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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Dennis' encounter with Charles Manson --> Alcohol addiction? on: May 31, 2022, 09:32:25 AM
So yesterday I watched a movie about Charles Manson and his ties with the music industry in Los Angeles. The movie showed how Charles Manson and his 'family' moved into Dennis' house, and how he even showed up at Brian's home studio. Creepy, makes you think how members of the Beach Boys could have been killed, too!

Anyway, in the movie it said that Dennis was deeply troubled by having met Charles Manson, and that this encounter was what led to Dennis becoming an alcoholic.

Did Dennis' problems with alcohol appear at that time? Do you think Manson was the reason that Dennis became an alcoholic?
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why was Carl not replaced? on: May 07, 2022, 06:28:50 AM
Thanks a lot for all your comments!

I agree, nobody actually replaced Carl and became a full/core member of the Beach Boys. Nobody replaced Dennis and became a core member either. I think the only time this happened was when Bruce replaced Brian. Although Brian still contributed to the band with compositions and occasional appearances.

I think when Dennis died the loss was not so apparent as with Carl. He didn't sing. He was important in a more subtle way, having brought the surfing theme to the band. He also added credibility, having surfed himself.

For me the Beach Boys died the day Carl died. He sang the lead on some of their signature songs, and his voice was so beautiful. I think he also had a stabilizing presence, which was needed with all the arguing going on between the band members. IMHO he also had a lot of charisma on stage.

I agree with Brian when he said that with Carl they lost one of their main men. (The main men being Carl and Mike)



3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Why was Carl not replaced? on: May 05, 2022, 01:53:16 PM
So after Dennis drowned it didn't take the remaining Beach Boys long to announce that they would continue as a band, and they replaced him with various drummers.

Whenever Brian was absent he was replaced by other musicians, like Ed Carter or Jeff Foskett.

However, when Carl died he wasn't replaced. Why not?

4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Carl's relationship with Brian before his death on: May 03, 2022, 02:13:08 PM
I've recently read an article on the internet about Carl's death. In that article they suggested that Brian and Carl were not very close in the time before Carl's death, and that only Carl's wife and his children were with him when he died. It surprised me to read this.

Does anyone know if it is true that they were estranged? If so, what was the reason for that?
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion? on: April 27, 2022, 09:34:01 AM
Who is Brian Eichelberger?
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion? on: April 27, 2022, 01:45:18 AM
I think they are really good. Christian sings very well in my opinion, but, as you said, it's impossible to fill Carl's shoes. He was like one in a million.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion? on: April 08, 2022, 04:32:00 AM
Thank you all so much for your input!
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion? on: April 01, 2022, 02:48:24 AM
I saw that what now are called "The Beach Boys" (Mike and Bruce) will give a concert in a city close to where I live. Although I am not a big fan of Mike I am thinking about going to the concert because of the songs, and because I could see two original Beach Boys members.

Has anyone recently been to a "Beach Boys" concert? If so, what did you think about it? Was it worth the money, or did you think you could as well have gone to any Beach Boys cover band?

Sadly the remaining members of the Beach Boys are so estranged that they don't make music together anymore, and sadly you can't bring back Dennis and Carl, either, so Mike and Bruce or Brian and Al is all there is left.

So can you recommend watching Mike and Bruce with their band, or were you disappointed watching them?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Song: \ on: August 16, 2021, 04:41:05 AM
Here you can see Three Dog Night performing "Darlin'"     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noq1mFWYmAs

And here the Everly Brothers                                             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52gr8OQRac


I think those were not pre-recorded.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Song: \ on: August 15, 2021, 12:20:42 AM
Two moments that are way too short and to me are incredible little pieces .. Carl on Friends and Lovers with Gloria Loring and Glen Campbell doing a little bit of In Cars .

Yeah, absolutely!! Those two in full length would have been absolutely fantastic!
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Song: \ on: August 14, 2021, 01:51:05 AM
Yes, it was great that they played "Heaven" to commemorate Dennis.

