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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Fleetwood Mac drops Lindsey Buckingham from their upcoming tour lineup. on: April 10, 2018, 02:07:48 PM
Considering that the last "Fleetwood Mac" album wasn't really Fleetwood Mac, is this really a big deal? They trade Stevie Nicks' absence for Lindsey Buckingham's absence.

They were very careful not to call the Buckingham McVie album a Fleetwood Mac album as that would imply that Stevie was no longer a member of which she very much was.  In fact, the full group including Stevie played the Classic East/West concerts last year between Buckingham McVie tour dates.  The fact that they’ve recruited two high profile replacements in Mike Campbell and Neil Finn says that they’re done with Lindsey for the time being.  And even for the 17 years Christine was gone from the band, they gave her keyboard parts to session players rather than replace her and avoided including her songs in the setlist, not to mention that they usually said in interviews that they were always open to her returning.  This is a very different situation.
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Fleetwood Mac drops Lindsey Buckingham from their upcoming tour lineup. on: April 09, 2018, 07:04:08 PM
And I feel like it’s appropriate to post this story on this forum as the last time I saw this much uproar over a band personnel change was with The Beach Boys and the C50 debacle and with the details just as vague and confusing.  Nobody seems to be sure whose decision it was.  Buckingham has left the band before but returned in 1997 and has acted as the band’s de facto leader ever since.  And he only just wrapped up a duo tour with Christine McVie last year, promoting an album that featured the Fleetwood Mac lineup, minus Stevie Nicks (just like old times, this may have been a Lindsey vs. Stevie thing).  I’m a Fleetwood Mac fan myself but I can’t imagine seeing them without Lindsey.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/fleetwood-mac-fires-lindsey-buckingham-w518925
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: March 17, 2018, 11:36:03 PM
Where can I hear the re-records Brian did to promote SMiLE?

Aside from the re-records on the actual Smile album, what are you referring to?
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 13, 2018, 08:50:33 PM
I wonder, would Mike's album get this much flack if it didn't include a bonus disc of BB's remakes?

Probably not as much, though there are even inferior remakes on the first disc of “Getcha Back” and “Daybreak Over the Ocean”.  And I think people might be less upset about the disc two remakes if any hint of effort was put into it.  If he had to do a disc of remakes, he should have just recorded it live.  Would have at least sounded a lot better than the slick auto-tuned garbage he put out.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson lookalike = actor Edmund Cobb (super eerie) on: February 02, 2018, 02:41:52 AM
I remember thinking this actor who played a police officer in The Dark Knight looked a lot like Brian.



His name is Keith Szarabajka.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 30 Years Ago today... on: January 24, 2018, 11:59:28 PM
I recall an interview where Mike expressed disappointment (or annoyance) with Billy Joel for turning down an invitation to join the BBs on their 25th Anniversary show. I think there's a quote on this in that old "In Their Own Words" book on the BBs. Something about how some people got too famous to do the gig with the BBs after having opened for the band in the olden days.

It was kinda true; with some notable exceptions, there was a b-list aspect to many of the guests on that 25th anniversary show.

Thanks to changing perceptions, I think they'd have had quite a guest list had they elected to do a similar 50th Anniversary Special.   

Hopefully, more than just Adam Levine who sang with them at the Grammys that year. 

The Brian Wilson tribute special from 2001 is probably the most impressive guest star lineup any of them have had.  Billy Joel, Elton John, David Crosby, Paul Simon, Aimee Mann, Carly Simon, Jimmy Webb, Wilson Phillips, Vince Gill,  the then-recently reunited Go-Go's... what a concert.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: January 23, 2018, 11:45:37 PM
I imagine that email was sent from a member of Brian’s management team and Mike just assumed or misremembers it as being from Melinda.  Could have been a an error in communication.  He does seem to hold a weird grudge against her, especially judging from his memoir.  I find it especially odd that Mike would take a fragmented sentence email at its word and nobody brought up adding more tour dates afterwards?  Did these people not talk to each other once they left the stage?
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 30 Years Ago today... on: January 20, 2018, 01:12:31 PM
All the talk about Dylan's and Elton's comments...look at Julian Lennon's reactions after Mike mentions the Mop Tops. It's the classic "What the f*ck is this?" expression... Grin

