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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 (SETLIST/PICS/REVIEWS) on: June 02, 2012, 02:39:52 AM
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2  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 (SETLIST/PICS/REVIEWS) on: June 02, 2012, 02:20:34 AM
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3  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 (SETLIST/PICS/REVIEWS) on: June 02, 2012, 02:04:15 AM
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4  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 (SETLIST/PICS/REVIEWS) on: June 02, 2012, 01:55:18 AM
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5  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 (SETLIST/PICS/REVIEWS) on: June 02, 2012, 01:37:03 AM
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6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why No Love For Kokomo ? on: June 02, 2012, 12:42:25 AM
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7  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 on: June 02, 2012, 12:28:19 AM
did Mike sing it or Al?

Al, though Mike may have doubled him or sang parts of it.  I don't remember exactly, and I was focusing on Al.  Mike gave him nice introduction for the song, saying Al lived in Big Sur and was going to sing a song about California, then the intro to that part of the song started to play.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 on: June 02, 2012, 12:21:30 AM
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9  Smiley Smile Stuff / Concert Reviews / Re: Show 23: Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA 6/1/12 on: June 02, 2012, 12:08:31 AM
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10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Now HERE'S something to think about! on: May 29, 2012, 03:10:17 PM
"Pubic usage"?

I sure as hell have never used the word "agoraphobia" that way! (But many other words, yes.)

Are you sure "mcg" doesn't stand for "micrograms"? Stay away from the brown acid, boy, it's not specifically too good!

8^)

Do some of the people on this board not speak English as a primary language, or have a hard time interpreting meaning in the usual way?  The term "agoraphobia" was not in the public lexicon in earlier periods of history. That's what I meant and I don't understand why someone wouldn't understand what I meant.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Now HERE'S something to think about! on: May 29, 2012, 02:56:00 PM
The fact that the term nervous breakdown was used was wrong because I'm not sure there ever was such a thing.  That's an outdated layman's term (though it was used in the mid-'60s) more than a medical term.  Panic attacks and anxiety didn't come into common usage until at least the '70s.  He also sounds like he may have been agoraphobic, a person who avoided leaving the house whenever possible due to fear of being in public places or around strangers.  Building a home recording studio fits in with that.  That fits in with anxiety disorder.  I'm not sure agoraphobia came into pubic usage until the '70s or ''80s, either.  There was also much less known about depression and bipolar disorder during the '60s.  So, whatever was going on with him, the people around him may not have been sure what was going on.  
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 01:12:34 PM
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Have you even met anyone whose done LSD?  I have.  I even have a person in my immediate family who did it.  It didn't sound a positive experience to me. 

I've tripped. Have you? So what? Your mind is a mountain of propaganda.

People who do drugs are morons.

 

Apparently McG has clearly never had a cup of coffee or tea and definitely not a glass of Cola or can of Red Bull. Neither has he ever suffered from any ailment, illness or injury which would necessitate medication and has most certainly never tried the evil that is tobacco. McG also doesn't imbibe alcohol in any shape or form, I heard he's never even used one of those alcohol hand sanitizers lest some alcohol seep into his system and turn him into one of the 'morons' he so despises. He also had a friend who once walked past some kids smoking pot; three weeks later that same friend spontaneously combusted, coincidence?  

I can only conclude that McG is a Mormon. Sorry, I mean moron.

You jump on this thread just to say this?  Nice guy.  I'll remember that whenever I read your thoughtful posts.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
I'm not even sure that post is the actual Darro,  because the timeline seems completely off.  He says that he gave Brian LSD in 1964, after being friends with Brian and hanging out with him at their homes and recording studios, and that Brian had been begging him for the entire three years to get him LSD.  Was he friends with Brian going all the way back to 1961 or 1962, when Brian was presumably still hanging out with surf and car people like Gary Usher? 

BTW, he says that other people believe that GV is about Audree because Brian lied to cover up that it was about Darro's wife.  That's a bit of a difference than saying that people are of a different opinion and that's okay.  He seems a little upset that people don't know that the song is about his wife because Brian has been lying all these years to avoid being associated with Darro and his wife.  If Darro has some kind of story about why he thinks the song is about his wife, or why the other song is about him, then it would have been helpful if he had offered those stories.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 12:36:05 PM
Rockandroll, I read your previous post.  I was referring to people who keep bringing up that Asher went to school with Darro, like they're trying to give more credence to Darro being right about those songs being about him and his wife. With absolutely nothing else to go on other than that single blog post.   The comparison to Lennon and McCartney isn't that salient, either.  You really think the relationship between John and Paul, that was much closer than any of the people involved here, is somehow relevant?  I don't.  

Sorry, I was unaware of your argument that the closeness between Loren and Brian was the hinge that makes his claims about I Just Wasn't Made and Good Vibrations more or less believable. Please point me to the point in the conversation where you said that.

