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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Beach Boys references on new Panic! At The Disco track, "Crazy=Genius" on: January 15, 2016, 06:21:35 AM
This may not be everyone's cup of tea here, but one of the songs from Panic! At The Disco's new album called "Crazy=Genius" includes references to The Beach Boys members in the pre-chorus.

Listen here:

It was a cool little surprise for me when I was listening to the album. For those who don't want to click the link, the lyrics are "She said you're just like Mike Love but you want to be Brian Wilson, Brian Wilson. She said you're just like Mike Love but you'll never be Brian Wilson." The line is repeated again later,  with a slight change at the end "...She said you're just like Mike Love but you'll never be Dennis Wilson".
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My attempt at filling in the SMiLE vocal gaps on: June 01, 2015, 04:51:16 AM
Thanks for the feedback you three. I agree, a lot of my problem might have to do with the way I recorded the vocals. I'll put a little more work into blending them in with the music, though I'm not sure how much I can do as I'm most likely just limited by my equipment.

First, I would try double tracking your vocals, they sound a bit dry.  The vocal work otherwise, sounds really good.   Cheesy

I actually did double track in quite a few places, but there were some passages where double tracking didn't work very well, like I Wanna Be Around or the beginning of Song For Children. I'll see if there is anything I can do to keep them from sounding so dry.

In my opinion, this is definitely something the band could have, or maybe should have done. Do You Like Worms, Look, CIFOTM, Holidays and possibly Fire with vocal overdubs would have made very nice bonus tracks for the box set.

I even would have accepted something like a really good Beach Boys cover band that sounded like the boys in their youth to provide the missing vocals as bonus tracks.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / My attempt at filling in the SMiLE vocal gaps on: May 29, 2015, 04:11:18 AM
As the topic suggests, I attempted to fill in the missing vocals from The Beach Boys version of SMiLE by recording them myself, following the BWPS template.

However, I've been having some trouble with it and could use some feedback.

My recording set-up isn't ideal and I don't have easy access to it, so I've mainly been tinkering with it after-the-fact in the audio editing program. Frustratingly, I just can't seem to finish it to my liking. Every time I think I'm satisfied, I listen to it later and find something wrong with it. After months of this, I figured it was time for an outside opinion.

I still think it needs some work, which is why I'm asking for feedback of any kind. Let me know what you liked and what you think needs fixing. I have an idea of what areas might need attention, but I can't tell anymore if it they actually need work or if I'm going crazy.

Some songs were particularly difficult to do. For example, I can't get those damn "rock rock roll" harmonies from "On A Holiday" right to save my life (actually, that whole song was tough).

As for the SMiLE mix that I used, I just recorded vocals over my own mix that I posted here a while ago.

I recall another fellow doing this same thing around when TSS was first released, I think, but I've searched high and low and can't find it. If someone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / My (re-attempted) SMiLE Mix on: July 31, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
I attempted a SMiLE mix a couple years back with mixed results, and I've been re-editing and tweaking lately to finally create a mix to my liking.
This is yet another mix that follows the BWPS order, but I've got a couple of things here that I don't feel any other mixers have done yet.

I used as much of the latest SMiLE material as I could, so all of the stereo mixes that were included in the Made In California boxset are utilized. For my money, this mix includes all of the best sounding stereo elements that are out there. That's my opinion, of course, and everyone is entitled to their own idea of what sounds best.

I used quite a few bits from previous fanmixes, so my thanks goes out to Barnshine, seltaeb1012002, bruiteur, JMZ, Purple Chick, and anyone else I may have forgotten (I grabbed a lot from all over the place).

I also mixed a couple of tracks on my own! I'm particularly proud of my "Surf's Up" mix, as I had yet to find a mix that satisfied me (think TSS stereo mix, but properly synced and without the Carl fly-ins).

So, here we are, for the BWPS sequence enthusiasts:

MP3 (V0)

HOWEVER! I personally really enjoy the "barnshine" section in OMP/YAMS that was used in TSS, along with the longer version of Vega-Tables (also from TSS).
SO, I also created an "extended" version of the above mix that includes those mentioned above.

BWPS "Extended" Mix:

FLAC Extended edit
MP3 Extended edit (V0)

EDIT: 5/28/2015 - I revised the Barnshine section of the extended version and updated the links accordingly.
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2014 New Releases on: July 31, 2014, 04:44:22 PM
I keep hearing about that Spoon LP, I'll have to check it out today.

One of my favorite bands for years, sElf (that's the band name),  just released a new EP this past Tuesday. I've been listening to it on repeat. I think it's great and the lead single is killer. The EP is called Super Fake Nice and the lead single is "Runaway".

