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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 23, 2020, 10:37:45 AM
I have no agenda with this post other than to throw this historical occurrence out there...

In 2006 (pretty sure on the year without looking at photos), I took my wife and family to downtown Harrisburg (on the riverfront) to see a Beach Boys 4th of July concert free with fireworks to celebrate.   Like most of the board members, I've seen the Beach Boys individually and separately on countless occasions, but this was the first time I could drag other relatives along to hear the greatest music.   During that timeframe, our Governor was Ed Rendell (Democrat).  Opinions aside, he was a very liberal Governor.   Gov. Rendell gave a welcoming speech that went on at length how much he loved the Beach Boys music and how he was a longtime close friend of Mike Love.   He also stated that Mike 'squeezed' this extra concert in at little to no charge for the city of Harrisburg as a personal favor to Gov. Rendell and that he appreciated it. 
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 21, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
A former coworker  of mine passed away this morning due to Covid...next person who claims Covid is a hoax is out of here . Take that sh*t elsewhere

Agreed.

Even the cesspool that is Twitter is at least taking some measures to block factually misleading stuff about COVID.

It boggles my mind. Empathy/sympathy requires next to no effort, and yet some people just can't even muster that.



Absolutely.

Billy, my sincerest condolences for your loss. That's terrible.  

It's remarkable how Trumpy people, who then firsthand experience a loss due to Covid of somebody who wasn't necessarily even in a high-risk group, might be the first to change their tune if they were previously downplaying it. Just look at Chris Christie as a recent example.

Why is it that it takes a personal experience to do that as opposed to proactively empathizing with others? Boggles my mind. That's the same mindset as Narcissist Mike "he's never been anything but nice to us" Love.

Assuming some of the 'Trumpy people' is referring to some of my earlier comments which attempted to illustrate my thoughts on the politicalized nature of COVID and the exaggeration of implemented precautions.  Can I not have true, honest empathy and sympathy for those that either contracted COVID-19 and fought to overcome the disease or those families which saw their loved ones struggle and ultimately die from the virus?   Just because I have opposing views on the subject doesn't mean I don't have sadness for all the loss and struggles.   The problem is you don't believe that I do.   I said I think concerts are fine and mask wearing is pointless but I also tried to express personal experiences.   I feel that the actions taken to combat COVID-19 are having a larger and possibly more long term detrimental affect.   Its been expressed that I contract COVID, f-off and get banned.   Someone mentioned that people like me think they're above the law.   I actually feel the exact opposite.  I thought I'd be known as the biggest rule follower ever.  If I see signs on private businesses, public areas, etc. requiring the use of a mask, of course I wear one.  I always wear a mask because its expected of me right now.  I don't agree with it and may take political action to see a change, but I follow the rules.   My feelings on masks were from what I learned from published studies.  From what we see, this virus spreads sooo freaking easily.  The droplets expelled can be so minuscule that prior studies on larger molecule viruses had nearly no positive affect of wearing a mask.  Mainstream media even reported that most hospital admissions from COVID were from people already quarantining at home.   I've personally seen no widespread research conducted that the spread of COVID-19 would be greatly different by mask wearing.   I have seen first hand accounts, however, of the detriments including gum disease, increased tooth decal and overall sluggish feeling and hyperventilation from breathing through a mask.   Luckily, the survival rate to COVID-19 appears to be well above 99% using the CDC numbers including all those truly dying from pre-existing or unrelated causes.    When political leaders, like Trump, need to make decisions for the country, both sides need to be considered.   Seems like some people on this board feel the USA is infallible to financial distress and widespread pain/suffering from recessions/depressions.   I know that small business, many industries (including travel) and middle and low wage families were hurt badly during the lockdowns.   Both physically by way of depression, suicide, fear, drug use, alcoholism...social separation...not seeing the doctor when they should have...skipping medical appointments and then...the financial impacts.  Not that financial impacts will lead to widespread hunger initially, but in the long run, harm is realized quickly when business collapse and financial struggles appear.   Its just a lot to consider when your weighing important decisions.    This coupled with the sensitivity to losing freedoms gained only by the millions of lives lost on the battlefield through hard fought wars.   Americans are sacrificing individuals, but both sides need considered.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 02:24:06 PM
also, take your pro-Trump/anti-Obama garbage elsewhere. no one wants to hear that BS here

Okay, no problem.  Duly noted.   I rarely post, but since I saw a couple pages only showing mostly one opinion, I thought I'd throw in my two cents.  I'll shut up now.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 02:18:42 PM
   Luckily, Trump cut off travel to China early on.  
This one always makes us think over here. China - cases 85,685, deaths 4,634; USA - cases 8,428,386, deaths 225,044.

