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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Wayne Coyne Interview
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on: November 11, 2011, 08:57:58 AM
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Wayne Coyne hasn't even reached Vanilla Ice status yet in the minds of the public. That's reallllllllly uncool. So you are saying an artist has to be recognized by the mainstream media to be "cool"? Is that your definition of success? Also, are you suggesting your view of "cool" is the exact same as mine or anyone else's? Doing something like inventing the way pop music is recorded... that's pretty cool. But The Flaming Lips recorded a 4-CD album meant to be played simultaneously on 4 separate sound systems (each disc contained the same 8 songs, but each disc had different sound elements and/or tracks from each song, so that you could control what you hear, and the randomness in the playback would allow for decays to happen before the attack of certain sounds. It also forces the listening experience to be a social event, as you would need three other people to synchronize the other discs. They also conducted Boombox Experiments, in which each audience member was handed out a boombox of pre-recorded sounds and Wayne played the part of a conductor, signaling to audience members when to turn the volume up or down on their boombox. This was a continuation of the Parking Lot Experiments, in which they handed out 50 pre-recorded tapes and audience members were instructed to play each tape at the same time from their car... Also most recently they recorded a 6-hour song, and if one donated $100 to charity, your name would be put into the song (which was read by none other than Sean Lennon). They've also recently been releasing music contained on a USB drive, stuck in the center of a gummi fetus, so you would have to eat the gummi fetus to get to the music. They also literally just released a 24-hour song last week. How is that not reinventing how music is recorded and released?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Wayne Coyne Interview
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on: November 10, 2011, 05:59:30 AM
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The Beck thing, Beck was being a douche and not carrying his weight for their collaboration. So Wayne was honest about it. How is that? I don't know the details specifically, so not questioning you, just wondering what was said. Well, it was the case of Beck acting like a pampered rock star. The Flaming Lips showed up at the studio, ready to rehearse the material with Beck, but Beck didn't bother showing up... for days. And when he did he'd just listen, give a few suggestions, and then leave. He essentially pulled the "I'm beyond you guys, I'm a musical director who will come and go as I please" schtick, and The Flaming Lips had assumed that they would all rehearse as a band... And as I think you said (or someone else), we're talking about a band who, even to this day, hauls their own gear onto stage and sets it up themselves and is known to hang out with fans (I could tell you a pretty awesome personal experience!), but then Beck, who would be too cool for interviews, too cool to come out of his dressing room, bitches and moans about is rider, and so forth. You know what I mean? But I will say is the "feud" between Beck and The Flaming Lips that happened at the time was a hoax, a deliberate experiment to see if they could create a press-driven ruckus... So the differences between the two, I'd say, is just their work ethic, and how they handled stardom, you know? I'm sure they respect eachother and are friendly... On the Flips boards, their drummer Kliph has a Q&A thing, and I'm looking for his quote about Beck, clarifying it all but can't seem to find it. I'll post it when I do! Meh, I think people just assume Wayne is more exposed to things than he probably really is. I also think Steven is probably the real Beach Boys fan in the FLips. Wayne, if anything, is probably just a casual fan.
Ha, I will say that the sound-design and arrangement of Zaireeka/The Soft Bulletin (the orchestration and such) was entirely Steven's idea and execution. He had wanted to incorporate those music ideas into the band for a while, but couldn't as long as Ronald was still in the band. After he left, the was free to 'take reigns'...
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Wayne Coyne Interview
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on: November 09, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
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Yeah, I don't know. As I said, Wayne specifically attacked Brain's parenting. And it's weird because I know he loves the Beach Boys and were a big influence, and Wayne's comments were unlike him to go after another musician in such a way. It rubbed me the wrong way, and that's the only time of all the interviews I've read/heard, you know? Plus, being offended that your album was hailed as "this generation's Pet Sounds?" Wow, must be rough, huh?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Wayne Coyne Interview
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on: November 09, 2011, 06:47:53 PM
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Interesting. Because the specific criticism Wayne had about Brian was about his parenting... Unfortunately, I don't have the quote, I haven't read it in 10 years. It's not that one previously posted though.
I'm not trying to back Wayne up here to anything, but it's kinda unlike him... As someone who's met him a handful of times, he's actually a really REALLY nice guy. The Beck thing, Beck was being a douche and not carrying his weight for their collaboration. So Wayne was honest about it.
You also have to remember that at the time, The Soft Bulletin was compared to Pet Sounds almost daily, and that must have been exhausting... I'm sure it was a more defensive thing, to attack Brian because he was sick of his own album being compared to Pet Sounds. On that actual Reverb performance, the interviewer asked Wayne about the album being compared to Pet Sounds and Wayne is visibly annoyed, saying that it wasn't hard to get the Pet Sounds comparison, all you'd need is lush harmonies and "that vibey sound."