You can check the EP out here:

They actually just made their television debut (after about 20 years!) on Jimmy Kimmel last night. It was pretty exciting for me, having been a fan of theirs for quite some time.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things \ on: February 02, 2014, 05:39:23 PM
I'm sure they would have looked up the lyrics if he wanted them.
That's what I would have thought, but I just don't know anymore when it comes to Smile.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things \ on: February 02, 2014, 05:03:56 AM
I seem to recall people requesting video for when Brian sang a couple lines of Old Master Painter at a Smile show, and I just recently found this on YouTube:

Pretty interesting. So is it safe to assume that he intended for there to be lyrics over the Old Master Painter track and he just didn't recall them in time for the recording of the 2004 album? He doesn't seem to remember them all in the video there, either.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE (A Milkman Recontruction) for fans of Purple Chick/BWPS on: February 10, 2012, 05:42:40 PM
Listening now and I like this version of Barnyard the best, so great.
You can thank seltaeb1012002 and bruitier(spelling?) for that one. Audio wizards, those two.

Also, can't go wrong with that version of Cabinessence. That was the only sore spot of this fall's Smile Sessions release....that version of Cabinessence just didn't sound as good as it has in other forms.
Agreed. The mono mix on TSS disc 1 sounds good, but I think this is the best sounding stereo mix. I even like the noise on the track that, I think, was a result of the multiple overdubs back when they recorded it; it kind of adds to the song, for me.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / SMiLE (A Milkman Recontruction) for fans of Purple Chick/BWPS on: February 10, 2012, 03:02:53 PM
Hey all. I know you are probably sick of SMiLE mixes at this point, and for that I apologize. But I haven't seen one like this yet, so I thought I'd share it here anyway. (Scroll to the bottom for download links)

Basically, I'm a fan of the Purple Chick mix and the BWPS sequencing. Purple Chick was the first time I had heard anything SMiLE, outside of H&V and Good Vibrations, and I fell in love with it. When that happens, it's hard to adapt to a different mix. With the release of The SMiLE Sessions, I was hoping someone would create a mix closely following the Purple Chick reconstruction using the superior quality TSS material. So far, no one has, so I took it upon myself to do so (mostly because I wanted to listen to it that way.)

That's what this is. Mostly. It very closely follows the Purple Chick/BWPS sequencing, with some minor differences here and there. Among those differences, I included the Barnshine sections of OMP/YAMS and I used The Smile Sessions mix of Vega-Tables. That sh*t is too good not to include. If you aren't Purple Chick fans, I get that, and I'm sure there is some other mix for you.

Now, I'm not exactly what you would call an "audio magician" outside of some creative copy and pasting, so I relied mainly on previous fan-mixes for my sources, and for that, I thank all of you wonderful fan-mixers that have come before me.

Oh, and this is all in stereo. I think I might make a mono mix sometime in the future, so get psyched for that.

Here is a list of the sources and notes on what I did for each track:

1. Our Prayer/Gee (Purple Chick/Mok, TSS D1&D2)
Used Purple Chick's Prayer, which is Mok's, I believe, and then I grabbed Gee from TSS.

2. Heroes And Villains (Barnshine TSS Companion, TSS D2, BWPS)
Used Barnshine's mix for the most part, with some altering of my own here and there. I used the first Branshine mix, not the "fixed" one, which is basically the TSS stereo mix (boy, citing sources is becoming trickier.) I tried to fix an audio flub found on the Smile Sessions stereo mix at approx. 3:02, but I'm no audio wizard like some of you, so it isn't perfect, but it sounds better than it did. BWPS at the end, a la Purple Chick.

3. Do You Like Worms? (Roll Plymouth Rock) (Barnshine TSS Companion, TSS D1&D3)
Most is Barnshine's mix edited to match the PC/BWPS sequence. I did a new sync of the chorus because I haven't found a sync using the TSS sources that I'm completely satisfied with yet. It's more difficult to sync up than one would think, but I feel pretty good about mine.

4. Barnyard (Barnshine/seltaeb1012002)
seltaeb1012002's mix is the best I've heard so far, so that's what I used here. I think it's his earliest mix of the track using Bruitier's[?] isolation (hard to say with all of the SMiLE A.D. mixes.)

5. My Only Sunshine (Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine) (Barnshine TSS Companion)
Used Barnshine's mix here. Also, in the first instance of really straying from the Purple Chick sequence, I had to include the Barnshine section of the song, as it's too good to keep off of the album. I first heard it on TSS and it was a revelation. I think it works really well in the album and I wonder what the reasoning was for keeping it off of BWPS.

6. Cabin Essence (Purple Chick)
It's the Purple Chick mix, which is the best sounding stereo mix of the song I've heard. They used the 20/20 mix, restored the fade, and used BWPS for the final chord.

7. Wonderful (seltaeb1012002 SMiLE A.D. 2.0)
This is the best sounding stereo mix I've heard so far, even though the backing vocals seem to be a little too loud toward the end of the first verse which I, very slightly, attempted to remedy (I'm not sure if it actually worked, though.) Also, I turned the highs down a bit for the whole track because seltaeb1012002 seems to enjoy mixes that make your ears bleed. After that, I extended the end a little bit to more closely follow Purple Chick and BWPS. Again, I'm not an audio genius, but I did my best here. Overall, I think it sounds pretty good.

