still one in Dublin Ireland, kept the name and logo etc but is actually an independent store.

records were gone when i went in on Sunday. guess wild honey in stereo got there before me.

The beauty of living near a Tower Rcords, can't wait to get my hands on these.

I thought Tower went out of business.

these seem to be out now. anyone heard them?

Saw a signed (by david and jon)  2nd hand copy of the lost beach boy in Dublin today (secret book and record store) - 12 euro

After a restless night of beach boys scripted stage banter induced dreams, I have decided that the first minute and a half of Ray Charles doing sail on sailor was...........OK.

That was depressing.........must wipe from memory

This is certainly better than 85. I really really like somewhere near Japan despite some of the cheesy production elements. Great vocals

plus

you get to hear "keeping it clean Al Jardine" sing "and now she's driftin' on some Chinese junk" 

very nice. good stuff.

[Al Jardine's Mysterious Masterpiece]

Brilliant!

Al Jardine's Mysterious Masterpiece
By Dada

"Susie Cincinnati" and "Loop De Loop" were supposed to be the bookends to Al Jardine's unreleased magnum opus Brush 'Em Like Crazy, which he worked on feverishly from '68-'72, but it was never to be. Principle to the album's collapse was the difficulty of recording satisfactory engine sounds using the technology of the time. By the late 60s, Jardine had become renowned, some say dreaded, for his exacting perfectionism. "Susie Cincinnati", a rollicking tune about a cab driver, was supposed have the sounds of a revving engine. And Jardine felt "Loop De Loop", a fanciful old-time good-time song about airplanes,  was not to be released until he had found just the right biplane to record. The Beach Boys thought "Loop De Loop" was a smash hit as is and couldn't understand why Jardine was delaying it. Jardine had become increasingly eccentric from years of suffering from a Napoleonic complex and it seemed there was no pleasing him.

"It's all I remember Al doing. He'd be out in the driveway for 10... 12 hours a day recording the sound of all these planes and cars," says ex-wife Mary Ann. "It was his only outlet."

Al Jardine's garage at the time was so full of acetates with different automobile and biplane sounds that his wife could not even park her Oldsmobile in it, she claims.

"Well, Al would tell us how he could hear the most amazing engine sounds in his head. I'd tell him, what good is that if you can't get the sounds on tape? Let's just write music like we used to. But he'd say no, he's moved on, these sounds are the new thing. We thought he was losing his mind, but what could we do? We needed new material and Jardine was writing the strongest material at the time," explains Beach Boys frontman Mike Love.

 
"Susie Cincinnati" and "Loop De Loop" would be widely bootlegged and are now looked at as cult classics. No one is more aware of what was lost by those songs staying unreleased then Al Jardine.

"We were really doing something special, weren't we? But recording those engine sounds... we were ahead of the times. They were supposed to go with the music, like an avant-garde sound collage. But we couldn't get it right. The notes and the sound effects had to be just right, and it just wasn't. It just wasn't," Jardine laments.

Jardine would be redeemed. "Susie Cincinnati" would be released on 15 Big Ones, the highest selling Beach Boys album of the seventies. "Loop De Loop" would be released on the compilation Endless Harmony. "Susie Cincinnati" would be released without engine sounds, which is why Jardine claims it wasn't a hit. "Loop De Loop" would have engine sounds, after Jardine found the perfect biplane.

"Ain't she a buet'?," he asked, arms wide in front of the biplane used on "Loop De Loop".

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/player_av.html?0,null,200,http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/209-rte-davefanningshow.smil

Interview with Van dyke plus someone who used to cook for Brian back in the Landy days. Interesting stuff.

That was really cool...cheers for the link

I'd guess its a bipolar thing too. Someday's he would probably come in and be really up for it and others he wouldn't give a foda.

I don't think you are getting what I'm trying to say. I'm not talking about the writing process at all. Anyway I'm sticking with my point of view so there 

Sometimes it seems like band members are saying "hey bri, what will I play here" when id imagine they get on with it themselves when the camera is not there.

Just my opinion (i'm usually wrong)

If I were in Brian's band, I would ask Brian what to play. It's his record and his music. If he said , "Whatever you think," then I'd play whatever I thought. If he had an idea, I'd go with it. He's still Brian Wilson, and he's still able to come up with better ideas than non-Brian Wilsons when he's inspired. Scott may have written the intro to MAD, but that's not where the best chords in the song are, is it?