One of those numbers is vastly underreported based on independent research from Wuhan, urn distribution and cremation statistics not to mention almost universal lack of testing and reporting by a Communist government and one of those numbers is vastly overreported based on deaths while testing positive for COVID but not dying from COVID symptoms.   

I'm sorry, but I truly have no idea what you're talking about.   This is the only account I have and I am a longtime lurker who posts very infrequently.   Thanks.

Quick question, do you also go by the name Q?
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 02:17:06 PM
As a huge Beach Boys fan and a strong conservative centered around the importance of values, morals and ethics, I'm proud that Mike is playing the Trump sponsored concert.   For all my other musical 'heroes' that have supported the politics of hatred, divide, racism and suppression of freedoms (liberals), I'm glad that the Beach Boys band name is being represented on the right side of history.    Congrats to Mike.   Remember, the thoughts shared on these boards are not as widespread as you'd like to believe.   Americans in the vast majority of states, cities and counties elected Trump as our President because he stood for the political decisions/directions we so desired after being on the brink of a civil war with President Obama.   The seething anger of racism generated by that man's words and actions were unlike anything this country had saw, but the media and these boards rarely bothered to notice or report.  

For fucks sake, youíre completely missing the point that theyíre playing a concert for a crowd during a pandemic. I donít give a sh*t about Mikeís politics or your politics, it doesnít change that itís stupid and dangerous and against CDC guidelines.

Hi Rocky.  No, I didn't miss that point.  I think its perfectly okay to play a concert during a 'pandemic' because I don't believe its a 'pandemic'.   Survival rates are over 99.9% and nearly half of the reported deaths are dying WITH COVID, not OF COVID.  And American numbers include all the states where liberal Governors placed COVID patients in nursing homes with those most susceptible!  I live near Lancaster, PA where this occurred.  It was truly heartbreaking.  The elderly were killed and then the numbers are now used on Biden ads as political fodder.   The numbers are completely overstated and the real truth is in overall deaths from year to year.   We all have family in the medical field and some in the undertaking field continually exposing death certificates where COVID was slapped on because of the financial incentives.  We also all have families with real examples of healthy people dying of COVID.  No doubt, the virus is real and dangerous, but its been totally blown out of proportion for government control which is making much worse scenarios than simply protecting those most vulnerable.  Luckily, Trump cut off travel to China early on.   Remember, the experts stated for years including this spring that masks do nothing.   Now, people are turning against each other because they bought into the hype that MY MASK PROTECTS YOU.   No, your mask is having more ill affects on you having to breathe your own 'exhaust' all day long.   We could publicize stories on a daily basis of heathly individuals dying from a variety of common illnesses.   This was an evil political opportunity.  For instance, cancer patients are in much higher numbers and always have been more susceptible to illnesses and we didn't care for them with COVID-like precautions??   And obviously, the media is outraged by Trump's rallies but has no problem with the racist protestors that rioted in our USA cities and streets most of the summer months???

Hi Nathan,

It looks like you're taking in a lot of politicized news sources and anecdotes. A lot of the information you're citing has been repeatedly refuted in non-biased fact checks by apolitical groups, and I'd encourage you to be more wary of the places you're getting news from and to try googling some of the information you're citing with the words "fact check" in there to get an alternate perspective from people focused more on accuracy than political perspective.