8. Look (Song For Childen) (Barnshine TSS Companion, JMZ, BWPS)
The Barnshine mix, edited again to match the PC/BWPS sequence. I did my best to fly-in the JMZ vocals for the first part of the song, but it doesn't sound as good as I would have hoped (because I suck.) I've grown to love those flown-in JMZ vocals at the beginning, so I had to include them somehow. The other fly-ins of JMZ's, I'm not so keen on, because it just seems like too much to me (he did a great job, though.) Some of you may be saddened to hear that I didn't include the Twelth Street Rag sections. I did this because... I don't like them very much, so shoot me.

In a bit of experimentation, I used the BWPS transition between Look and Child Is Father Of The Man. I used Melodyne to help a little bit, but my limited knowledge prevented this from sounding as good as I would have hoped. Oh well, it sounds better, to me, than the slow-down at the end of Look that Purple Chick and others have used. You be the judge, I'll live.

9. Child Is Father Of The Man (BWPS, Barnshine TSS Companion)
BWPS at the beginning, for the transition, and then Barnshine's mix, edited to match PC/BWPS.

10. Surf's Up (TSS Vinyl)
I was torn here. There are a couple of things that I *really* don't like about this vinyl mix. One: I don't like Carl's vocal. They should have used Brian's for both of the "Canvas..." lines, imo. And two: The sync is way off in some places for the first verse. Also, I happen to like it when "A children's song..." begins the tag, like PC and BWPS (although this TSS version is growing on me.) I was about to just use the PC mix, but the vinyl rip sounded too good, sonically, for me not to include it (plus, I love the added harmonies during the second "columnated ruins.." line.) If I wasn't such an audio-moron, I would have created my own mix with a better sync of Brian's demo vocal, using his "Canvas" line twice, including the "bygones" and additional harmonies, and "a children's song" would have begun the tag (though, again, the TSS tag I'm getting used to). I was hoping someone would attempt a mix like that post-TSS, but I haven't found my fantasy mix yet. Sad face. **On the plus side, this is the best vinyl rip of the stereo mix that I have heard so far. The rip that seems to be heavily circulating right now has some major distortion issues. This rip has no distortion and sounds fantastic. And if I sing loud enough when I'm listening to it, I don't hear the sync issues and Carl's line isn't as distracting.

11. I'm In Great Shape/I Wanna Be Around/Workshop (BWPS, seltaeb1012002, Purple Chick, TSS D3)
BWPS for the beginning, then an early seltaeb1012002 mix for IIGS, which goes into the Purple Chick mix right after "open country/agriculture". Seltaeb1012002's mix sounded the best, but had that high harmony at the end which I couldn't get rid of, so the transition into the Purple Chick instrumental sounds rougher than it should, but I can live with it. I used the Purple Chick mix for the instrumental portion because it sounds the best to me and it's something that I've gotten used to. I wish TSS had included the take PC used for this section, but life is unfair, so I had to make do with what I had. TSS was used for the rest.

12. Vega-Tables (TSS D3, TSS Vinyl)
In another instance of straying from the PC/BWPS path, I used the glorious vinyl rip for Vega-Tables. How could I not?

13. Holidays (On A Holiday) (Barnshine TSS Companion, Unsurpassed Masters 18)
TSS for most of it, with my own sync of the "Whispering Winds" stuff at the end. The "first rehearsal" takes of the whispering vocals are in better quality than what was used on Smiley Smile and TSS, and more closely match BWPS anyway, so I used those. Sounds nicer to me. Again, it might sound better if someone who knew what they were doing handled it, but I did my best and I like it.

14. Wind Chimes (TSS Vinyl)
Just TSS Vinyl here. Sounds great.

15. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O'Leary's Cow) (Barnshine TSS Companion)
Barnshine's mix. I'm not a big fan of the panning for the flown-in vocals, but I've yet to find a better mix for this. Everything else sounds great.

16. Love To Say Da Da (In Blue Hawaii) (Barnshine TSS Companion, BWPS/PC)
Barnshine's mix with BWPS/PC for the end.

17. Good Vibrations (Barnshine TSS Companion, MQR, Purple Chick)
Another one where I couldn't find a mix that I was one hundred percent satisfied with. PC's was great, but I didn't like that their vocals were panned. JMZ's stereo mix is one of the best I've heard and I might have used it, but then he went and facked up the second verse and beyond with weirdness. MQR's was good, but they also used a bunch of weirdness that I didn't like. Barnshine's is good, vocals are panned in the center, everything sounds nice, so I went with Barnshine's for the majority of it. The only thing I didn't like in Barnshine's was that the hum-de-das didn't include the "gotta keep those" vocals over them. So I used MQR for that bit, which had what I wanted, then back to Barnshine, and Purple Chick for the end. Phew!

So that's that. It isn't perfect, but no SMiLE mix is. I hope some people find this useful, as I spent some time on it. There were a couple of "Whatever, f**k it" moments while I was making it, so if there are giant mistakes, let me know and I *might* make a revised version in the future.

And FINALLY, here are the download links (they all include the fixed IIGS/IWBA/W track):

FLAC (Part 1)
FLAC (Part 2)
MP3 (V0)

**FIXED "I'm In Great Shape/I Wanna Be Around/Workshop" track (If you downloaded this here on or before February 14th, 2012, then you have the old version of the track and can find the fixed version with the slightly better IIGS transition here:

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