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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: August 08, 2017, 11:04:37 PM
Al and Probyn meeting fans after a gag. Al briefly mentions he wanted to do more "Love You" songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2imK2elVfs

Brian and Blondie back in LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiUXyh4kNSc



That was a LOT of people waiting after the show!!! When I met Al after the Montgomery College concert, I had to walk with him from the door to the bus to get my photo signed because he was in such a hurry...he signed my photo by balancing it upon his carry-out container he was holding!  LOL  Nice as could be, but he definitely did not have mingling time like he did here.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: August 03, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
That being said, I find it pretty hilarious that the 50th Anniversary tour of Pet Sounds that already had an ironic existence in it's 51st year, is now taking five songs out of the show to focus on an ACTUAL golden anniversary for Wild Honey. Judging by the clips and Brian's apparent boredom with the PS set at times...why not switch the records out? The fans that don't know the Wild Honey deep cuts are probably the same people that don't know the Pet Sounds deep cuts and the people (all of us) that love hearing Pet Sounds in its entirety would probably love hearing Wild Honey in its entirety! Blondie could stay on stage for the whole set as he could be greatly utilized and this band has a great potential for giving more energy to the original arrangements on the album that are maybe a little too simplistic for the live stage.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: August 03, 2017, 08:15:00 PM
If these Wild Honey cuts stick around for the shows back in the states this fall, I just may have to find a way up to my favorite oldies venue this side of the Mississippi...
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: July 29, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
I have to commend Mike's ability to look, act and dress like a 75 year old since around the time he was I'm his mid-40s. That's no easy feat looking like that!

It is pretty strange how he didn't really ever look like the ages of oh say 40-70...It's like the late 1970's hurdled him into his 70's...
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Do It Again 2017 Promo FIlm on: July 29, 2017, 10:02:08 AM
So here's some sh*t to stir: I received an email from Wolf Trap yesterday promoting Mike & Bruce's upcoming concert, obviously a "The Beach Boys" concert, and just below the information for the show there was a video. One horrible, horrible little video...they're using this bile to advertise "The Beach Boys" concerts. That cannot be acceptable.

I wonder if thats the venue. Two years ago, I emailed Wolf Trap because they used a video for Thats Why God Made the Radio with Brian and Al (David was actually at the 2015 show) to promote their 8/23/15 concert.   I got no reply.   

Could very well be. I haven't been to Wolf Trap in three years since their lack of organization cost me the opening number of Ringo's all-starr concert in 2014.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Do It Again 2017 Promo FIlm on: July 29, 2017, 12:41:19 AM
So here's some sh*t to stir: I received an email from Wolf Trap yesterday promoting Mike & Bruce's upcoming concert, obviously a "The Beach Boys" concert, and just below the information for the show there was a video. One horrible, horrible little video...they're using this bile to advertise "The Beach Boys" concerts. That cannot be acceptable.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When did the BB's begin to be thought of as a \ on: July 21, 2017, 08:20:32 PM
Mike Love would never think ANY time is the right time to quit. He would have to be forced out of it, no matter what year.

I think it's safe to say that not one member of this band has cared about a lasting "legacy" for the entire 55 years. Sure, some of cared more than others...I think Carl Wilson takes the cake here...and in a way, Mike Love does too. He just has a skewed perception of what a lasting legacy is and I think most of us here disagree with his definition of it. Regardless, none of the members have been the "keeper of the name" as they've ALL stood by and let these absurdities happen over the years.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something I think we need to realize vis-à-vis Mike and the band's name... on: July 20, 2017, 07:51:51 PM
So, while I totally agree that Mike is a total asshole...what is it that you all are exactly suggesting?

Do you think Brian Wilson should be able to tour as "The Beach Boys" instead of Brian Wilson? I can't see this resolving anything.

Do you think NO ONE should tour as "The Beach Boys"? I wouldn't be opposed to this, but Mike and Bruce would just about fall off the face of the earth without it.

Yes, I am of the opinion that no one should tour as "The Beach Boys" unless Brian, Mike, Al and Carl's estate agree upon it. It should be like The Beatles situation is now - if Paul, Ringo, Yoko and Olivia all can't agree on a project or idea, it doesn't go ahead. Sure, that means that we might not see quite as much stuff happen (good or bad) under the name, but what is allowed will have the consent of all four parties and therefore is probably pretty darn worthwhile.

Ergo, my opinion is that if Brian and Al are not really cool with Mike touring as The Beach Boys right now, they should be able to stop it. Instead, what I hear is that even if this was the case, and Carl's estate voted with Mike, it would deadlock it into a tie and nothing would change. Now the thing to keep in mind is, nobody has said Brian wants to take the license away. Maybe he was bummed about the group breaking up in 2012, but ultimately got over it quickly and is fine with Mike steering the ship. We don't know. Maybe we never will.

Then yeah, I totally agree with you on all of the above. I think it's obvious that all of the guys (except maybe David) really like the idea of touring (more or less) full time now...probably because they know the end is near. They also probably realize it's pretty late in the game to go changing things now.