Best of luck

Hello.   Thanks for being cordial with me.  I appreciate it because I know I'm spewing a lot of thoughts contradictory to a lot of the posters.   Smiley   I do realize that many of my comments probably sound like CNN versus Fox.  Ha ha.  You might be surprised to know that we don't subscribe to any TV service in my house.   I don't entirely oppose Fox news, but I watch zero of it because the political sides and arguments lead to so much negativity that I don't want to harp on it each night.   While the survival rates are from the CDC based on prominent age groups, my main points were from a personal prospective.   I have 5 close relatives in the medical field reporting on their thoughts/oversights in inaccurate testing and their insight.   My wife's close family owes a funeral home/undertaking service and has illustrated the inaccuracies in death certificates and policy changes related to COVID funding to insurance companies.   Some were just blatant lies.  The still serious nature of COVID was gained by my own relatives (not immediate family) that had COVID.  We experienced a small handful of COVID related deaths in our extended family.  They were older, higher risk individuals.  As I stated previously, I am also familiar with some of the small business in Lancaster county, PA that were greatly affected during the lockdown and who had first hand knowledge of some of their very own family that died in nursing homes when COVID patients were initially introduced to the facilities.  The death rates pushed the county numbers sky high and our Gov. Tom Wolf (Democrat) chose to shut down commerce by individual county counts which had great detrimental harm to citizens and small business.  
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 01:22:45 PM
   Luckily, Trump cut off travel to China early on.  
This one always makes us think over here. China - cases 85,685, deaths 4,634; USA - cases 8,428,386, deaths 225,044.

One of those numbers is vastly underreported based on independent research from Wuhan, urn distribution and cremation statistics not to mention almost universal lack of testing and reporting by a Communist government and one of those numbers is vastly overreported based on deaths while testing positive for COVID but not dying from COVID symptoms.   
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 11:33:57 AM
As a huge Beach Boys fan and a strong conservative centered around the importance of values, morals and ethics, I'm proud that Mike is playing the Trump sponsored concert.   For all my other musical 'heroes' that have supported the politics of hatred, divide, racism and suppression of freedoms (liberals), I'm glad that the Beach Boys band name is being represented on the right side of history.    Congrats to Mike.   Remember, the thoughts shared on these boards are not as widespread as you'd like to believe.   Americans in the vast majority of states, cities and counties elected Trump as our President because he stood for the political decisions/directions we so desired after being on the brink of a civil war with President Obama.   The seething anger of racism generated by that man's words and actions were unlike anything this country had saw, but the media and these boards rarely bothered to notice or report.  

For fucks sake, youíre completely missing the point that theyíre playing a concert for a crowd during a pandemic. I donít give a sh*t about Mikeís politics or your politics, it doesnít change that itís stupid and dangerous and against CDC guidelines.

Hi Rocky.  No, I didn't miss that point.  I think its perfectly okay to play a concert during a 'pandemic' because I don't believe its a 'pandemic'.   Survival rates are over 99.9% and nearly half of the reported deaths are dying WITH COVID, not OF COVID.  And American numbers include all the states where liberal Governors placed COVID patients in nursing homes with those most susceptible!  I live near Lancaster, PA where this occurred.  It was truly heartbreaking.  The elderly were killed and then the numbers are now used on Biden ads as political fodder.   The numbers are completely overstated and the real truth is in overall deaths from year to year.   We all have family in the medical field and some in the undertaking field continually exposing death certificates where COVID was slapped on because of the financial incentives.  We also all have families with real examples of healthy people dying of COVID.  No doubt, the virus is real and dangerous, but its been totally blown out of proportion for government control which is making much worse scenarios than simply protecting those most vulnerable.  Luckily, Trump cut off travel to China early on.   Remember, the experts stated for years including this spring that masks do nothing.   Now, people are turning against each other because they bought into the hype that MY MASK PROTECTS YOU.   No, your mask is having more ill affects on you having to breathe your own 'exhaust' all day long.   We could publicize stories on a daily basis of heathly individuals dying from a variety of common illnesses.   This was an evil political opportunity.  For instance, cancer patients are in much higher numbers and always have been more susceptible to illnesses and we didn't care for them with COVID-like precautions??   And obviously, the media is outraged by Trump's rallies but has no problem with the racist protestors that rioted in our USA cities and streets most of the summer months???
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
As a huge Beach Boys fan and a strong conservative centered around the importance of values, morals and ethics, I'm proud that Mike is playing the Trump sponsored concert.   For all my other musical 'heroes' that have supported the politics of hatred, divide, racism and suppression of freedoms (liberals), I'm glad that the Beach Boys band name is being represented on the right side of history.    Congrats to Mike.   Remember, the thoughts shared on these boards are not as widespread as you'd like to believe.   Americans in the vast majority of states, cities and counties elected Trump as our President because he stood for the political decisions/directions we so desired after being on the brink of a civil war with President Obama.   The seething anger of racism generated by that man's words and actions were unlike anything this country had saw, but the media and these boards rarely bothered to notice or report.  
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 06:54:17 AM