But the Brian-Wayne interview is out there, I've seen it ten years ago. Brian has this "wtf is this guy even talking about" look on his face the whole time, and it's not very interesting at all. I can understand why it never aired... But yeah, Wayne was a very unnecessarily biting about Brian, and it's unlike him if you know anything about Wayne or The Flaming Lips.
Just my 2 cents.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE - stereo mix by Barnshine
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on: November 07, 2011, 04:44:47 PM
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Hey, it's pretty good Barnshine! What you did with Barnyard, yeah that's the only thing your could possibly do, and it's not so bad at all. Also, you could maybe even add the animal noises from Swedish frog? Just as idea! Also, As for your suggestion of a Historical SMiLE (which you know I'm a sucker for), I'd still think many of the songs would still be crossfaded, you know?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE - stereo mix by soniclovenoize
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on: November 07, 2011, 06:17:49 AM
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Thank you guys for your kind words! Also, holy feces @ 4 days. Did you sleep at all, d00d? haha Yeah, I didn't get much at all, 6 hours each. I was pretty braindead. I'm catching up now... So can you also just do an edit in 2004 or 2011 track order, that doesn't deviate much from the 2011 edits? Just for the reason that having a good stereo version of the 2011 album is something I think people want anyway, and if you've already done most of the work, then, well ...[/quote] Yeah, I know what you're saying, and it would be an interesting challenge, but to me, this is what the sequence should be, but that's a whole 'nother debate, you know? But you are right: just replace my H&V 1&2 with the stereo mix of H&V on the boxset; add Holiday; move Surf's Up up and Good Vibrations down. The only problem is Barnyard, both he backing track and the vocal/demo are in mono on the boxset. So you could not make a stereo mix of Barnyard, without getting REALLY creative :/ Otherwise, Barnshine looks like he's doing one, just listen to his! You guys can feel free to use my edits to do just that, just credit me somewhere... And there are lots of things included which to me are just backing vocals and extra tracks and bits that would never have been prominent in a real album mix [long Workshop, chanting and noises, Heroes and Villains pt 2] I guess it's the case of working with what we have, because the alternative is to fly things in from BWPS, like Purplechick did, and to me that is heresy. ... and where is Gee? It's in H&V pt2! Also, I'm In Great Shape in stereo gives me a headache sadly. Maybe if the piano can be removed. haha I'd say the EQ on that whole piano/demo session was a bit annoying!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE - stereo mix by soniclovenoize
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on: November 06, 2011, 05:51:14 PM
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Does all of your vocal tracks here are in the Smile backing vocals montage?
Some are. I just posted in the other thread how I did it... If it wasn't in the backing vocal montage or another track, then it's the stereo mix synched up to the mono mix, with the mono mixed slightly back. It actually worked pretty well I think! sup red mage
"It leads into the assembled stereo backing tracks from the SMiLE Sessions box, but instead of using the uninventive vocals from the mono mix, excerpts from the Underwater Chant are interjected into the pauses."
Or you couldn't extract the vocal = )
Hey, sup Beck-reference! I've seen you before! I tried synching it up with the mono to do just that, but honestly, it didn't seem really worth it just for a "waub waub ooo waub". So I thought I'd go in a totally different direction, using these new bits we have, you know?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bring It On, Fanmixers.
