Billy Corgan's thoughts on Rock/Pop.

http://www.stereogum.com/1783648/billy-corgan-finally-breaks-his-legendary-silence-about-kanyes-grammys-intrusion/news/

I think Kurt had an incredible level of integrity and I often say that he would know what to do with the pop miasma we’re dealing with right now. Because rock needs to be free and independent; it doesn’t need to imitate pop to survive. That’s very telling and negatively impactful to the music business as a whole. The music business worked fine when you had pop stars and you had rock stars and everyone was doing their own thing.
Corgan also said rock should be waging war on pop music, pop is turning into pornography, and sales are down because everyone wants to chase trends and no one wants to be an iconic individual.

I think of Rock being more instrument based and pop more vocal. 

After reading the article and then reading the posts on this thread, I'm beginning to think Mike isn't the villain in all of this.  What I get out of it (and a few other scenarios as well) is that Melinda is a pain in the ass and no-one wants to work with her 

Give Mike a break FFS, he hasn't done anything that bad. I believe he really cares for Brian and Brian for him. 

For sarcasm - clearly Mike has no desire to engage in a Q&A with the Gruesome Twosome lurking.

Ah..  Of course..  I need more coffee  :/

It's not that odd, Ms Honey 

Well it could be MRS Honey?    

Why do you call him Mr. Lawlor?

Kind of out of respect - he's a close friend to Brian's so... you think it's inappropriate?

That's Mr Wilson to you!

Yes, that's what I mean I suppose    I don't feel the need to call anyone Mr, Miss, Ms or Mrs on here.  Doesn't mean I don't respect them.   Anyway, enough derailment from me 

I have been fortunate enough to have spent all sorts of time at Ocean Way and several other studio's with Brian.  Sometimes I would hear something I thought could be different or he could make better , in my mind , but I have an internal governor that always says to me: " he has sold 150 million records; I have sold exactly zero...shut the f..k up"  . Works like a charm for me.

Mr. Lawlor, that internal governor's argument would be only valid if you had spent about as much time making records as Brian has - and if then you had sold zero records, the governor's argument would stand. I say it's ok to make an suggestion once in a while, even to a genius.

Why do you call him Mr. Lawlor?

Kind of out of respect - he's a close friend to Brian's so... you think it's inappropriate?

No, not at all.   I've seen it before on here.  I find it.. odd. 

Well I guess this means he won't be doing a Q and A on this forum then?   

I can hardly imagine why not. 

Why the rolled eyes?

Well I guess this means he won't be doing a Q and A on this forum then?   

I have been fortunate enough to have spent all sorts of time at Ocean Way and several other studio's with Brian.  Sometimes I would hear something I thought could be different or he could make better , in my mind , but I have an internal governor that always says to me: " he has sold 150 million records; I have sold exactly zero...shut the f..k up"  . Works like a charm for me.

Mr. Lawlor, that internal governor's argument would be only valid if you had spent about as much time making records as Brian has - and if then you had sold zero records, the governor's argument would stand. I say it's ok to make an suggestion once in a while, even to a genius.

Why do you call him Mr. Lawlor?

I like the video and I love how animated Brian is whilst singing     Al sounds great as always.

There are a lot of bad songs in the 70s and 80s but I am more annoyed by some of.the overplayed songs that have hurt the Beach Boys credibility long term:

Surfin USA
Little Deuce Coup
Be True to Your School
Babarann
and most recently, That's Why God Made the Radio.

If you wrote the same thing about Kokomo I'd be able to see your point (even though personally I like that song too) but the first three songs you mentioned are some of the greatest pop songs by anyone. And how did TWGMTR hurt their 'credibility'? Most people aren't even aware the song exists (in comparison with their bigger hits that is).

I agree.  Ask someone on the street to name a BB song and Surfin USA would be up there, along with Barbarann and LDC (not BTTYS, it's not our kinda thing here in Oz). These songs are how most people identify the BB.  Leave the songs alone in regards to credibility.  It's the actions and antics of some of the band members that have done more damage to that than the songs.

I'd like to comment as well, but first I think something should be addressed if not clarified, and the opportunity given to do so.

Since the original article was published on Examiner and since the link appeared here with follow up comments, it looks like the original text has been changed and edited at the source. What this sets up is a situation where members here read it at some point yesterday, posted reactions to what they read, and sometime in the middle of all that the original text was changed. Those who may have read after the changes were made or who will read now or in the future will see text that has been edited if not nuanced to alter some of the original passages readers here had addressed specifically, if not disagreed with outright.

Why change the original text, and was it changed after readers questioned some of the content?

I'm fairly sure the text was changed after people here questioned the content, you can see it happening through the posts.  Why?  He may have agreed with what some had posted about his review and changed it. Probably as simple as that.

Sumahama.

I agree.  Also Rock and Roll Music.  Blech.