Drug use? Wow.  No, never mentioned drug use, but thanks for reminding me of that, too.  Actually, I was referring to other negatively perceived items like their personal behavior and touring in general.  I just assumed that environmentalism, carbon emissions and green-living was important to many of the same individuals and 60 years of touring huge convoys of buses and airplanes around and living in million dollar mansions beyond gated fences seems counter-productive to this type of lifestyle.   

Just trying to put the extreme reaction in context. 

Didn't you say in your previous post you were going to stop reading this thread?



Your continued attempts to obscure the one main crux of this current debacle by employing variations of the "Chewbacca Defense" grow tiresome.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense )

Totally correct.  I have a problem shutting up sometimes.  Sorry about that.   I'll stop now. 
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 06:39:55 AM


Seriously? You're really comparing the Wilsons' drug use with:
 Mike/Bruce's support of a trophy hunting organization/going against the principles they've claimed to believe in for decades/putting the BBs band name to a cause that the BB main creator doesn't believe in/ Don Jr's spokesman issuing a nasty statement about Brian? Also, there have got to be better ways to promote conservation than actually killing endangered animals. You're making no sense.
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Drug use? Wow.  No, never mentioned drug use, but thanks for reminding me of that, too.  Actually, I was referring to other negatively perceived items like their personal behavior and touring in general.  I just assumed that environmentalism, carbon emissions and green-living was important to many of the same individuals and 60 years of touring huge convoys of buses and airplanes around and living in million dollar mansions beyond gated fences seems counter-productive to this type of lifestyle.   

Just trying to put the extreme reaction in context. 
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 04:50:51 AM
Also, I would love to know any justification they have for playing that gig. Mike claimed some freedom of expression BS while some poor guy was being paid to delete all comments about the gig. Was it about money (of course)? Was it about ego (of course)? But for the bandmembers themselves, how do they justify this? Were they threatened to be fired if they didnít play this gig? Do they actually think their involvement in the concert was a business transaction and not a show of support for SCI? Do they even care that the convention they played publicly asked those attending the concert (members of SCI) to ďtriggerĒ/taunt those who oppose the murder of endangered animals? Do they care that the person whose music they were playing was opposed to this concert? Do they care that Al and David were opposed to them playing this concert? Their very own idols asked them not to play and they did it anyways, does that bother them at all?

So many questions, Iím just appalled that the band went through with it. Mike has proven heíll do just about anything for the almighty dollar, but itís surprising the rest of the band didnít protest this.

Oh my gosh, how can I respectfully say that you're off your freakin' rocker, man (along with a couple other of the posters).   My gosh.  A friggin' concert for fans.  I mean...put it into prospective across the 60 years of this bands history.  We've looked past the bad bad things of Dennis Wilson, Brian Wilson...geez...every band member has been associated with shady folks...played shady places in the 60's....70's....certain countries that that had horrible conditions for gays....women...people of color....   Associations with certain publications, donors....private events.... Now, they're private lives...I'm not even going to go there.   You're making this out like the worst ever and now you'll never listen to the Beach Boys.   You're anger is at a level that it feels like you'd be happy to punch Mike Love in the face right now.  All of this 'extra' stuff is not his ownership.  He just agreed to play a freakin' concert and move on.  

I could (and probably are) be totally wrong about my hunch, but you probably rarely even heard of this organization before this situation.  The hate you're showing due to your apparently endless love for these hunted animals seems overblown since I'm not sure how involved you were in fighting this organization prior to this one event.  Its like...if this petition wasn't started and caught the news media agenda, you might have not even known about it.   They were trophy hunting in the past and in the future and you'd be just talking about the upcoming beach boys box set.   So, the hypocrisy is comical.  

