I think Mike (MJP) is saying that there is a difference between the owner of the Vigotone label (initials G.M.) and the source of the tapes (initials G.B.).

Lee

Hi Lee,

You know I always felt that somehow Alan Boyd and Mark Linett should have made contact with Desmond Jones if he is still alive.  After all, he was an employee of Columbia Studios and literally saved tapes (Byrds,Stones,Buddy Holly) that were being thrown away in the dumpster.  Maybe just maybe he has some of the Smile Columbia tapes that have gone missing. 

Always wondered what was to have been on the Vigitone Smile box that got stopped by the whho figure before it could be released, and whether their source tapes were returned to Capitol/BRI/yrplace by those authorities? Or are they still sealed in evidence bags in a police warehouse somewhere?

I need to track down the Vigotone mastermind and ask him - last time I checked he was living in my home town.

BicycleRider,

The initials of the supplier of most of the Smile material are G B.  Goodness knows if he is alive.  But I remember him telling me that he a had a notebook telling in detail the Smile material he had in his possession.  He via his persona Desmond Jones discussed the "Great Shape" tape years ago on Jon Hunt's Smile shop site.
It would have been very wise to have contacted this character prior to Smile box being released.

I've always had a feeling  that a legendary bootlegger who supplied material to the bootleg label Vigatone has a whole bunch of tapes that have gone missing from Brother Records.  This individual saved a lot of Byrds recordings which were thrown away at CBS Studios by rescuing it from the dumpster.  A good 25 years ago I tried to pry information about Smile from him at a East Coast record convention to little avail. 

I've always wondered what happen to him and his tapes.

Andrew,

Do you remember hearing any vocals that you have not heard since?

Hi Andrew,
Take a time capsule back to California in the mid-80's if you will.  Can you remember what Smile material you heard all those years ago?  Further, what material that you heard has never been released and has seemed to have disappeared?

Thanks.

I read that about the verse when the album came out in 88.  Might have been Rolling Stone.  The song is so much better with that verse.  If they didn't like the lyrics they should have changed the wording.  Something like this-

I was talking to Mike Love who just didn't seem to care.  The royalties we need the most is what we all fear.

Did you erase lead vocals that were done in 66/67 for the following songs:

Do you like Worms
Cabinessence
I'm in Great Shape
Look
Child is Father of the Man

I believe Warner Brothers requested that the additional verse be deleted from the released version.  Still. personally I feel they give the song additional depth and really complete the song.  I was really hoping that when the CD was reissued with the bonus tracks they would have given us the complete studio version.

The frustrating reality about unreleased material is that they're not a lot of us left that care about this stuff.  How may 20 years are dying to hear an unreleased snippet of Smile material?
One wishes that the people who really care about this stuff could still have excess to it.  God do I miss the days of spending a lazy Saturday afternoon looking for bootlegs.  It's still is difficult to describe the buzz that I felt the 1st time I heard the original Wonderful on that 2nd Smile bootleg.

That's the one.  It was played to me over the phone about 13 or 14 years ago.  I believe it came from someone that has passed away recently.

I've heard 4 1/2 minutes of the Brian Wilson/Van Dyke Parks composing tape for Sail on Sailor.  It's great to hear, but I much rather hear those Smile bits which haven't every been released.

I was told recently by someone who would know, that there is unreleased Smile material in the hands of private collectors.

Doesn't seem fair.

If you made a Beach Boys album consisting of songs co-written by Jack Reilly you have a Beach Boys album equal to Sunflower if not better.   

Long Promise Road
Feel Flows
A Day in the Life of a Tree
4th of July
Marcella
You need a mess of help to stand alone
Sail on Sailor
Steamboat
The Trader
Funky Pretty

Bonus EP- Mount Vernon and Fairway (A Fairy Tale)

Not a bad album

Andrew,
Is there any of that 5 hours of Smile material that you heard during a visit to the colonies back in the 80's still unreleased?

Yup.

I've always felt that somewhere there are some unreleased rough mixes with scratch vocals being enjoyed by a lone wolf collector.