I had acid quite a few time in my early 20's.  If my friend wasn't with me I didn't want to have it, I felt safe when he was with me and really enjoyed the effect.  Laughed pretty much the whole time.  No negative reactions at all.  I read the NY article and found it fascinating.  I have had episodes of very bad depression and would have really liked to try these kinds of drugs with a guide and therapist at hand.  I am glad that scientific studies are being done with these drugs, there has to be more help than the endless array of antideps and anxiety drugs that are pushed on us.

It's lovely, but I did a double take when Al started singing.. I thought it was Mike at first 

  Imagine that.  The board server would have melted-down and heading towards China by now.

Heya Al!     I was thinking a similar thing     

It's lovely, but I did a double take when Al started singing.. I thought it was Mike at first 

O.K., I always interpreted "I'm waiting for the Day" as showing the different sides of being a guy in a relationship, Brian's the tender, caring, loving guy, Mike (I guess it's Brian singing Like Mike) plays the jerk.  

"I came along when he broke your heart
That's when you needed someone
To help forget about him

I gave you love with a brand new start
That's what you needed the most
To set your broken heart free

I know you cried, and you felt blue
But when I could I gave strength to you
I'm waiting for the day when you can love again"

That's Brian's part.  All beautiful; caring; sensitive.

Then Brian, singing like Mike, with his braggadocio swagger comes in:

"I kissed your lips
And when your face looked sad
It made me think about him
And that you still loved him so

But you know that pretty soon
I made you feel glad
That you belonged to me
And love began to show"

Brian singing like Mike sings about how pissed off he got thinking about her old boyfriend; jealousy; then he talks about how she belongs to him.  pretty soon, "I made you feel glad" he's the one making sh*t happen in this relationship... "Love began to show" he made her love him.  Mike's the man!  

Here comes Brian again

"He hurt you then, but that's all gone
I guess I'm saying you're the only one
I'm waiting for the day when you can love again"

Brian's talking about her hurt feelings; she's the only one for him; he's patiently waiting for when she's ready to fall in love again, Brian will be right there!  Boy Brian's a nice guy, isn't he?

Then we're back to Brian singing like Mike:

"You didn't think that I could sit around and let him work
You didn't think that I could sit around and let (watch) him take you
You didn't think that I could sit around and let him go
You didn't think that I could sit back and let you go
You didn't think . . "

Mike's being an asshole again.  

So literally, every line Brian sings is sweet and tender and every line Brian sings like Mike is assholish.  

Thank you Ron!  Yes, there is definitely a mean edge to this song, of possessive entitlement.  Glad someone else can see it.  Interesting idea about the Brian/Mike singing.... 

"I'm Waiting For The Day" is such a joyous song. Maybe it's the structure, or the combination of descending bass line and soaring flute melody, or both, or everything (there's so much going on). The most uplifting of songs.

Funny you say that,  I call it the Stalky Song.  I do like it though

See it as the guy thinking to himself rather than really telling her...

In the last verse he's turned and he's pissed, and he's telling her.  The tone of his voice and the music during this verse also express this.  I don't think it sounds optimistic in the least.  He's sounds whiny and desperate..  Look what I did for you, and you didn't think I could sit around and let him take you.  That's how I see it anyway

Guess I have to disagree with you then. I rechecked the lyrics and I agree that in the end he does talk to her. But to me he doesn't sound pissed at all and in fact not only optimistic but enthusiastic because she did turn to him. I don't hear a "Look what I did for you, be thankful" at all. I figure the song rings very different bells with different gender perspectives and different experiences in life.

Yes definitely different perspectives here.  You think he sounds optimistic on the last verse?? 

I'm not Micha, but i would say definitely. But it's not just the vocals. Carol's descending bass in the instrumental break sounds almost like wedding bells!   

The music perhaps, but the lyrics??

I interpret them as he has reached his goal. That doesn't mean I'm right. But you know, actually, in my late twenties, I was in a similar position as the the guy in this song, and I didn't stalk her or feel desperate about the situation, so that's my perspective to interpret these lyrics. (I didn't wait long enough either, though...)

If a girl is in love with someone else, run don't walk.   Anyway I certainly have personal experience with being the female in this scenario and that's why I don't really like the lyrics.  I LOVE the music though      

And Aren't You Glad is a joyously happy song!  Can't sit still when it's on

"I'm Waiting For The Day" is such a joyous song. Maybe it's the structure, or the combination of descending bass line and soaring flute melody, or both, or everything (there's so much going on). The most uplifting of songs.

Funny you say that,  I call it the Stalky Song.  I do like it though

See it as the guy thinking to himself rather than really telling her...

In the last verse he's turned and he's pissed, and he's telling her.  The tone of his voice and the music during this verse also express this.  I don't think it sounds optimistic in the least.  He's sounds whiny and desperate..  Look what I did for you, and you didn't think I could sit around and let him take you.  That's how I see it anyway

Guess I have to disagree with you then. I rechecked the lyrics and I agree that in the end he does talk to her. But to me he doesn't sound pissed at all and in fact not only optimistic but enthusiastic because she did turn to him. I don't hear a "Look what I did for you, be thankful" at all. I figure the song rings very different bells with different gender perspectives and different experiences in life.