I think The Everly Brothers ("Getcha Back") and Three Dog Night ("Darlin") were pretty good, too.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Song: \ on: August 13, 2021, 08:26:06 AM
Well, everybody has his/her taste.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Song: \ on: August 13, 2021, 01:08:47 AM
I freakin' love the song, too.  I can't listen to it without finding myself hours later muttering "the spirit the spirit the spirit the spirit the spirit of rock and roll"

LOL, me too!

Thank you both of you!
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Song: "The Spirit Of Rock And Roll" on: August 12, 2021, 10:33:37 AM
I am a proud owner of the Beach Boys DVD from the 25th anniversary concert at Hawaii in 1986. At the end of this concert they play the song "Spirit of Rock And Roll".

I really like this song and would like to purchase it. I looked for it on iTunes but couldn't find it. Does anybody know on what Beach Boys album that song is and where I can buy it? Thanks a lot.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and Carl's last tour on: August 04, 2021, 12:59:53 AM
When your cousin who you grew up with your entire life is battling cancer, and still wanting to perform as a Beach Boy as long as he could despite needing oxygen breaks during the shows, I DON'T think the way to show caring and concern involves sending your corporation a letter with an ultimatum saying essentially either he leaves or I leave. I'm guessing most normal, rational people wouldn't do that in similar circumstances. I'm sure the fans who saw Carl's last tour are glad Mike didn't get his way that time.

Interesting too how Mike's book makes no mention of his letter/ultimatum at all. If it were coming from a place of "tough love" or whatever Lott was calling it during damage control mode, I'd think Mike would have included it in his book.

I totally agree. All the years of playing in the same band and being cousins didn't mean much to Mike. All that counted was that at that time he didn't want Carl on stage, and he ruthlessly went about achieving that, no matter what. How Carl felt about being basically discarded didn't matter to Mike.

For me this is not about "hating Mike Love no matter what". It is about how you treat a terminally ill long time band member and cousin with dignity.

The fact that Mike love in his book didn't mention the ultimatum shows me that he is not an honest person, either.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and Carl's last tour on: August 03, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Mr Peace and Harmony would never say such things. His name is Love for crying out loud.

LOL, exactly: Mike Love not war!
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and Carl's last tour on: August 02, 2021, 12:07:29 PM
"But it is possible Mike was embarrassed with Carl's condition on stage as the '97 tour wore on, and/or perhaps he felt something not even as strong as *embarrassment*, but just a sense that this was not an appropriate stage presentation? I think that's possible."

I'm sure that this embarassment about how Carl looked on stage was the reason why Mike wanted him out, which to me is outrageous. Who does he think he is that he alone can give ultimatums about a band member? He should have discussed this with Al, Brian, and Bruce first before putting pressure on Carl in such way. As long as he could play the notes on his guitar and remember the words of the songs there should have been no discussion if he should be on stage or not.

I also think it is not very honest by Mike that he writes about this topic in his book in a funny and concerned way ("The backbone needs a chiropractor") whereas in reality he gave the band an ultimatum: if Carl doesn't leave I will leave. If Mike came to the conclusion that the touring wasn't good for Carl, ok. If he wants to tell Carl that "the backbone needs a chiropractor", ok, even funny. Mike could tell him Carl that he was concerned about his health. However, if he was really concerned about how touring would affect Carl's health he should have said: "Carl, I think touring is not good for your health." And then let Carl decide, because only Carl knew if it was too much or not. However, he shouldn't have given an ultimatum and thereby basically saying "I know touring is not good for you and so I will pressure you to leave."

If you asked the Beach Boys fans who attended these Beach Boys concerts that included Carl in 1997 the majority probably will say that they were glad that Carl was there, that they had the highest respect for this man who gave it all despite his illness. I'm sure they didn't care that he wore a hairpiece, that he sat down, and that he received oxygen. Instead they probably felt honored that they were among the last who could hear him sing "God Only Knows" in concert.