If Brian Wilson REALLY wants to assert his stance and attack these hunting practices in a pollical mindset to push to have it made illegal, then he should and I'll be watching.   But, then...some of the hard facts will need to be discussed.   I don't know much about this group of stupid hunters, but I hear that Africa welcomes them because of the millions in fee revenue from buying these trips, the locals get the majority of the meat from the kills to eat and the entire organization has helped on the conservation of many of these animals immensely.   That in no way justifies the action if people choose to make it illegal, but there will, of course, be impacts both positive and negative to a change.  

Man...its tough to 'type' arguments back and forth out.  So much easier to have a conversation.   Probably why I don't post much.  But, I don't want to continue to 'trigger' people.  Ha ha kidding...for goodness sake...kidding.  I'll just shut up and stop reading this topic.  
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 04:39:56 AM


You want to talk about a power imbalance?  The son of the most powerful man in the world just publicly picked on/mocked a guy who was bullied - and literally has brain damage - from his bully psychiatrist, who was brought in to treat Brian's conditions resulting from his bully father.

There will never be another person in rock music hated as much as Mike. Salieri for all times.

Most any BBs fans with a conscience right now should be livid if they really think about this.

Like a broken record...the way you guys see reality under your own lens.   Mike/Beach Boys touring group/this stupid hunting organization/Trump Jr.  all of them going on about their own business doing this event.   Brian Wilson and Al Jardine independently choose to publicly BULLY THEM by publicly calling for people to boycott their concert.   Don Jr. has the audacity to respond and HE is the one who is bullying.   Geez.



Calling for a boycott of organizations/events you don't believe in is not bullying. You think lunch counter protests of segregation were bullying? Bus boycotts? Taking a stand for what you believe in, to support the powerless against those in power, is not bullying.
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Of course I don't think its bullying.  In no way is it bullying.  I'm just using the opposing sides terms and responding to the fact that people are having a fit about Don Jr. hitting back.  None of those involved ever mentioned Brian Wilson's name....at all.  Brian used his celebrity and publicly shamed them for the event set up.   Don Jr. hits back and now he's the evil person.  Does Brian plan to make up for the financial impact he may cause the families and children he may have hurt from the monetary loss his public boycott may cause them?  Is he even considering the children?  Children are more important than animals?   The stupidity. 
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 04:46:39 PM


You want to talk about a power imbalance?  The son of the most powerful man in the world just publicly picked on/mocked a guy who was bullied - and literally has brain damage - from his bully psychiatrist, who was brought in to treat Brian's conditions resulting from his bully father.

There will never be another person in rock music hated as much as Mike. Salieri for all times.

Most any BBs fans with a conscience right now should be livid if they really think about this.
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Like a broken record...the way you guys see reality under your own lens.   Mike/Beach Boys touring group/this stupid hunting organization/Trump Jr.  all of them going on about their own business doing this event.   Brian Wilson and Al Jardine independently choose to publicly BULLY THEM by publicly calling for people to boycott their concert.   Don Jr. has the audacity to respond and HE is the one who is bullying.   Geez.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 04:34:11 PM
I think it is embarrassing for Brian Wilson and Al Jardine to stoop to this level and ask other fans to petition 'their' band.  Stupid and petty.  Just like the media to pounce on a topic and target it before moving on to the next.  Its a freaking paid concert.   Roll Eyes  Like some big change has occurred or something.  Why would Brian allow himself to get sucked into the liberal trolls of the world.   So next time I attend a Brian Wilson concert, I'm sure he'll stop me before entering and make me answer political questions to ensure that I am correctly aligned with his causes and beliefs.   The same boycotting liberals want the Christian cake baker to align with the homosexual ceremonial requests.  Whatever.

Why are they not allowed to have their own beliefs? Just because they donít align with your causes and beliefs?
If it is truly reflective of their own beliefs/opinions, then, I totally agree.  Free country, free speech and more power to them.  I just think its stupid to join in on the public display of shaming against a music concert.  The petition frames the organization with an obvious weight to a specific agenda.   Is Mike replacing the backdrop video with hunters shooting the animals down?  Is Mike coming out with ivory horns and standing on a bear rug?  No, he's just going a generic paid concert.   I've had plenty of negative thoughts towards Mike Love, but can remember him playing the 4th of July in Harrisburg, PA for Democratic Governor Ed Rendell who claimed they were best friends for a long time.  I don't think Mike is always as conservative as some think...I think he just has friends in power and likes to maintain those friendships.

