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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 03, 2021, 06:14:11 AM
Interestingly, this alternate ending is one of the only BB songs I can think of that has a true ending and doesn't fade out.

I can think of loads. The discussion got me thinking about fadeouts though, and some googling turned up the following article which happens to mention Caroline No.

https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/the-fade-out-in-pop-music-why-dont-modern-pop-songs-end-by-slowly-reducing-in-volume.html
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 31, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
Thanks to Joshilyn and SM for their insights. Bruce, eh? Explains why it comes off that little bit too gooey.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 29, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
The Surf's Up a cappella would seem to be straightforwardly the vocal track from the 1971 version. This Whole World has a different vocal take for both Carl and Brian, though up to the ending the only obvious difference is that Carl sings "full of different people" rather than "lots of different people" and "ooh, here comes another day" rather than "now hear comes another day". At the very end though, rather than the a cappella tag, there's a quite different vocal arrangement designed to bring the song to a climax along with the end of the instrumental track. It's obviously great to hear, and the whole track is beautifully mixed, but the changes that were made on the released version were for the better.
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 29, 2021, 09:38:56 AM
The two tracks are "This Whole World - Alternate Ending" and "Surf's Up - A Cappella". They are now available on Spotify here in Australia, it being after midnight here and us being quite near the International Date Line. The rest of the world should get them as their clocks tick over.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Demos posted to Brian Wilson's website on: July 21, 2021, 06:39:37 AM
I particularly enjoyed Sunshine. Clearly an album of Imagination demos would have been miles better than what was actually released.

That isn't a demo, it's an early mix of the track that's actually on the album.

Thanks - I guess I mean an album of rough mixes then, without having been buffed and polished into smooth and easy nothingness.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Demos posted to Brian Wilson's website on: July 21, 2021, 02:17:12 AM
I particularly enjoyed Sunshine. Clearly an album of Imagination demos would have been miles better than what was actually released.
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 20, 2021, 02:12:33 AM
Four star review by Andrew Male in the latest Mojo. Most interesting bit for me: "Won't You Tell Me is an engulfing romantic melodrama akin to Please Let Me Wonder ... it appears here in two versions: as a lavish, chiming Brian and Carl duet; and as a solo Brian demo, with control room interjections from his father that only enhance the pathos". He also more keen on the alternative lyrics to Til I Die than Peter Ames Carlin.
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys re-unite for “Add Some Music to Your Day” re-recording. on: March 04, 2021, 08:47:57 PM
Wasn't expecting to read about this in AMP Capital Market Update. Nonetheless:

https://www.ampcapital.com/au/en/insights-hub/articles/2021/march/market-update-050321
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Problem Child on CD on: February 07, 2021, 02:07:38 AM
There's being a Beach Boys fan, and then there's being an "I MUST have Problem Child on CD" Beach Boys fan.
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: January 22, 2021, 01:15:55 AM
What is it with Brian singing the opening lines of Al Jardine songs? I count California Saga - California, Lookin' Down The Coast and arguably Take a Load Off Your Feet.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: January 20, 2021, 04:12:34 AM
Someone or other said Brian was taking vocal lessons just prior to MIU, and it seems to have paid off. But man, what a drop after that. His lead vocal outtakes in '78 and '79 for LA and KTSA (some not yet heard) are among the worst ever.

I'm intrigued by this - what songs are we talking here? Stuff that ended up being released with others on lead?
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 04, 2021, 10:28:05 AM
I note that that The Beach Boys' Christmas Album has popped up at #151 on Billboard this week. Is this a regular yuletide occurrence? It's apparently notched 107 weeks on the chart over the years.

It has as of last week spent five weeks on the billboard top 200 chart. It was on the Christmas chart for years back in the ‘60’s. The number 107 is it’s peak chart position. In January 2019 it landed on the chart at 107 for one week. As of last week it spent four more weeks on the top 200 chart. The pk in the listings is for peak position. So far it has been on the top 200 chart for five weeks total.  

Thanks Steve -- I'd eventually worked most of that out. I also mentioned this on the Feel Flows thread when the nature of today's charts was being discussed, and surmised its chart appearances were down to Little Saint Nick appearing on Christmas playlists, probably more so in supermarkets and such like than on the radio.
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: January 01, 2021, 10:01:22 AM
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39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: January 01, 2021, 09:59:42 AM
Look at the "standard" Top 200 album list this week.

Indeed - The Beach Boys Christmas Album has spent the last four weeks bouncing around the lower end of the chart, being at #115 this week. I guess what you're saying here is that this is mostly down to Little Saint Nick being on rotation in supermarkets and such like.