I think if a lot of that were staged, you wouldn't have band members saying in interviews that Brian came up with this "money chords" or that they all stood around the piano while Brian worked out harmonies. I don't think they'd lie about that. I'm not saying Brian came up with everything, but I don't think the doc claimed that. People want to see Brian at work, and that's what it showed.

Its not that they are saying it but they are trying to make it look that way.

I think that Brian has probably been more excited by TLOS than he has by anything else he has done since the Paley sessions. I just think think they try exaggerate it when they really don't need to. Sometimes it seems like band members are saying "hey bri, what will I play here" when id imagine they get on with it themselves when the camera is not there.

Just my opinion (i'm usually wrong)

Billy Hinsche is the one who said (in the doc) that Brian is acting like his 24-year-old self again. I don't think anyone else made that claim. I thought he looked very excited and happy to be there, particularly compared to the BWPS footage (where he didn't look miserable, but he didn't look too enthusiastic either). It would be interesting to have film of Brian in the studio in the 60s (I know there's audio), just to see how the body language compares. I believe the whole thing about him being excited to do TLOS.

I don't think it's too easy to stage things with Brian. That would be a lot of staging.

DVD is well worth getting overall i reckon...

The doc felt a bit staged to me. Feel like I'm being conned a lot of the time.

Really liked the behind the scenes studio footage even if again a lot of it seems for the camera.

Don't know why Brian's people feel the need to keep pushing him as the "pet sound brian" ie. contantly shouting directions and running about. "oh look, brian's back and he is loving every moment".  He looks like he doesn't want to be there most of the time.

I also liked Zooey Deschanel 

I tried this with a UK proxy and I can see an artist mix but most of the songs wont play on it. Where exactly can you decide what you want to play?

I also see listings like "sweet honey by the beech boys" ?

Ok, I know some of the guys from this group post here and I don't want to offend anyone but...

I like the record a lot and got it on vinyl last year. It also came with an mp3 download which i put on my ipod.

Anyway while it sounds fine on vinyl,  i find it almost unlistenable on the ipod. It's really shrill and loud. Is this a mastering issue?

MdM said what??....oh my god.!..and then you will never believe what AGD did....and now they are saying Melinda is involved...and Ellis too...this is just all too much for me:o

This reminds me of a cd single released maybe early ninties of TITM/It's about time.

can't seem to find it now, what was the deal with that again? vaguely remember it being dutch.

I'm pretty sure thats Brian just doing a low voice - oddly not dissimilar to how he would sound a few years later.
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whats the story with the vocal at the end of sweet mountain? presume its sandler.
The one that goes "well it rained on the mountain, the mountain of love"

sounds like a voice that should have been in brian's mount vernon and fairway.

having listened to pretty much everything beach boys related at this stage even "LBWL" and "unleash the love" should i find "first love" or "country love" and give em a go? I mean really? should i?

still havent listened to "goin public"  or "many moods" either. maybe some day...

although more are on the way.

yes, do tell

cool, didnt know that, had heard about san miguel being considered for KTSA before. Would love to hear the LA version of Time for bed. Has it been booted?

really like the track of this song but the vocal/melody is all over the place, really feels like Dennis is having a less than together kind of day . Am i right in hearing he says

"my needles kinda dirty so i thought id mix myself another drink"

hmmmm wonder how this song would have fit on MIU? 

Funny you should ask...the song was actually rerecorded for the Light Album, in a session produced by Bruce & Jimmy G., and engineered by Chuck Britz, at Cherokee Studio.  Carl played on it.  Looks to have been an instrumental track only, but I'm sure if they would've done vocals for a Beach Boys version, the lyrics would've been majorily rewritten!

Johnny Carson and framed records of wild honey and love you on the walls? thats mad, i gotta check out that place

Johnny Carson here in Ireland in Captain Americas.

I kid you not people.

But when I was travelling around Europe with friends, nothing but Calfornia girls, help me rhonda, I get around and good vibrations.

What, I ask, is Captain Americas? A mental institution?

haha, no it's a bar/restaurant which on Friday night's has karaoke.

They have framed records of wild honey and love you on the walls, so I guess that's why they have johnny carson is a choice

really like the track of this song but the vocal/melody is all over the place, really feels like Dennis is having a less than together kind of day . Am i right in hearing he says

"my needles kinda dirty so i thought id mix myself another drink"

hmmmm wonder how this song would have fit on MIU?