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251  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Box Set delays in Australia? on: November 11, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
I rang 78 Records in Perth on Thursday and the guy told me the record company had told him (after much badgering on his part) that the box sets had *finally* arrived in Australia that day, and were being sent out forthwith. Mine will apparently be in store on Monday or Tuesday.

100 copies for the entire country? Jesus.
252  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: W i l d H o n e y on: November 10, 2011, 07:15:39 PM
There's a Top 30 Beach Boys' songs thread in action at the moment, and I'm making the effort to keep score on an aggregated best-of list. At the moment the only song from Wild Honey is Darlin', which is hanging on at #28. My own favourite, Let The Wind Blow, is currently just outside the Top 30. Perhaps this thread's Wild Honey enthusiasts might like to drop by and give the album some love.,9812.50.html
253  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top 30 Beach Boys' songs on: November 09, 2011, 07:50:49 PM
An updated aggregate top 30. God Only Knows looks unassailable at number one.

1. God Only Knows (300/13)
2. Don't Worry Baby (266/13)
3. Wouldn't It Be Nice (242/11)
4. Surf's Up (240/13)
5. Til I Die (205/11)
6. Please Let Me Wonder (173/9)
7. All I Wanna Do (165/11)
8. Surfer Girl (165/9)
9. Warmth of the Sun (164/9)
10. This Whole World (163/9)
11. Good Vibrations (159/9)
12. She Knows Me Too Well (153/9)
13. Time To Get Alone (143/8)
14. Wonderful (139/7)
15. Forever (138/9)
16. Heroes and Villains (130/8)
17. Kiss Me Baby (128/9)
18. Break Away (122/8)
19. Cabinessence (120/8)
20. Caroline No (120/7)
21. I Get Around (120/6)
22. I Just Wasn't Made for These Times (111/7)
23. In My Room (105/5)
24. Don't Talk (101/5)
25. Do It Again (99/7)
26. Let Him Run Wild (98/7)
27. Sloop John B (97/5)
28. The Night Was So Young (89/5)
29. California Girls (80/7)
30. Darlin' (74/5)

254  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top 30 Beach Boys' songs on: November 08, 2011, 11:21:34 PM
Interesting that there are only three pre-Pet Sounds songs which aren't ballads - and none are placed higher than 19. I think Brianophiles are a bit too shy about showing some love for Surfin' USA, Fun Fun Fun, etc. I mean, I love Break Away, but is it really better than I Get Around?
255  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top 30 Beach Boys' songs on: November 08, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
What the hell - I'll do it. So far we've got 13 (serious) lists. Where they've been listed in order, I've allocated 30 points for a first place down to 1 point for a 30th place. Where there's no order, I've given everything 15. If there's a tie, I've favoured songs that have been included in more lists, where possible. The numbers in parentheses are the total points followed by the number of lists they're included in. I'll do another update later if I get enough material to work with.

1. God Only Knows (233/10)
2. Don't Worry Baby (210/10)
3. Wouldn't It Be Nice (202/9)
4. Surf's Up (183/10)
5. Til I Die (161/8)
6. Warmth of the Sun (149/8)
=7. Please Let Me Wonder (133/7)
=7. This Whole World (133/7)
9. Surfer Girl (130/7)
10. Good Vibrations (125/7)
11. Time to Get Alone (118/7)
12. Forever (113/8)
13. Break Away (107/7)
14. Cabinessence (105/7)
15. Caroline No (105/6)
16. In My Room (105/5)
17. Kiss Me Baby (100/7)
18. All I Wanna Do (98/8)
19. Let Him Run Wild (98/7)
=20. I Get Around (96/5)
=20. Wonderful (96/5)
22. She Knows Me Too Well (95/6)
23. Heroes and Villains (92/6)
24. Sloop John B (82/4)
25. I Just Wasn't Made for These Times (77/5)
26. Do It Again (69/5)
27. The Night Was So Young (67/4)
28. Cool Cool Water (59/3)
29. California Girls (53/5)
30. Let The Wind Blow (53/4)
256  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top 30 Beach Boys' songs on: November 08, 2011, 10:11:02 PM
Doubt I can top Syd Barrett's list on the previous page, but here goes. I feel a bit guilty that in paring it back to 30 the stuff I chopped tended to be "quirky" - With Me Tonight, Whistle In, Solar System, I'm Beggin' You Please. So is anyone going to take the effort to tally up everyone's results for a grand total?