I'm not even sure what you're saying here.  Loren and Brian weren't that close, certainly not that much closer than the rest of the hangers-on around at that time.  If Loren wants to believe those songs were about him, what's to stop anyone else around at the time to claim the songs were about them?  I recall a story about Brian claiming Michael Vosse's wife was sending out telepathic messages to him and he thought she was a witch.  Isn't it possible that "Good Vibrations" is about Michael Vosse's wife and not Darro's?  

You're the one thinking that "in my opinion" is added to the end of everyone's sentences.  Most people don't have those qualifiers.  That's like saying that people who go around saying "I accept Jesus Christ as my savior" are silently implying "in my opinion" at the end of their sentence.  Maybe the word isn't "fact" so much as "belief," but for the believer, it is a fact.  Darro believes those songs are about him and his wife and his way of stating it without qualification makes it clear.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 12:22:39 PM
As for the claim that Darro never said those songs were about him for a fact, that he merely implied it was possible, and I'm the one who is putting words in his post just because I don't like him, here are Darro's words.  He seems to believe that those songs are about him in fact, not in possibility:

All I can say in my defense is that it is universally understood that Brian’s best work followed in the next two years: ‘Pet Sounds’, ‘Good Vibrations’ (written about my wife, Lynda), and ‘Smile’, among others. (Incidentally, ‘I Just Wasn’t Made for These Times’ was written about me.) Mike Love hated all this new, modern work, and viciously attacked Brian about it again and again; for years, Mike employed teams of lawyers to harass him. He called ‘Good Vibrations’ “avant-garde sh*t”. Ask yourself, how you would have liked to have spent years on the road with (again, in my opinion), the detestable Mike Love?

Please keep in mind that Brian, to this day, is humble, self-effacing and eager to please others. He has always abhorred confrontation of any kind. He was unable to stand up to powerful villains like his father and Mike Love – not to mention Marilyn and a greedy herd of record business executives. Running away and pretending to be mentally ill was his only solution. He was fenced-in by selfish, narrow-minded mediocrities.

Because of this, Brian could not mention my name in public, or to any of them, except in ‘regretting’ his LSD experience. Brian’s mother, Audrey, became the inspiration for ‘Good Vibrations’. Just reading the lyrics will explode that myth. Also, that ‘I Just Wasn’t Made for These Times’ was about himself. ‘Not made for these times’? ‘What goes wrong’? It makes no sense.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 12:14:35 PM
Rockandroll, I read your previous post.  I was referring to people who keep bringing up that Asher went to school with Darro, like they're trying to give more credence to Darro being right about those songs being about him and his wife. With absolutely nothing else to go on other than that single blog post.   The comparison to Lennon and McCartney isn't that salient, either.  You really think the relationship between John and Paul, that was much closer than any of the people involved here, is somehow relevant?  I don't.  Brian knew Darro for a year or two, tops.  Asher knew him a bit longer, but they weren't living together as Lennon and McCartney were at times, or collaborators in a business venture like the Beatles.   Darro is an egomaniac.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
If you condense his post on that blog down to just one claim, which is that two songs were written about him and his wife, why do a few people on this board seem to believe him about that?  Or perhaps I'm not understanding.  There's a difference between believing it's possible, and believing it's an absolute fact that Brian wrote those two songs about Mr. and Mrs. Darro.  I also find it a little strange that these claims have never been published before, in spite of the fact that Lorren has spoken to multiple authors of Beach Boys biographies.  You'd think he would have bragged to those authors that he was the subject of those songs, not just making that claim for the first time just a few days ago on an obscure blog.

My problem with Mr. Darro is that if one looks at the CV/resume attached to his post, his overall honesty is questionable.  The guy sounds like a narcissist, conflating his credits greatly.  He claims he was not only the tour manager for a number of bands, he was the highest paid tour manager in the music industry.  Really?  How would he even know what fellow tour managers were being paid and talked to them all to compare notes (for example, he knows for a fact he was higher paid than the tour managers for Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd)?  What I find even more curious is I've never found reference to him being tour manager to at least some of the bands mention, including The Who.  I'm not sure he was ever a road manager for the Beach Boys, either, but perhaps he was before he got kicked out of the band's inner circle.  He goes on about the books he published, but both were self-published, "vanity" books.  One of his books claims to condense 150,000 English words down to the only 5,000 words you'll ever need.  For all his lavish claims, it seems like no one knew where he was for years, as though he disappeared off the radar screens and was hard to find.  Funny that people didn't know what happened to a guy who now claims to be so accomplished at so many things.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 12:45:42 AM
Mcg... wow, just wow. It seems you enjoy being told what to think and making observations based on no personal experiential evidence. I will say that LSD probably isn't recommended for your average suburbanite. You have to be intellectually conditioned to enjoy it.

