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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969-70 Copyright Extension Release Prediction Thread on: January 12, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
I don't think it comes as a big surprise that MiC failed commercially, especially considering the expectations of it coinciding with the C50 tour. I believe they expected to replicate the success of the GV30 set from the early 90s with the release of MiC.

I can only speculate why this didn't happen, but possible contenders could be:

- Beach Boys release fatigue:
In the previous two years the Smile Sessions and the reunion album (TWGMTR) had been released, followed by two (blandly packaged) greatest hits compilations. The Smile Sessions was widely anticipated on its release, as was the reunion album. The greatest hit sets failed as well and they compare unfavourably with more successful biggest hit compilations like Sounds of Summer. The MiC set was more obscure and trailed these releases in publicity.

- The release was a complete marketing blunder:
The set has a low aestethical appeal. That bland, bright orange cover. There is no contrast of colours or vividness in the colours used. There is no message in that cover; no Sounds of Summer, no Endless Summer!  That hideous 15 Big Ones logo (aesthetically awful and cheesy) blended into the background and the wave motif didn't work at all. The presentation of this set was inferior to that of the GV30 box in every way. Overall the design of this set is cheap, tacky and does not do justice to the amazing music of the group. This group is going to be remembered as a classic musical act which defined mid-20th century music making, on par with the Beatles and Elvis. They will be remembered for centuries, like we remember the masters of the classical era. The design of this set is an affront to that legacy.

- The music was already available for those wanting to hear it:
Why would a casual listener go for an exhaustive boxed set when the biggest hits are available on itunes, spotify, youtube, etc. Music was not consumed like this back when GV30 succeeded commercially in the 90s.

- The set offered little new for buyers, considering its price:
For the casual listener, there was little incentive to get this set. For the fans the awards of getting this set were relatively small, with a scattering of new unreleased tracks amongst the conventional material we already possess. Instead of offering the really interesting pieces, they put out stuff nobody wanted to hear, like the instrumental track of "Transcendental Meditation".

As I said, these points are just my personal speculation. I believe that to some extent these points could explain why MiC didn't deliver. I hope future releases will be more in the style of the recent copyright extension releases, which have been very respectful of the group's legacy.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My '74 outtakes album on: January 07, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
A great ensemble of songs! A crying shame that it's almost 50 years later and hardly any of this material has seen official release.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keepin' the \ on: December 24, 2018, 06:12:33 AM
Nice effort, but I don't think anything could've saved KTSA. Really awful album through and through.  Roll Eyes
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 22, 2018, 03:26:17 AM
Great job Setlab!

Speaking of the Passing By demo. Did Brian record a whole new track for the demo or did he just overdub his vocals on the original and pitch shift it?

Also, is thisdemo related to the sessions in which Brian together with Stanley Shapiro and Tandyn Almer re-recorded several of the Friends songs (incl. Wake the World, Friends and Be Still)?
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 20, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
If these recordings reveal anything to me, it's the clear necessity for a complete remix of the Friends album. The mixing on several tracks, notably the title track and Little Bird is really unbalanced and muddy when compared to these released backing tracks.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 13, 2018, 11:50:16 PM
Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Lords Prayer on: December 09, 2018, 12:08:25 PM
Beautiful performance indeed, but can one really imagine that the Boys offered this one to be on their last Capitol album? Talk of scraping the barrel.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 07, 2018, 04:57:49 AM
The track "Untitled 1/25/68" is the same song as "Tune L"(albeit a different recording of it). Interesting.  Grin The big take away I keep getting from the 20/20 sessions is how much of a creative force Dennis is already, perhaps quite a bit earlier than we had imagined.

Dennis really comes across as a creative force in these sessions. His demoes dominate the track listing!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New version of “Love and Mercy” featuring young Afghan girls and women on: November 28, 2018, 04:12:02 AM
Brian is a great man
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A Day In The Life Of A Tree Oh lord lay me down on: November 24, 2018, 08:50:09 AM
Does Brian sing on this track at all?

I always imagined he was singing the three-toned "bah bah bah" and the "dada daaa da" together with Al. Does he contribute anything else?
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Caroline, No (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: November 18, 2018, 02:01:28 PM
Really beautiful rendition indeed. I hope to hear more!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Nominated for Induction into The Songwriters Hall of Fame on: November 13, 2018, 10:28:23 AM

"Unleash The Love, an acclaimed album"

"New York Times best-selling memoir Good Vibrations: My Life as a Beach Boy?"