1. 'Til I Die
2. This Whole World
3. Cool Cool Water
4. I Get Around
5. Can't Wait Too Long
6. The Warmth of the Sun
7. Let The Wind Blow
8. Wouldn't It Be Nice
9. God Only Knows
10. In My Room
11. Don't Worry Baby
12. Please Let Me Wonder
13. Good Vibrations
14. Celebrate The News
15. Fun Fun Fun
16. Dance Dance Dance
17. All Summer Long
18. Kiss Me Baby
19. California Girls
20. Caroline No
21. Cabinessence
22. Be With Me
23. Catch a Wave
24. Our Prayer
25. Little Bird
26. Do It Again
27. Surfer Girl
28. Friends
29. I Just Wasn't Made for These Times
30. Mrs O'Leary's Cow
257  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: Different LP slicks used in trade magazines on: October 22, 2011, 10:42:33 PM
I would suggest they tweaked the covers to make them appear more striking in the context of a small picture in a large ad. Most of those covers had a lot of small writing on them and wouldn't have come across well when shrunk down to the size in which they appeared in the ads. I am quite sure they were never commercially available in this way.
258  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: October 21, 2011, 07:36:07 AM

"Seppo" = "Septic tank" = "Yank". Rhyming slang, you see.
259  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Surf's Up on: October 17, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
I really like Lookin' at Tomorrow, and it's always surprised me to see it held in such low regard. My only complaint is that I've always felt it should have a trombone or trumpet solo rather than a scat vocal in the middle-eight.
260  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What's your favorite Beach Boys song live? on: October 14, 2011, 12:11:19 AM
Apart from the one recorded in my hometown of Perth, Australia during the legendary 1978 tour, I have never heard a bad live version of Darlin'.
261  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Track Talk #1: Add Some Music on: October 12, 2011, 08:34:25 AM
I remember being nonplussed the first time I heard it. It grew on me, but only so much - perhaps coming after This Whole World on Sunflower makes it suffer by comparison. The Guardian article hits the nail on the head: "What makes the song, of course, is the singing: for all the facility of the instrumental arrangement, there's barely a song at the heart of this it's a custom-built vehicle for the voices." Which is probably why I prefer the a capella version.
262  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is there any possible hope for a 'Love You' boxset? on: October 10, 2011, 09:30:44 PM
More realistically - surely they could do very good business reissuing each Warners album with a bonus CD of outtakes, alternate takes, live versions and such.
263  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Collecting the Beach Boys on vinyl on: October 09, 2011, 08:15:18 AM
Impossible.  Grin

Yeah, okay, you know what I mean ...
264  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Collecting the Beach Boys on vinyl on: October 08, 2011, 10:10:01 PM
I recently undertook to collect a complete set of original mono US pressings of all the Beach Boys' 1960s Capitol albums. While these are very fun to own, I was soon alerted to the fact (here and at Steve Hoffman's) that these are inferior to later reissues in terms of sound quality. So I've begun collecting a second set - the early 1980s green label reissues which seem to be considered the best available, and which indeed sound terrific on the evidence available to me so far. Unfortunately, the only albums in this series (which have catalogue numbers from 16012 to 16159) that are in mono are Surfin' Safari, Party!, Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile and Wild Honey, as well as the Be True To Your School album which the thieves at Capitol compiled from offcuts after they truncated a number of the other albums (and which sounds superb, even if it doesn't make sense as an album). As an aside, perhaps someone could suggest why they would have reissued "Dance Dance Dance" (Today!) and "California Girls" (Summer Days) in duophonic, when the other albums for which there weren't proper stereo mixes were reissued in mono.

The upshot is that I'll be left with quite a few albums for which I won't have an entirely satisfactory copy. i.e. everything from Surfin' USA through to Summer Days. I see current 180g vinyl pressings of Today! and Summer Days are available on the From The Capitol Vaults series, but I am unclear as to whether these are mono or duophonic. Clearly the cover of Summer Days replicates the 1960s duophonic issue, but a guy on Amazon who sounds like he knows what he's talking about swears the record itself is mono. Today!, I gather, is both a mono record and a replication of the mono issue of the sleeve, complete with T-2269 catalogue number. Can anyone confirm for me if this is all correct, and that it would indeed be worth my while to buy both? That would still leave me without good mono copies of everything from Surfin' USA through to Concert. Do such things exist? Were these albums ever reissued in mono after the 1960s, in any format?
265  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Love You on: October 04, 2011, 10:48:02 PM
Wikipedia is not a source.

I am not disputing that you're correct, merely pointing out that there are other people who think they hear drum machines on the record.
266  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Love You on: October 01, 2011, 10:45:09 AM
There isn't a single drum machine on this record.

I do beg your pardon - though I'm evidently not alone in the misapprenshion.
267  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Love You on: September 24, 2011, 02:00:22 AM
OK. Honestly. From my heart, really.
I'd like to have someone here who feels up to the task, write up a review (while listening to this album, as I did) and support each track and give it's weaknesses & strengths. Someone who really thinks this release is the work of art that 95% of BB's fans believe it really is. Someone who has a personal attachment to it. I don't see it and I want some rationale. Who's game?

As a Brian Wilson obsessive of 25 years who's never posted here before, allow me to take the plunge.

Let Us Go On This Way. Rough-as-guts mid-70s drum machine, big blurting bass synths, fist-pumping c*ck-rocker intro from ... Carl Wilson? I'm sure we all remember our inaugural Beach Boys Love You "WTF?" moment kicking in before the second bar of the first song was through. Tellingly, closer examination reveals it to be a minor work of genius: not because it's one of Brian's most subtle works of song craft, but because it's carried aloft by one grand moment of inspiration - the sublimely expansive chorus, and the way it plays off against the monolithic crudity of the verse and the middle-eight. Five stars.