As for McCartney III -- as someone who has only ever bothered to listen to one other McCartney album since Tug of War (that being Flaming Pie, which I only ever thought had one good song), I can say I'm very impressed with it.
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: December 27, 2020, 10:20:16 AM
With due respect to Gerry, who just said the opposite: the Awake demo is the earliest Brian vocal recording I know of that would probably cause the casual listener to grimace. Granted it's a demo or guide vocal and he's not putting much effort in, but he sounds like he's struggling for breath, and it's this struggle that's the first sign of his general deterioration. The actual loss of his upper range that is so apparent on 15 Big Ones (though he recovered it for a while, somewhat, circa MIU) came later. I can hear that same struggle for breath, in greater degree, on the Passing By demo (1974?) and the 1975 version of In The Back of My Mind.
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 22, 2020, 10:21:27 AM
Geez, I write that I think Goin On should have done better than 80 on the charts and I'm getting attacked. This board is a cancer. Bye.

What a child.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: December 22, 2020, 10:19:02 AM
I note that that The Beach Boys' Christmas Album has popped up at #151 on Billboard this week. Is this a regular yuletide occurrence? It's apparently notched 107 weeks on the chart over the years.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 22, 2020, 11:59:13 AM
I see it's already got two five-star ratings at Allmusic, so obviously Howie is right and this sh*t is the bomb.
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 28, 2020, 09:22:51 AM
Thanks and congratulations, Howie.
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 06, 2020, 09:58:57 AM
The response(s) were basically of the message that they are not the one with the answers, and that there are "more important" things going on, encouraging me to "put this in perspective" with the global pandemic and all.

I presume then that the latest issue of ESQ is wall-to-wall COVID-19 coverage? Because the cover suggests otherwise.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 05, 2020, 08:03:04 AM
Further to Junkstar's comment, I reiterate the following from an interview in Goldmine in 1992 which I referred to way up thread (like, back in March):


Quote
Capitol's treatment of the Beach Boys' catalog on CD has been fabulous. What was your impression of the slew of two-fer Beach Boys CDs?

I don't even know. I don't know.

Have you seen them?

No. I don't know. You find that amusing?

Yeah, it's hard to believe that being a Beach Boy you haven't seen something like that.

It is hard to believe. I find it hard to believe too.

Why is that?

Why is that? Because I'm a Pisces, is that a good answer [uproarious laughter]? That's as good as I can come up with. There is nothing that we can do to stop them from merchandising our records the way they want to merchandise them so we're at their mercy. So if they've done something that in the opinion of the caring public is well done, then I'm glad to hear it.

http://troun.tripod.com/mikelove.html

I gather that's not quite the case in relation to Feel Flows, but it's equally clear that the fate of archival releases is not what keeps Mike awake at night. So if it's indeed Mike who's the sticking point, it was probably some decision he made in a high-handed moment of pique and promptly forgot about. Certainly he doesn't feel any affection for the "core of people absorbed in knowing everything about everything", because he thinks of us as Brian Wilson cultists who don't give him his due.
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Smile, Red Letter Media and the new Bill & Ted film on: August 31, 2020, 05:06:17 AM
Red Letter Media are an ensemble of online movie critics who gained YouTube fame with their "Mr Plinkett" deconstructions of the Star Wars prequels. Here they review the new Bill and Ted movie, which I haven't seen, but which relates the now middle-aged characters in their still unrealised quest to create the perfect piece of music that will align the planets and bring peace to the world, as foretold for them in the earlier movies from the 1990s. It appears the film's representation of this draws upon the mythology of Brian Wilson and Smile (a bit like Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story), at least to the extent that Keanu Reeves is shown playing a theremin. Certainly the implication is noted by one of the two reviewers, who conveys his understanding of Brian's career in 1966-67 to his sidekick, who is not familiar with the subject. Sadly the review does not feature the most talented of the RLM-ers, Mike Stoklasa.

https://youtu.be/3tx33tgXT3M?t=912
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Whats the deal with the Hondells? on: August 27, 2020, 08:08:17 AM
I'd never actually listened to The Hondells' version of Little Honda until just now. It -- how shall I put this? -- sucks.
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 11, 2020, 11:20:23 AM
I would hope that the fact that this box that will bring so much joy to people during an utterly dreadful and largely joyless time in human history would be enough to tip the scales in our favor.

I suspect the man who, let's face it, is almost certainly to blame for this believes he's already done his bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8OVy33V_OI
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 07, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
I was really excited by Howie's comment when he posted it. It took Stebbins' comment to alert me to the subtext of it, which I can now see very clearly.
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