18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and Carl's last tour on: August 02, 2021, 08:04:06 AM
Whether it dates from May or August 1997 could tell a lot about its intentions...

In what way?
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and Carl's last tour on: August 02, 2021, 04:11:35 AM
@Aomdiddlywalla: As far as I know Mike Love preferred the older songs like "Fun Fun Fun" and "Surfin' USA". That's why he said to Brian: "Don't mess with the formula".

@Pretty Funky: Why do you think you will be knocked for quoting Mike Love's book?

"That backbone needs a chiropractor" LOL Thank you for this quote.


Seems like Mike Love was concerend about Carl's health and Carl agreed that he "needed a chiropractor". However, all of this shows how dedicated Carl was to the Beach Boys. Performing despite having lung cancer. So if Mike meant to say that Carl didn't NEED to perform with the Beach Boys, thereby allowing him to rest if he wanted to, then this was very nice of him.

20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Mike Love and Carl's last tour on: August 01, 2021, 11:05:04 AM
Recently I've read on the internet that Mike Love didn't want Carl Wilson play concerts with the Beach Boys while Carl was undergoing cancer treatment. I forgot where I read this and how credible this is, so delete this entry if it isn't.

However, if Mike Love indeed made such a statement then IMHO this shows what a callous, narcissistic person Mike Love really is. For me it is clear that he didn't want Carl on stage with the Beach Boys because as a gravely ill man Carl didn't fit the "Fun Fun Fun Happy Surf Mentality" anymore that Mike thought the Beach Boys should convey. Nothing wrong with that, as the Beach Boys are also about surfing and fun, but you don't tell a terminally ill band member to go home and quietly die there when it was Carl's wish to perform with the Beach Boys as long as he could, a band he had played in his whole life. 

I'm glad that he was granted the wish to play with the band as long as he could by the rest of the Beach Boys.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis' homelessness on: July 26, 2021, 03:41:03 AM
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Carl being responsible for Dennis's death (which I'm not sure the book says outright) is nonsense, but Brian's resentment toward Carl and mom Audree (at that time in Brian's life) sounds valid, in my opinion.

Why did he have resentment toward Carl and mom Audree?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis' homelessness on: July 25, 2021, 06:30:16 AM
Thank you very much for your input. From your comments it seems like he was offered help but he thought that he didn't have an alcohol problem and so denied their help.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Dennis' homelessness - Sorry, accidentally posted this twice, please delete on: July 23, 2021, 11:18:04 PM
I've read that at the end of his life Dennis was homeless, which I think is really sad. How did this happen? Did he never buy a house from his income from the Beach Boys? Why did he not rent an apartment from his Beach Boys royalties? And why did his brothers not help him, for example through renting a small apartment for him? I've also read that he was kicked out of the Beach Boys because of his alcohol addiction, which is understandable. However, why didn't Brian and Carl help him financially or help him beat his addiction, e.g. by finding a good treatment facility for him? After all Brian (cocaine) and Carl (cigarettes, which eventually killed him) should have known firsthand how difficult it can be to beat a drug addiction.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Dennis' homelessness on: July 23, 2021, 11:15:34 PM
I've read that at the end of his life Dennis was homeless, which I think is really sad. How did this happen? Did he never buy a house from his income from the Beach Boys? Why did he not rent an apartment from his Beach Boys royalties? And why did his brothers not help him, for example through renting a small apartment for him? I've also read that he was kicked out of the Beach Boys because of his alcohol addiction, which is understandable. However, why didn't Brian and Carl help him beat his addiction, e.g. by finding a good treatment facility for him? After all Brian (cocaine) and Carl (cigarettes, which eventually killed him) should have known firsthand how difficult it can be to beat a drug addiction.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys after Carl's death on: July 22, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
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I love BW88 the way it is but what a Beach Boys album this could've made - with lead vocals by Alan, Carl and Mike this could've been a huge critical success for them.

I absolutely agree!
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