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on: November 06, 2011, 05:45:40 PM
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Oh wow! And I was rushing to be the first to use the boxset! : I posted my reconstruction in it's own thread, but might as well mention it here too. My SMiLE is complete stereo and uses 95% all SMiLE Sessions boxset as sources... SIDE A 1. Our Prayer S ynch of new boxset version and 20/20 version (I believe Mok did this already). But mine pulls the stereo 20/20 version in the background of the mono boxset version, this making the 20/20 version the stereophonic reverb of the new one! 2. Heroes and Villains (pt 1) A recreation of the 3-minute Cantina version of H&V, using the new stereo bits from the boxset. The verses are unfortunately in mono, but as soon as it hits "In the cantina..." it's stereo, up until "Three score five...". Also, used the stereo Whistling Bridge, but faded the tape distortion from the mono mix in because, well, you gotta have that! 3. Heroes and Villains (pt 2) Recreation of the theoretical b-side, assembling the stereo bits, essentially the first 3 minutes of H&V Sections but with the full Swedish Frog. Probably the easiest to do! 4. Do You like Worms? All of the stereo backing tracks form the box, synched up with the isolated vocal parts... The "Kini waka poolah" part is the mono mix, with the isolated backing vocals synched up to create a stereo picture.5. Wonderful The new remaster of the mono mix with the isolated backing vocals synched up to create a stereo picture. That's the best that can be done... 6. Look From the boxset! Hard edit from Wonderful, with the ascending bassline fixed to play in time with the first notes of Look. Ending much like BWPS, chopping off the last 40 seconds or so and right into...7. Child is Father of the Man A synch of the stereo backing tracks from the boxset and the mono mix from the boxset, to create a stereo picture. Oh look, the last two cello/bass notes are the SAME first two cello notes of...8. Old Master Painter/You Were My Sunshine Starts overlayed with the last bass/cello note of Child, as the ending perfectly matches with the beginning of OMP! Again stereo backing track is synched with the mono mix to create a stereo picture. 9. Cabin Essence 20/20 version. 1989 remaster is better than the GV box master. SIDE B 10. Good Vibrations A new stereo mix I made... mono and stereo backing tracks synched up... uses the verses from the early version with the Asher lyrics, but then switches back to the common chorus. Also includes the full "hum dee dou" middle part. 4 minutes... 11. I'm In Great Shape/I Wanna Be Around/Workshop I rather liked the BWPS version, I feel it's one of the few things that seemed like they recreated what was originally intended in the song! Starts off with a synch of the piano/vocal demo and the last take of the stereo backing track, hard edit to IWBA/Workshop with the workshop sounds starting left but slowly moving right, so those last 3 hits can become...12. Vege-Tables ...The percussion on the right channel of Vege-Tables! Although I kinda disagree how he designed this Vege-Tables (Ryan Guidrey's mix was THE mix if you ask me!) but He still did a fine job, so this is just the stereo mix from the 2LP13. Wind Chimes Just used the stereo mix from the 2LP again. Linnett mixed it perfectly!
14. The Elements: Fire Stereo Fire intro with the channels swapped and edited into Mrs O'Leary's Cow, to that the whistles blend into the flutes (now in the right channel). After three measures, crossfade into the ending edit (to be the fourth!)15. The Elements: Water Starts off with the Unsurpassed Masters 16 Water Chant (best soundquality) and goes into a reconstruction of I Love To Say Dada utilizing the stereo backing track sessions from the boxset... But instead of using the uninspired backing vocals in the Linnett versions, I instead synched up bits and pieces of the Underwater Chant from the boxset in the little pauses... Also I took the flute and percussion flourishes from the alternate stereo tracking sessions of I Love To Say Dada. The end result I think is a much more interesting track, an entirely different beast! 16. Surf's Up The stereo mix from the 2LP. Just amazing. I've seen people complain about it, but I think Linnett did a wonderful job! There it is. You can dl mp3s or flacs of it in it's own thread.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE - stereo mix by soniclovenoize
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on: November 06, 2011, 05:11:04 PM
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Oh, for those curious about the tracklist, I forgot.... SIDE A Our Prayer Heroes and Villains (pts 1 & 2) Do You Like Worms? Wonderful Look Child is Father of the Man Old Master Painter/You Were My Sunshine Cabin Essence SIDE B Good Vibrations I'm In Great Shape/I Wanna Be Around/The Workshop Song Vege-Tables Wind Chimes The Elements Surf's Up Hey sonic. I downloaded your mix over at the Flaming Lips board. Nice work. : Who's this? That's the benefit I suppose of having the same username for any and everywhere on the net!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / SMiLE - stereo mix by soniclovenoize
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on: November 06, 2011, 04:59:53 PM
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Hey folks. I'm a newb (as you can see) but I used to post at thesmileshop boards nearly ten years ago (it was pre-BWPS). I came to share this with you, hopefully I'm not breaking any rules and this is on the right board... I was the one who made the SMiLE Authetic Mix if anyone's listened to that one... After 4 grueling days, I painstakingly made a complete stereo SMiLE reconstruction (almost) exclusively using bits and pieces of the SMiLE Sessions boxset. The soundquality is pretty great (since it's from these new sources) and I attempted to stick to a track sequence much like the premise of my Authentic construction (that is, reconstructing how SMiLE would have theoretically been in 1967, not 2004 or 20011). And it's ALL IN STEREO which is great to hear, especially on Do You Like Worms or Good Vibrations (which I used the original telepathy verse-lyrics!). So anyways, here it is... 320kps mp3s: http://www.mediafire.com/?h8l3jk2d54jmfvnFlacs: Side A: http://www.mediafire.com/?6whwgib17b2ocuwSide B: http://www.mediafire.com/?1ff6ngdu1gpzlr4*includes artwork, md5 file and track notes. Thanks for listening, hope you enjoy!
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