"chart topping album"


All news to me. I suppose being a fan doesn't prevent one from living under a rock.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love/touring group Christmas album on: October 26, 2018, 09:05:53 AM
Gave it a wee listen. My thoughts are that it is very honest.
It's the kind of music a family would be able to record at home in that it has a sort of joyful amateurish edge to it. The vocals have that flavour of being auto-tuned through some in-built macbook air recording function.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: October 25, 2018, 08:04:12 AM
"Unleash The Love" ...while openly supporting a man whose flammable rhetoric have now manifested itself in attempted assassinations of his critics and opponents.

I suppose the album title always was more of a casual pun on words as opposed to any actual values of love held or professed by Mr Love.
One may be forgiven for placing deeper meaning than that which was intended.

Good luck, my American friends.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love is in the white house on: October 13, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
I spy Kid Rock, Mike Love and at least a dozen country artists whose names sadly allude me at present. Ted Nugent wasn't present so I can only live in hope that they wheel out the crème de la crème at a later occasion.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Part Two on: October 05, 2018, 08:44:25 AM
Thank you so much Mr Desper! You treat us to many wonderful things I never thought I'd hear.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definitive SSMB's Studio Album Ranking - Ranking Process on: September 11, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
1. Pet Sounds
2. Smile Sessions
3. Sunflower
4. Surf's Up
5. Holland
6. Love You
7. Smiley Smile
8. Light Album
9. Wild Honey
10. Friends
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Studio Album Ranking - Ranking Process on: August 16, 2018, 02:18:31 PM
1. Pet Sounds
2. Smile
3. Wild Honey
4. Sunflower
5. Love You
6. Summer Days
7. Surf's Up
8. Friends
9. Holland
10. Smiley Smile
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song Ranking - Ranking Process on: August 12, 2018, 03:01:00 PM
1. Surf's Up
2. Wouldn't It Be Nice
3. Angel Come Home
4. Heroes and Villains
5. Don't Worry Baby
6. God Only Knows
7. Baby Blue
8. Good Vibrations
9. Steamboat
10. Cool Cool Water
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Update: He's Due to Be Released on: July 29, 2018, 03:52:22 PM
Balls!!! Impunity?  He went to jail.  He's paid his debt.  He's settled with the victim.  "Impunity".  What fucking twaddle!!!  His reputation?  All but shot to smithereens.

Meanwhile walk on El Perfecto.  This kinda shyte could get you positioned to become the next 'Treasonous Trump' Supreme Court 'pick'.

He might have served his legal sentence but his social punishment should be for life, just as he marked his victim for life. He is a rapist and a piece of sh*t. If you disagree with this you have a total lack of empathy for his victim, pal.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Update: He's Due to Be Released on: July 13, 2018, 02:51:05 PM
He raped a woman. Throughout history men have raped and abused women with pretty much impunity. It is time that men are educated about our responsibilities. It falls entirely on men to not rape, and not to shift blame on the victim or vague excuses such as "drunk" or "drugged" or "Im a moron and can't help it".

This disgusting piece of sh*t and everyone like him must learn this.
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: New Politics Thread 2018 on: July 13, 2018, 06:59:03 AM
Shame I'm not near Turnberry, Scotland, this weekend. Would love to let your orangutan know what I feel about him and everyone who lent him their support.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Timeline of Murry's late-'60s BB studio involvement + his selling of the catalog on: July 10, 2018, 09:04:19 AM
Wasn't the selling of the catalogue for peanuts an event that was pivotal in the further deteriorating mental health of Brian Wilson. That his catalogue was sold for so little by his own father must've been a terrible period. It was a rejection of his musical value not only by the industry but by his own father, who he had looked up to during their rise to fame.

What a brutal action by a brute who failed miserably as a father and empathetic human being.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl or Brian on God Only Knows? on: June 30, 2018, 02:52:00 AM
I interpret it as being Carl
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: June 20, 2018, 01:25:30 PM
So Capitol just added this to the Boys Youtube. Notice anything different than the released one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DkXR-CbPE0  Yes it has the Vocals and parts of the Track in Stereo. Why wasn't this one the one released on CD?


f*** me is that the actual vocal multitrack we're hearing here? or at least an intact stereo vocal take???
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