This convention/entity approves the killing of elephants in Africa....the second most intelligent creature on the planet. Mike is playing a concert being paid with money made by the sale/support of these exotic animal body parts....thus, this isn't a "generic paid concert". If Mike wants to do this under his own name, totally fine...I would still disapprove but I wouldn't boycott concerts I don't go to and a solo discography I don't listen to anyways. But instead he is using The Beach Boys name - dragging down the reputation of the music and legacy.

When you're being paid with dirty money it's pretty low to hide behind a monicker when collecting the check.

At some point you have to stand up for what you actually believe in. Years ago Mike wrote lyrics specifically protesting the slaughter of innocent wildlife - so if there is outrage because of his involvement in this convention then it is partially due to the very conservation movement he has helped promote for decades.

The fact that you can earnestly type that with a straight face when the side opposing it is typically the same side supporting the killing of the the first most intelligent creature on the planet, humans.  Abortions of irresponsible behavior.  Geez...priorities...  To the poster before this one replying to me, I totally see your point...honestly.  But, what I thought was stupid was that Brian didn't just separate or distance himself from it....he encouraged others to hurt its reputation.

How about instead of generalizing everyone who isn't in favor of trophy hunting, realize that some of us, people LIKE ME are against abortion (especially what laws are being passed in my state right now). I also enjoy my second amendment right and shoot guns. And I say all of this knowing I'm probably offending a lot of posters right now...people whom I respect and some I consider friends. But I'm really getting tired of people like you trying to turn this into some political circus. This isn't about left vs right, this is right vs wrong.

Killing for FUN is f***ed up. That is the point here. Humanity is a complicated mess of ideas and cultures. It's not the black and white world that Fox News and CNN want everyone to think it is. People are hypocrites, people do illogical things, people can support one thing and support something seemingly opposite at the same time.

But what should be universally agreed upon is that killing for fun/ego/selfies/trophies is appallingly f***ed up, and that The Beach Boys (ya know, that band that spent years being a mouthpiece for environmental causes) of all bands are supporting this is wildly disgusting.

rab2591, I apologize for generalizing you and others who simply oppose this practice. I don't
 support trophy hunting either but I obviously dont have such strong feelings to boycott when I had the opinion that much of the boycott was political based.   
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 03:12:10 PM
I think it is embarrassing for Brian Wilson and Al Jardine to stoop to this level and ask other fans to petition 'their' band.  Stupid and petty.  Just like the media to pounce on a topic and target it before moving on to the next.  Its a freaking paid concert.   Roll Eyes  Like some big change has occurred or something.  Why would Brian allow himself to get sucked into the liberal trolls of the world.   So next time I attend a Brian Wilson concert, I'm sure he'll stop me before entering and make me answer political questions to ensure that I am correctly aligned with his causes and beliefs.   The same boycotting liberals want the Christian cake baker to align with the homosexual ceremonial requests.  Whatever.

Why are they not allowed to have their own beliefs? Just because they donít align with your causes and beliefs?
If it is truly reflective of their own beliefs/opinions, then, I totally agree.  Free country, free speech and more power to them.  I just think its stupid to join in on the public display of shaming against a music concert.  The petition frames the organization with an obvious weight to a specific agenda.   Is Mike replacing the backdrop video with hunters shooting the animals down?  Is Mike coming out with ivory horns and standing on a bear rug?  No, he's just going a generic paid concert.   I've had plenty of negative thoughts towards Mike Love, but can remember him playing the 4th of July in Harrisburg, PA for Democratic Governor Ed Rendell who claimed they were best friends for a long time.  I don't think Mike is always as conservative as some think...I think he just has friends in power and likes to maintain those friendships.

This convention/entity approves the killing of elephants in Africa....the second most intelligent creature on the planet. Mike is playing a concert being paid with money made by the sale/support of these exotic animal body parts....thus, this isn't a "generic paid concert". If Mike wants to do this under his own name, totally fine...I would still disapprove but I wouldn't boycott concerts I don't go to and a solo discography I don't listen to anyways. But instead he is using The Beach Boys name - dragging down the reputation of the music and legacy.