Yeah, it’s like “dude, my dad is dead...”
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 30 Years Ago today... on: January 20, 2018, 11:09:47 AM
The Beach Boys (Brian, Carl, Dennis, Al and Mike) were inducted by Elton John into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame alongside The Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Supremes, and The Drifters.  Also Mike Love gave an embarrassing speech…

10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any good Beach Boys podcasts on: January 16, 2018, 03:15:02 PM
For those who have been turned on to Fabcast, just a few days ago a new episode was posted. 3 and 1/2 hours focusing on December 8, 1980. I finally was able to finish it after several sessions. Riveting, sometimes traumatic stuff. Interviews with the likes of Jack Douglas and Fred Seaman like you've rarely if ever heard or read. Who else would go deep enough to ask Jack Douglas about asking for producer points on "Double Fantasy?"

*This* is why the episodes aren't churned out like clockwork and vacu-formed to fit every chronological expected topic.

When John Lennon was killed, I think a lot of fans, especially as the years went on, grappled with how sad or traumatized we should be. How self-absorbed would it be to be *that* sad about it? Well, this episode more than anything else I've read or heard on the topic traverses that subject in the right way.

Wow, Fred Seaman.  I’ve always wondered about that guy.  Never could be sure if he was really the close confidante he claimed to be or just a disgruntled opportunist.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 16, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
BW looks like a badass walking out of the school!

It’s encouraging to see a picture of him walking by himself.  I remember when I saw him on the Pet Sounds tour, he looked to be really struggling.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 12, 2018, 05:22:23 PM
So we pretty much have confirmed that David isn't on the Nascar CD at all, and Bruce only contributed to one song- Don't Worry Baby, playing keyboard. Do you guys think Dean Torrence is on there? Perhaps actually providing the falsetto on Little Old Lady From Pasadena. To my ears, it actually sounds more like Dean Torrence than Adrian Baker

Just found this scan of the liner notes on Discogs.  It is Dean Torrence.



Somewhere I do own a copy of the NASCAR cd, but not sure where it is. I don't even remember that photo featuring 4 members... is that a posed shot with Mike, Bruce, Dave, and Dean? If so, I wonder if it was ever floated that Dean would join the "BBs" band in this odd transitional time. Seems odd to do a photoshoot otherwise.

He did also appear with them at that “America’s Band” Super Bowl gig that Al wasn’t invited to so it’s possible.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 12, 2018, 04:08:13 PM
So we pretty much have confirmed that David isn't on the Nascar CD at all, and Bruce only contributed to one song- Don't Worry Baby, playing keyboard. Do you guys think Dean Torrence is on there? Perhaps actually providing the falsetto on Little Old Lady From Pasadena. To my ears, it actually sounds more like Dean Torrence than Adrian Baker

Just found this scan of the liner notes on Discogs.  It is Dean Torrence.

14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 08, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
True, but they made amends before Carl died.

Carl was the best man at Brian's wedding in 1995.

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 08, 2018, 04:16:10 PM
Even if it was promoted as such at the time, Still Cruisin' really isn't much of an album.  Three new songs, three recent soundtrack contributions, Wipe Out which was two years old by that point and already on a Fat Boys album, and three classic songs from the '60s.  I think the only reason it gets recognized is because Kokomo was such a big hit and it was the first time it appeared on a Beach Boys release, even though it had already been on the Cocktail soundtrack.  Otherwise it would probably be seen as just another in the endless series of Beach Boys compilations.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holland was released 45 years ago today. on: January 08, 2018, 01:57:42 PM
I would love for there to be a good sized book written about this album. Between Brian ditching the actual country of Holland sessions, to how the individual songs came about, a travelogue of what Carl and the gang did in their time off in Holland, how the new members (Blondie and Rickie) fit into the band, Van Dyke saving the album with SOS, etc.

Heck, maybe this can turn into Bill Pohlad’s Love and Mercy II Grin

I’ll be sure to play this album today.

I've been thinking about writing that book for years.