Andrew,
Is there any of that 5 hours of Smile material that you heard during a visit to the colonies back in the 80's still unreleased?

I've always felt that if the 1st song worked on during the Was/Paley sessions would have been "Desert Drive" things would have gone much differently.  The song was and is a made to order hit single with a Mike Love lead vocal.

Yes and No.  I was wrong and went back to listen to it again.  It's track 14 on the Sea of Tunes boot.  This is indeed missing in the BB's vault.  The mixes go as follows:
A.  The Brian/Mike duet of the 1st two verses followed by a snippet of the H&V chorus.  Take is rewound into
B.  Mike singins the line "Bullets that eventually let her down" followed by the Brian/Mike duet of the 3rd verse of "At 3 score and five" followed be a snippet of the H&V chorus.  The tape is then rewound into a
C. A brief vocal only snippet of Brian/Mike singing "Of the Heroes and Villians" followed by the Hitsville comment. Leading into
D. The glorious barbershop vocals over the H&V backing track which Brian muted for the Cantina version.

Based on the Cantina mix, I believe the Barbershop vocals over the backing track would have followed immediately after the 2 verse leading into the Cantina section.  In the box, they are placed after the 3 score and five verse in the track 24 CD 4 H&V mix.

The first minute of the youtube mix up to the cantina section is an orginal Brian mix which was on the Sea of Tunes boot.

I'll also dig up my copy to see exactly where it was.

Here's a version of H&V that is beyond fantastic.  Throw in the 3rd verse, the chorus and false barnyard and you have the defintive Heroes and Villians.

Just listen to the 1st 1 1/2 that mirrors the cantina version.  Absolute perfection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgVxHVc2XZM

They didn't include for me the most fantastic Brian edit from the Smile sessions.  The edit was included in Sea of Tunes boot.  Namely, the Brian/Mike duet vocal of the 1st two verses followed by the barbershop vocals over the H&V backing track.  They did include an edit of the 3rd verse followed by the vocals/backing track. 
However, it is no where near the perfection of the unreleased piece.

Still can't believe they didn't include it.

Just my opinion, but I feel it will be the reunited Rolling Stones with Bill Wyman and Mick Taylor in tow to celebrate the Stones 50th anniversary.

There is a rumour going around that a private collector has three copies of the uncut 1954 A Star Is Born.  Why wouldn't he give it to Warner Brothers?  It may be as simple of wanting something nobody else has.
Truth be told I use to love the buzz I got when I went into an underground record store and bought a Smile or Get Back.  That since of being part of private club when it came to records.  You would play Wonderful or False Barnyard to a novice and look at their face in disbelief.  That world is gone with the internet.

Still, I somehow hope that we haven't heard the last of Smile unreleased material.

The reality is we still haven't gotten the definitive Heroes and Villians in my opinion.

To do so, we need to use the original, the cantina mix, the brian amd mike duet version and finally the Smile Sessions version.

It's there and its something to behold.

I think there is a lot more stuff missing then we have been led to believe.  I remember the 1st time I heard the "Cantina" mix of H&V at the San Diego BB's convention.  I remember thinking this couldn't have been the final mix.  It had to have parts missing.  Good Lord it was the follow-up to GV.   The first 90 seconds were perfection (even then the Brian/Mike duet followed by barbershop with the backing track is even better) but the rest was disjointed.  Where is the version which truly could have been the follow-up to their biggest single

No less than an authority as a friend Mr. Doe heard a version of With Me Tonight back in the 80's which has still never been released.  Right smack in the middle of H&V session tapes.

The box doesn't have in it what I consider the most wonderous music/edit for the entire Smile sessions.  Namely the edit which has the Brian/Mike duet of the first two verses of H&V followed by the barbershop vocals with the H&V backing track.  Magical.  Pure bliss.  Instead the box has the H&V 3rd verse followed by barbershop vocals with the backing track.  Terrific but not as good as the other edit.

Also, I would have had the Brian/Mike duet of H&V's 1st two verse followed by the barbershop/backing track immediately into In the Cantina section.

97 seconds of complete perfection.