Pseudo intellectually conditioned is more like it.  
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 12:32:03 AM
It is true that some people have done LSD multiple times, not just once, and didn't have super-negative effects.  Cary Grant comes to mind, who supposedly had multiple "trips" under a doctor's supervision.  But he was under a doctor's supervision. When many people have taken it, they were with people also taking it (or were alone) and taking LSD where they didn't know where it came from or what dose they were taking.  There were also bad reactions in medical trials with people who were labeled as having a pre-existing condition.  But since in some cases the doctors didn't know those people had a pre-existing condition, wasn't that taking a gamble to do that experiment?  It also seems that people who had "bad" trips, even without having any lasting damage, were labeled as being somehow responsible for that fact.  That's like expecting people to have control over their dreams at night. I'd have to wonder how LSD experiments in psychiatry pass ethical and scientific muster.  I'm not sure if they do.

That story about the guy in Miami is a real story, by the way.  It wasn't made up by the Daily Mail.  Whether the guy was on LSD or some other drug or combination of drugs still has to be confirmed by his autopsy.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 29, 2012, 12:01:39 AM
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Have you even met anyone whose done LSD?  I have.  I even have a person in my immediate family who did it.  It didn't sound a positive experience to me. 

I've tripped. Have you? So what? Your mind is a mountain of propaganda.

People who do drugs are morons.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 28, 2012, 11:40:44 PM
I don't know if it's a generation gap or what, but I can't relate to some of the posters here.  Oh, sure, LSD is a great thing!  It will cure people of so many of their ills.  You say I'm "misinformed." Have you even met anyone whose done LSD?  I have.  I even have a person in my immediate family who did it.  It didn't sound a positive experience to me. 

Or saying Brian is just a spoiled brat who does things to get his way.  Uh, okay, I give up.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 28, 2012, 10:43:07 PM
It's hard to explain it to people who would accuse someone who has been drugged and been through the mill for 50 years of "faking it."  I've never had a conversation with Brian, but I've been in his presence a couple of times close enough to see his eyes and he doesn't seem that different than some of the homeless mentally ill people I've seen walking the streets of San Francisco, sorry.  He did a book signing in the early '90s in San Francisco, and he stared into space and needed someone else to turn the page to the part of the book he'd place his signature.  I guess you could accuse him of "faking" it because he didn't want to be there.  But he never seemed to blink and his gaze never wavered from whatever distant place he had it.  My sister went to the same signing half an hour after I did, and she's not a fan.  She went to get autographed copies of his book to give to me as a gift (she didn't know I already had been there) and for a Beach Boy freak friend of hers back east.  She said Brian reminded her of the people walking around on Market Street pushing shopping carts (as in homeless mentally ill people) more than a rock star.  As she put it, "The only thing scarier than seeing Brian Wilson is being Brian Wilson." She found him very disturbing and sad to be around, and like I say, it's not like she's a fan or cared that much about him.  It's just a vibe you pick up from being around someone, without their even speaking.  He improved when I saw him years later in concert, but there's something odd about his gaze.  He's also been said not to be schizophrenic, but bipolar with some symptoms of that disease, so supposedly he's not that bad.  But it's pretty bad.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 28, 2012, 10:13:16 PM

There is a lot of misinformation out there about LSD, and it has become a bogeyman in Brian's life story. Loren Schwartz/Loren Daro/Loren Daro-Schwartz, regardless of his personal merits or follies, is a casualty of that narrative.

Also, lysergic acid does not cause brain damage, seep into your spinal fluid, or any of that.


Oh, yeah, we all know LSD is quite harmless, including when one is on their LSD trip.  The person that wrote the article about it in Wikipedia says it's harmless, so it must be true.  Here's a news story of the past couple of days of what one guy having an LSD trip did to another, resulting in his own death at the hands of the police (warning, graphic content, unless you consider a person high on LSD chewing a man's face off to not be graphic content):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2151098/Naked-man-high-LSD-eats-face-victim-police-shoot-Miami.html
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 28, 2012, 06:56:35 PM
Disturbing read. But I can identify with his comments about Brian's schizoid behavior. I always thought that Brian's odd behavior was/is manufactured to a certain degree.

There's a lovely comment beneath the Daro text. Makes you grateful for the internet.

Yeah, well Daro is a c*ck himself.  As are people who believe that anyone who's gone through what Brian Wilson has for the past fifty years is faking it.  Why do you bother being a Brian Wilson fan and hating Mike Love, if you think Brian is a liar and a phony about something like that?
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Loren Daro comments on Brian & LSD (possibly...) on: May 28, 2012, 05:31:29 PM
nor does he show signs of brain disfunctinality. He's still on top of his game with no evidence of schizo or other obvious brain abnormalities. Let me know if I'm wrong.

No one of sound mind would wear their hair like that, especially in combination with that moustache.

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