedy Center...I believe it was used on the 2016 PS dates too?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 14, 2018, 05:45:19 PM
Because that line hasn't been used during the Pet Sounds tour (2016-2019?) before...I'm thinking of our English fans in particular...
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 13, 2018, 06:12:33 PM
New Pet Sounds Date for JUNE 2019...the "Artpark" in NYC...
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