I hate to take the route of morbidity but it always comes up when discussing this...it won't make sense to change something until one of them passes on. If Mike passes first, I think the admirable thing to do is let the captain sink with his ship....the captain being "The Beach Boys" and Mike being the ship that has carried them on stage for all these years. I'd hate to see the brand "The Beach Boys" turn into The Four Freshmen scenario. Bruce would probably gladly glide into retirement. However, if Bruce were to pass first, I wouldn't be surprised if Mike didn't even cancel his shows that weekend. He would become another faceless Beach Boy in the pictures on the screen.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When did the BB's begin to be thought of as a \ on: July 19, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
They were still a rocking live band post Endless Summer, so I don't think it was that.  I think the BB stopped being a rock and roll band after 1980 and became a lounge/oldies act. They brought back all the surf and car songs, did some awful TV appearances for their 20th ann with Carl gone. To me, that's where it started. They rocked on that 1980 tour and they never would do that again.

Thank God they didn't break up in 1971, we would have missed the best concerts they ever did.

Those kick ass early 70's concerts still would've happened...just sans Mike Love and Al Jardine. Blondie and Ricky and most of the touring back line of The Beach Boys for that matter, likely would've been involved n this hypothetical fusion band that Carl and Dennis carry on with the Holland & So Tough material...and even more music, in this pipe dream of mine at the moment.  LOL
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When did the BB's begin to be thought of as a \ on: July 19, 2017, 07:30:06 PM
They became a nostalgia act when they went "back to the beach". I don't think it was a sudden thing, but like KDS said, "Endless Summer" got the (beach) ball rolling.

With all the discussion going on I've been seriously thinking that the best thing this band could've done as a whole unit, was breakup in 1971 after "Surf's Up".

Carl and Dennis could have splintered off into a new hard rock/soul fusion kind of band and we still could've gotten a lot of the material that followed on "So Tough" and "Holland". Brian probably would've overdosed and would be on a grossly exaggerated pedestal like Lennon, Hendrix, Joplin etc. Bruce could've gone back into production and probably been a wealthy disco slum lord, while Mike develops the "Endless Summer Beach Band" and plays three shows a night in Reno every weekend. As for little Alan Jardine?...good thing he got that college degree.

THEN, maybe somewhere way down the road, all of these guys are still living and breathing, at least thirty years beyond breakup, and they sell out STADIUMS because they get back together and......do it again  LOL
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Do It Again 2017 Promo FIlm on: July 19, 2017, 07:08:41 PM
They do fit the bill...it seems like the only two parameters are to NOT have a hit single in the past twenty-five years and NOT have all your original members...
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: July 19, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
I've only set foot in two football stadiums and I Was not impressed either time...needles, to say, neither time was for a football game  LOL  The first was Sir Paul at FedEx and the second was Billy Joel at M&T Bank.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something I think we need to realize vis-à-vis Mike and the band's name... on: July 19, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
So, while I totally agree that Mike is a total asshole...what is it that you all are exactly suggesting?

Do you think Brian Wilson should be able to tour as "The Beach Boys" instead of Brian Wilson? I can't see this resolving anything.

Do you think NO ONE should tour as "The Beach Boys"? I wouldn't be opposed to this, but Mike and Bruce would just about fall off the face of the earth without it.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something I think we need to realize vis-à-vis Mike and the band's name... on: July 19, 2017, 12:54:04 PM
I agree, time off would have been wise twenty plus years ago (as well as MANY other times throughout their career) but we're talking about a band that hasn't gone more than six months without performing...ever, to my knowledge. What other act can stand up to that?

BUT, it is not twenty years ago. The guys are all approaching or past 75 years old. There isn't exactly much time to "give it a rest". At this stage of the game, I think all parties need to just keep bringing it on stage since they clearly love doing it. Suppose after C50 they had taken four years off and then done a Pet Sounds tour all together. That would've been ENORMOUS, so I get that. But I will be shocked if in the next four years...or rather as they enter their 80's, all four of the touring Beach Boys are happy and healthy and able to be on stage. It is beyond highly unlikely. I'm rambling, but the point is...they should all be doing their thing...would it be better for us if it was just ONE thing? Hell yeah...but it's gone.


15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: July 19, 2017, 11:46:11 AM
It's not that cut and dry for Brian. I've waited a few minutes for him before. I guess most times are punctual...it's still a close call.

...and not everyone is right on time. I've seen Paul McCartney 13 times and have waited anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes for him to come on beyond the time on the ticket.

I was lucky that Paul was late hitting the stage at Fed Ex Field in Landover in 2009.  I got stuck in traffic for about 4-5 hours from Baltimore to Landover. 

Yeah, everyone took that first exit and it got all backed up...luckily I kept going to the second exit and had no problem! That start time was intentionally delayed because of the serious back up due to FedEx Field's incompetency with clarifying routes to the venue and then parking.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Something I think we need to realize vis-à-vis Mike and the band's name... on: July 19, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
What is the alternative that is being suggested otherwise?

When Brian returned to the road in the late 90's, should he have taken the name "The Beach Boys" with him...despite being known through music history and pop culture for not touring?