When you're being paid with dirty money it's pretty low to hide behind a monicker when collecting the check.

At some point you have to stand up for what you actually believe in. Years ago Mike wrote lyrics specifically protesting the slaughter of innocent wildlife - so if there is outrage because of his involvement in this convention then it is partially due to the very conservation movement he has helped promote for decades.

The fact that you can earnestly type that with a straight face when the side opposing it is typically the same side supporting the killing of the the first most intelligent creature on the planet, humans.  Abortions of irresponsible behavior.  Geez...priorities...  To the poster before this one replying to me, I totally see your point...honestly.  But, what I thought was stupid was that Brian didn't just separate or distance himself from it....he encouraged others to hurt its reputation.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
I think it is embarrassing for Brian Wilson and Al Jardine to stoop to this level and ask other fans to petition 'their' band.  Stupid and petty.  Just like the media to pounce on a topic and target it before moving on to the next.  Its a freaking paid concert.   Roll Eyes  Like some big change has occurred or something.  Why would Brian allow himself to get sucked into the liberal trolls of the world.   So next time I attend a Brian Wilson concert, I'm sure he'll stop me before entering and make me answer political questions to ensure that I am correctly aligned with his causes and beliefs.   The same boycotting liberals want the Christian cake baker to align with the homosexual ceremonial requests.  Whatever.

Why are they not allowed to have their own beliefs? Just because they donít align with your causes and beliefs?
If it is truly reflective of their own beliefs/opinions, then, I totally agree.  Free country, free speech and more power to them.  I just think its stupid to join in on the public display of shaming against a music concert.  The petition frames the organization with an obvious weight to a specific agenda.   Is Mike replacing the backdrop video with hunters shooting the animals down?  Is Mike coming out with ivory horns and standing on a bear rug?  No, he's just going a generic paid concert.   I've had plenty of negative thoughts towards Mike Love, but can remember him playing the 4th of July in Harrisburg, PA for Democratic Governor Ed Rendell who claimed they were best friends for a long time.  I don't think Mike is always as conservative as some think...I think he just has friends in power and likes to maintain those friendships.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 09:17:54 AM
I think it is embarrassing for Brian Wilson and Al Jardine to stoop to this level and ask other fans to petition 'their' band.  Stupid and petty.  Just like the media to pounce on a topic and target it before moving on to the next.  Its a freaking paid concert.   Roll Eyes  Like some big change has occurred or something.  Why would Brian allow himself to get sucked into the liberal trolls of the world.   So next time I attend a Brian Wilson concert, I'm sure he'll stop me before entering and make me answer political questions to ensure that I am correctly aligned with his causes and beliefs.   The same boycotting liberals want the Christian cake baker to align with the homosexual ceremonial requests.  Whatever.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: January 30, 2018, 09:26:21 AM
Like several other's sentiments, I can enjoy much of disc 1 and even some of disc 2.  I try to stay away from the politics of the band and just enjoy the music and overall heritage of the band. 

But, I am also equally confused over the use of autotune to the point of disc 2 sounding so friggin' weird and dreadful.  I mean, I've been left scratching my head numerous times in the past when artists many times allow certain albums to be mixed and mastered so poorly that they sound more fuzzy, distorted or more amateurish than their prior releases.  It's amazing how often it happens....  Sometimes, you really start to doubt today's technology versus the clean rock albums of the 70's and then you get a batch of albums with a quality studio engineer using today's tools and realize that clean production with all of the best qualities are still available no matter your taste of musical genres.  Weezer's latest album sounds good, Red Hot Chili Peppers latest is very musical, but they always compress too much.   I'm a fan of the early 90's Bruno Mars style and production on his latest album. 