Roller Skating Child. An excellent case study of what makes this album so bizarre: whereas Brian believed himself to be communicating with a young audience that shared his glee-club and locker-room vision of adolescence, he was actually displaying his alienation from contemporary reality and all the emotional disturbance that got him there. As Robert Christgau put it in his marvellous review: "As for the words, well, they're often pretty silly, but even (especially) when they're designed to appeal to whatever Brian imagines to be the rock audience they reveal a lot more about the artist than most lyrics do." Similar things could of course be said of the BBs' teen fantasies of the 1960s, which nobody begrudges for being unreflective of Brian's reality at the time. If only a wiser head had been at hand to edit the lyrics (wise heads being in regrettably short supply throughout the Brian Wilson saga), and the production given a bit more spit and polish, this could have been the hit Brian's ego so desperately needed. Its failure to be released as a single can only have been an act of sabotage on Warners' part. Five stars.

Mona. A disappointing comedown after such a marvellous start. For all the money they were paying him, you'd think Eugene Landy might have got it together to order Brian to finish the song before he was allowed to record it (and rewrite the Phil Spector verse while he was at it). And even in the best of circumstances, Dennis wouldn't have suited this material at all. Two stars.

Johnny Carson. The apotheosis of the album's inspired silliness for many, but I've always found its melodic charms rather too slight. Bonus star though for "It's nice to have you on the show tonight/I seen your act in Vegas - outasight!" Three stars.

Good Time. While it's a shame that an album as singular as this should be blighted by a song which sits so clearly outside its schema, it's interesting how it *almost* fits in. I didn't spot anything amiss the first time I heard the album - indeed, I found it one of the few things that immediately appealed. It's a reminder that Brian's artistic frame of mind had its roots long before the Landy era, but had been stymied (for better or worse) by Jack Rieley and his determination to burden the band with a "heavy" image in keeping with the mood of the times. Three stars.

Honkin' Down The Highway. Slight, but blessed with a groove that was nicely exploited on Radio Sweethearts' country-rock cover on the Caroline Now! tribute album. Cursed, however, with the line "take it one little inch at a time now/'til we're feeling fine now". Three stars.

Ding Dang. I still await an explanation as to how it could have taken two people to have written this - and how one of those two people could have been Roger McGuinn. Three stars.

Solar System. An unpolished gem, and the Beach Boys track I most commonly turn to when drunk. I never tire of the way the melody escalates a step with each line of the verse before opening out to infinity on the chorus, but the song's charm runs deeper than that - it's in the way the lyrics and the melody fuse into a perfect expression of Brian's childlike guilelessness. Five stars.

The Night Was So Young. The guitar figure on the verses is an annoyance, which is a shame as the song otherwise earns its reputation as ballad to match his mid-1960s work. To throw a bone to the album's critics, I have to acknowledge the harmonic complexity of the chorus calls attention to the disappointing lack of same elsewhere on the album. The raggedness of its execution also reminds us that no one in the band was at the peak of their vocal form at the time - Brian would sound smoother a year later on the otherwise wretched MIU Album, Dennis was well into his decline, Carl was hitting the bottle and it showed, Mike's nasality had lost its charm some time earlier, Bruce wasn't at hand to fill out the sound, and Al hardly matters (I can only clearly discern him on Honkin' Down The Highway anyway). Four stars.

I'll Bet His Nice. Each of this album's marvels presents the potential admirer with a hurdle to clear, and in this case it's the asinine opening couplet (reprised at the end). But the patience required to absorb the song in its entirety rewards the listener with one of the glories of Brian's entire canon: a sublime middle-eight beautifully rendered by Carl. Four stars.

Let's Put Our Hearts Together. Melodically sure-footed, but sappy: its open-hearted musical context gives its painful lyrical clunkers no place to hide. Three stars.

I Wanna Pick You Up. I'm charmed by this song's naivete, and it's always nice to hear accordions on a Beach Boys record - particularly on an album as starved for instrumental colour as this one. However, I generally don't care for Dennis's vocal performances on Love You, probably because we have Pacific Ocean Blue to place his voice of the time in a very different and entirely more appropriate context. Nor should talk of pre-adolescent butt-patting have made it past the gatekeepers. Three stars.

Airplane. A delight, mostly because it shows Brian still able to pull off a quite complex song structure. The "airplane, airplane, carry me back to her side" bit is one of the album's high points, and the coda is just stupid enough to work. Four stars.

Love is a Woman. Not difficult to see why this is the hardest track for the album's admirers to make apologies for: it's graceless, and not in a cute way. God knows what anyone was thinking when they allowed Brian to perform it on Saturday Night Live. For all that, I do have a sneaking fondness for the "one two three, she's falling in love with me" bit, which is one of a number of occasions on the album where an unexpectedly inspired mid-section places a flattering complexion on the material that surrounds it. Two stars.
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