Mike Love has a long list of unscrupulous deeds that he has willingly attached to the name "The Beach Boys" over the last twenty years, but can any of us imagine a "The Beach Boys" concert without him? Songs like "Surfin' USA", "All Summer Long", "Fun, Fun, Fun", "Barbara Ann"...they all lose their nostalgic, cornball, schmaltz without Michael Edward Love at the helm of the concert stage.

Fast forward back to the present...I think the demand is just fine. Sure, the venues that either "The Beach Boys" or "Brian Wilson" play don't exceed say approx. 3,000 people BUT, I have never been to a poorly attended concert by either group. Both names have an easy time filling middle-low end professional venues such as theatres, smaller arenas, and amphitheaters.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Do It Again 2017 Promo FIlm on: July 18, 2017, 09:26:25 PM
Question: Do you have an available list of personnel available for the track? I can hear Foskett in there.

Reason being, if he recorded the entire track with the entire "The Beach Boys" touring band, isn't it technically a "The Beach Boys" single? And if it isn't, then isn't the touring band technically just "Mike Love of The Beach Boys"...which he sued Alan for...OR does Bruce make the difference here. If he isn't on the track, does that save Mike from this conundrum since he is commonly considered an original member and is still in the touring band?

Don't get me wrong, the live band kicks major ass and I get quite aggravated when ignorant posters put down folks like Totten and Cowsill who do much good for the legacy. However, Mike is really opening himself up to a lot of gray legal areas as he continues to try and push this project into the limelight. Could you imagine if Mike actually lost the name? They already play small venues but trying to book shows as "The Mike Love Band featuring Bruce Johnston" would be an unprecedented challenge for members of this ensemble...
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Do It Again 2017 Promo FIlm on: July 18, 2017, 09:20:31 PM
Here's my perspective: when I usually talk to new people about The Beach Boys I hear one of two things; one, awesome 60s music. Two, laughter about Full House. The latter has happened to me many times in the last decade. And I wish I was joking.

That's my perspective of the legacy. Thus far we have a solo cover that clearly no one likes that was performed by The Beach Boys on national live television across America on one of America's most celebrated holidays. Of course this one lone performance and music video are almost forgetful on their own, but where does it end? I think that's the point people are trying to make.

I mean, rubbersoul, you yourself are talking about booing a Beach Boys concert if that song is played. Let that sink in...you are willing to boo one of your favorite bands over this one song. Imagine when more autotuned/guest artist covers like this come out and they're possibly performed on live television again...how many people will turn off their televisions, change the channel? Will people in that crowd boo too?

Point being, it could turn into another well remembered Full House era, which is why people are miffed about this. Posters like KDS can complain on other forums about those of us worried about the legacy, but frankly given where Mike has steered this band in the past (and how at least one of those moments has latched onto the legacy), I think any worry is well warranted.

You're very right. I guess I am quick to dismiss if this continues to escalate. We'll have to wait and see.

Is there any legal way for Brian or Alan to stop this?

Also, all joking about Bruce aside, I feel like his lack of involvement is very much a conscious decision of his own. As odd and unpredictable as the guy can be, I think he has the musical and commercial brains to see the writing on the wall with this one. I've also always gotten the impression that him and Mike don't really cross paths once they leave the stage. They hardly speak to one another when they're on stage, except when Mike decides to knock Bruce down a peg for writing "I Write The Songs".
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Do It Again 2017 Promo FIlm on: July 18, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
If he has the balls to show this on screen at their concert next month I will boo him through the entire song. I am front row dead center. This is NOT what I signed up for. I hope he has the brains to leave it out of the show. It is a Beach Boys concert and this is a Mike Love remake.

If you read comments on the various sharings on social media, no one is taking it seriously and no one is thinking less of the Beach Boys for it, so can the crap. They're all bashing Mike Love, and rightfully so. There is literally nothing positive about this...even Stamos looks kind of embarrassed.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: July 18, 2017, 08:35:39 PM
It's not that cut and dry for Brian. I've waited a few minutes for him before. I guess most times are punctual...it's still a close call.

...and not everyone is right on time. I've seen Paul McCartney 13 times and have waited anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes for him to come on beyond the time on the ticket.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: July 17, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
You will be cutting it REALLY close. Brian is typically right on time or at most five minutes late, in my experience. But the whole show, with intermission, runs just about two hours.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: July 16, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
I don't know how anyone could not like Blondie...I wish he was in the show MORE!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The cringiest BB moment? on: July 15, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
Seeing as the original poster addressed both personal and musical affairs, I think Dennis marrying Mike's illegitimate daughter takes the cake over anything else any of these guys have ever done.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: “A Capitol Fourth” Concert 2017 on: July 10, 2017, 05:51:59 AM
The look in Mark McGrath's eyes during that performance makes me think he would kill everybody in that audience for just one more hit single  LOL  Wink 2

I think that is a VERY accurate assumption.  LOL
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys “Golden Medley” on Mike’s website on: July 09, 2017, 10:00:29 PM
The songs themselves are executed exquisitely! Proof in the pudding that Mike's band is super tight. That being said, I have zero desire to ever listen to this at home when I have the original studio recordings and a handful of various live versions of each of these songs.
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