Yeah, we know Mike Love's comments on the autotune in the past....but beyond that....who thinks this sounds okay?  Like I Get Around, for example....I would love to hear that track with the autotune removed and see how bad his natural vocal was.  It probably sound decent and very much like a 76 year old Mike Love which is to say much quieter and much more raspier, but still a vocal that knows how to sing that song time and time again.   Like the 2002-2003 version of Brian's Back.  I enjoyed it because it showed where he was vocally at that time and age.   We can all appreciate things in musical art when provided in a natural way to us.   But this autotune is really screwing things up to an alien/robotic like form and I just can't get over no one inside the crew commenting on it....   Take Jeffrey Foskett's Wouldn't It be nice vocal.  It's pretty good.  He sang the lead on the 1980's disc, California Project by Papa Do Run Run and while the production was meant to be very clean and sterile as a way to show how digital can sound, his vocal was very very nice.   I thought, hey, for 30 days older, his new vocal still sounds very similar.   Anyways, I was hoping to have Steve Desper weight in on the autotune of disc 2 and voice his sentiment on why why why!!

19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds 50 track listing on: June 02, 2016, 09:56:56 AM
So let me get this straight...

A flat transfer of the original master was used for the 2006 40th anniversary release and also for the 2012 remaster?

And now for this 50th anniversary release they are using the 1972 twofer master? That sounds cool. However, if they are trying to be true to the original release of Pet Sounds, wouldn't using the '72 version but kinda revisionist?

Remember the 40th anniversary's original master digital copy from the 80's had the edited intros to several songs which are noticeable when compared to the NY copy. 
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: You're Still A Mystery on: December 02, 2013, 05:38:00 AM
Am I wrong, or was it confirmed (Boyd?) that the high part on Mystery is Matt+Carl?

Yes, you are correct.  It was confirmed to be Matt and Carl.  And once you know, you can easily pick Carl out.  Very cool.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: '5 Classic Albums' release on: September 25, 2013, 05:44:34 AM
Mark my words -- TWGMTR will be one of the albums. No rhyme or reason to these things, though.

No way.  It'll be the early Capitol albums....Surfin' USA, Surfer Girl, Shut Down II, Today, SDSN.  If it differs from that, they'll throw in LDC or Surfin' Safari and subtract Today or SDSN.  My guess. 
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mastering Error on MIC Disc 3 ? on: September 03, 2013, 09:35:52 AM
I own the box and disc three does indeed have two seconds of silence before each track.  Surf's Up kinda of ends early, but the fade is almost over.   The two second gap is actually irratating when ripping for portable listening.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Twofer sales figures? on: December 21, 2012, 12:22:00 PM
I'll most likely end up buying the rest of the 2012 remasters.  I've already grabbed six of them.  I wish EMI/Capitol would have put a little more love into the presentation, however.

I can agree on that.  Granted, I don't think they're the awful representation that some people make them out to be, but I do wish the printing quality/color saturation was better, I do know that some vocals suffer a little from the over bearing treble on some tracks worse than others and with a product like the Beatles mono box set I referenced, you can see first hand at the possibilities of presenting something really memorable for long time fans.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Twofer sales figures? on: December 21, 2012, 07:12:47 AM
I love the twofers.  You can tell that there was some love and dedication put into the overall production.  The packaging is excellent.  The liner notes are excellent.  The sound is excellent.  Compare the twofers to the current batch of remasters.  I hate to say it...but those seem like shameless cash-ins.  The overall production is shoddy.  The packaging is cheap and clumsy.  The liner notes are virtually non-existent.  They may have tinkered with the sound a bit...but it's hard to tell a major difference to my ears.  I bought a couple...but instead of buying the rest I'm actually thinking about buying a second set of the twofers to keep as back-ups!

Seems like your trying to talk yourself out of buying the rest.  For me, however, each time I run to the shelve before leaving for work and want a BB's LP, I choose the single new 2012 remasters over the same album on the twofer.  I'm pleased with the solid low end and the clarity, I now prefer the mono early albums vs the twofer's stereo representations (just like I prefer my Beatles mono box vs the stereo) and MOST importantly, having both, I do prefer to have just the album to listen to as the more accurate representation of what it felt like to play the vinyl record when it first came out.  SOMETIMES, I even play the 2012 remasters over the original vinyl I have when I'm listening at home.  I still have the album/vinyl feeling with the single releases that isn't there as much when playing the twofers w/ bonus tracks.  It is nice to be able to choose, though. 
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 50 Biggies deluxe bundleÖ on: November 16, 2012, 09:40:37 AM
I'd maybe pay around $100-120 for the bundle but no way is it worth $500.

Especially when for $100, we were able to get ten copies of the new album with one of them signed by all. 
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