Yes definitely different perspectives here.  You think he sounds optimistic on the last verse?? 

I'm not Micha, but i would say definitely. But it's not just the vocals. Carol's descending bass in the instrumental break sounds almost like wedding bells!   

The music perhaps, but the lyrics??

I found something Weird about Dennis Wilson when he Drowned he was 39 years old and I am 39 years old.  To me that is strange and in one of his songs he Predicted his Drowning  that is my Personel Opinion and look at the song called Wouldn't Be Nice To Live Again. Let's talk about this

Let's not.

In what song did he predict his drowning??

"I'm Waiting For The Day" is such a joyous song. Maybe it's the structure, or the combination of descending bass line and soaring flute melody, or both, or everything (there's so much going on). The most uplifting of songs.

Funny you say that,  I call it the Stalky Song.  I do like it though

See it as the guy thinking to himself rather than really telling her...

In the last verse he's turned and he's pissed, and he's telling her.  The tone of his voice and the music during this verse also express this.  I don't think it sounds optimistic in the least.  He's sounds whiny and desperate..  Look what I did for you, and you didn't think I could sit around and let him take you.  That's how I see it anyway

Guess I have to disagree with you then. I rechecked the lyrics and I agree that in the end he does talk to her. But to me he doesn't sound pissed at all and in fact not only optimistic but enthusiastic because she did turn to him. I don't hear a "Look what I did for you, be thankful" at all. I figure the song rings very different bells with different gender perspectives and different experiences in life.

Yes definitely different perspectives here.  You think he sounds optimistic on the last verse?? 

Cent Dep...To give Mike [and Bruce] the benefit of the doubt...THEY represent the group known as The Beach Boys.  And they do it often.  They also represent the interests of BRI.  In order to truly represent the Beach Boys to the FANS...I think it makes a LOT of sense to not just merely mention the names of the departed stars of the group but to also feature them in a meaningful way.  The whole show can't just be album cuts.  You HAVE to include hits too.  So why not include Denny's all time biggest hit lead vocal performance?  It's NO ONE'S fault that DYWD is the top of the pole for Dennis.

That said I still don't want to see video of LIVING members...unless they're right in front of the big screen...on stage...performing with the Beach Boys.

{I put Bruce in brackets because I doubt he has much of a say or a vote on matters of this nature...so to toss him in to the blame mix is really not fair is it?}

But I can't seem to shake the tacky feeling. And what do you honestly think of my question, if (heaven forbid) a living non-M&B BB member (who vocalized major disappointment/sadness about being squeezed out of the BBs) passes away... would it then be ok for a M&B video tribute to start appearing for that member too? IMO, it defies common sense to even think of it. How would Mike introduce the video? "Here's the member who recently very, very much wanted to continue playing in the BBs... but now that he's passed away and isn't here anymore, let's pay tribute to his talents and play this video to recreate his existence." Sorry, but it just feels gross to think about. Am I off base?

And if we can agree that this is a ridiculous scenario, I don't see how it's too terribly different from currently playing video tributes to two fallen band members (in particular, members who I feel certain would have objected to how C50 ended, and found the current situation unthinkable and inappropriate).

I suppose the difference is that Carl and Dennis are gone, so showing clips of their performances is the only way to see them.  The others are still alive and kicking and performing, so you could go see them if you wished.  Not saying I agree.

"I'm Waiting For The Day" is such a joyous song. Maybe it's the structure, or the combination of descending bass line and soaring flute melody, or both, or everything (there's so much going on). The most uplifting of songs.

Funny you say that,  I call it the Stalky Song.  I do like it though

See it as the guy thinking to himself rather than really telling her...

In the last verse he's turned and he's pissed, and he's telling her.  The tone of his voice and the music during this verse also express this.  I don't think it sounds optimistic in the least.  He's sounds whiny and desperate..  Look what I did for you, and you didn't think I could sit around and let him take you.  That's how I see it anyway

It's a very Mike kind of tribute in that it is of a song from 1965, and no late 1960s, 1970's-era images of Dennis appear on the video screen. It fits in with Mike's interpretation of the band as a fun relic of the 1960s, which is probably the time--playing amateur psychologist here--that he has the most positive memories of Dennis from.

Good points here. "Forever" is probably too deep and a bit melancholic for this incarnation of the band and its target audience.

A really cool tribute to Dennis would be doing "All I Want To Do", its lead singer being still alive and touring with the band.

Hehe, complete with sound effects?     Actually that is my favourite Mike lead.  Great song.

"I'm Waiting For The Day" is such a joyous song. Maybe it's the structure, or the combination of descending bass line and soaring flute melody, or both, or everything (there's so much going on). The most uplifting of songs.

Funny you say that,  I call it the Stalky Song.  I do like it though