It’s a shame that Jack Rieley passed on a few years back.  He would probably be the best source for that story.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Music on: January 08, 2018, 08:01:42 AM
The Wikipedia entry is pretty informative.  Seems that Brian’s involvement was the source of some conflict due to The Beach Boys being under contract with Warner Bros.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Music
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Holland was released 45 years ago today. on: January 08, 2018, 07:13:00 AM
One of the band’s strangest yet most ambitious albums, their last studio effort with Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar, and the end of that fascinating transitional era before the Endless Summer nostalgia hit.  Beautifully produced by Carl Wilson, it’s one of my all-time favorites.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any good Beach Boys podcasts on: January 07, 2018, 04:31:21 PM
David Beard’s Good Vibrations podcast is very good.  He’s talked to Mike, Al, Brian, and various other band members and key players.  Definitely worth a listen. 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/good-vibrations-a-beach-boys-music-program/id1313106797
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 07, 2018, 12:12:48 AM
The thing is that there are so many actual good Beach Boys albums that don’t really sell much and go in and out of print after a few years that I can understand why there’s little interest by Capitol in reissuing arguably the band’s worst albums.  A digital release, maybe (I know Stars and Stripes quietly appeared on streaming services a while back after having been long out of print) but I can’t see any sort of vinyl or CD reissues of those albums anytime soon.

Though if they reissued Still Cruisin’, it should be more substantial than the poorly compiled cash grab that the 1989 release was.  Maybe it could look something like this.

The first seven songs from the original album, then...
8. Chasin' the Sky
9. East Meets West
10. The Air That I Breathe (with Julio Iglesias)
11. Rock & Roll to the Rescue
12. California Dreamin'
13. Lady Liberty
14. Happy Endings
15. Living Doll
16. Don't Worry Baby (with the Everly Brothers)
17. Problem Child
18. Crocodile Rock
19. Kokomo (Spanish Version)

That way, all of the mid 80s to early 90s Beach Boys studio releases (that weren't on the '85 album) are collected on one disc.

And Summer in Paradise might be of interest if they included the UK mixes as bonus tracks.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most cringeworthy screenshot from any BBs music video? on: January 05, 2018, 05:29:41 PM
Here’s a heartwarming moment from Rock & Roll to the Rescue.

22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you were to make a 1CD career-spanning BB best of... on: January 03, 2018, 09:57:24 PM
Skipped over some albums and some hit singles but I think a good overview.

1. Surfin’ USA
2. Shut Down
3. Surfer Girl
4. In My Room
5. Fun, Fun, Fun
6. Don’t Worry Baby
7. The Warmth of the Sun
8. I Get Around
9. All Summer Long
10. When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)
11. Please Let Me Wonder
12. Help Me, Rhonda
13. The Little Girl I Once Knew
14. Wouldn’t It Be Nice
15. God Only Knows
16. Good Vibrations
17. Heroes and Villains
18. Wild Honey
19. Darlin’
20. Time to Get Alone
21. Break Away
22. ‘Til I Die
23. Surf’s Up
24. Feel Flows
25. Sail On, Sailor
26. The Night Was So Young
27. Good Timin’
28. Angel Come Home
29. Soul Searchin’
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: GIOMH redux on: January 03, 2018, 01:17:44 AM

Soul Searchin' - co-written with Andy, recorded with the BB except Bruce on Nov. 7-8, 1995

This is only AFAIK so correction please.


Why would you say "except Bruce"? An eyewitness to the vocal sessions confirms Bruce's presence.

This is why we need that sessionography.  Wink
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Christopher Cross could have filled for Carl on: January 01, 2018, 10:31:28 AM
I remember reading that Cross was originally going to be the falsetto vocalist on Brian's first solo tour but had to back out for whatever reason so enter Jeff Foskett.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / “Do It Again” remake named one of the worst songs of the year by Stereogum on: December 30, 2017, 02:57:56 PM
Alternative music blog Stereogum listed Mike’s remake of “Do It Again” featuring John Stamos and Mark McGrath as one of the 40 worst songs of 2017.  Can’t say I disagree.  Just an awful borderline unlistenable recording.  Learn to leave well enough alone, Mike.

https://www.stereogum.com/1976914/the-40-worst-songs-of-2017/franchises/2017-in-review/
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