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176  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: January 27, 2013, 10:34:42 AM
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Was Carl Wilson afraid of goats

Has anyone gotten to the bottom of this yet?
177  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Wherein Sam listens to DSOTM for the 1ST time EVER and we talk about THE FLOYD on: January 25, 2013, 02:29:46 AM
There's a disturbing attitude to women evident throughout The Wall, actually. Pillars of Waters' alienation include a cheating wife, a bubble-headed groupie and "Mother". When a male villain emerges in the shape of a sadistic school teacher, we learn that he and his type are victims in turn - of "their fat and psychopathic wives", who "thrash them within inches of their lives" (ever so slightly at odds with the reality of most domestic violence there). In the midst of all this there appears the flower animation Dr Voldelabra refers to. The whole thing makes my flesh crawl.
178  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 25, 2013, 01:51:53 AM
In fairness, the Pamplin pic does illustrate a narrative point (i.e. that Marilyn not unreasonably wanted to hit that rather than Brian) in a way a band pic wouldn't have.
179  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 24, 2013, 10:21:48 AM
Not all huge frames are built for ass kickin', SB.
180  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 24, 2013, 10:12:03 AM
Rocky punching him. Gaines' book is on Google Books, so you can read the relevant bit here, from page 310 to 314 - with the no doubt maddening exception of page 312.
181  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Where is that %^&$@#&* MIC Box Set @#$%^&*(!!! on: January 24, 2013, 10:06:53 AM
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Dennis is by common consent the second great songwriter in the band after Brian

No he's not, because Mike Love is the one whose name is on the copyrights to all those hits, and it's his positivity and commercial sense which made the Beach Boys the bankable global brand it is today. Give him some doo. Wrinkles and Oh! Those Girls remain on the cutting room floor - here is a chance for such wrongs to be righted.
182  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Wherein Sam listens to DSOTM for the 1ST time EVER and we talk about THE FLOYD on: January 24, 2013, 09:36:37 AM
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? Should probably try some Barrett stuff.

Damn straight. Not everybody gets him, but none of the complaints you've registered about DSOTM are going to cause you any problems with Syd. I like the solo stuff the best, The Madcap Laughs especially, though Barrett too is brilliant in parts. The Floyd stuff though (The Piper at the Gates of Dawn plus a few singles) is a lot more "together", not counting a few later oddities like Vegetable Man and Jugband Blues.
183  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 24, 2013, 08:39:56 AM
Thanks for that, Ian.

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It took place at meeting with David Frost (head of Paradine-the promoters). 

He of Frost/Nixon fame, no less. According to Stephen Gaines' account, as the meeting wound up with Carl laying unconscious, Stanley Love had the presence of mind to tell Frost: "It was a pleasure meeting you. I enjoyed all your Nixon interviews."
184  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Wherein Sam listens to DSOTM for the 1ST time EVER and we talk about THE FLOYD on: January 24, 2013, 07:27:36 AM
I quite like it though.

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This is Roger Waters, yes? He's not exactly a classic rock voice. Sounds better on the slower bit.

I believe the "not a classic rock voice" is David Gilmour, and the "better", "slower" bit is Rick Wright. Waters' only leads are on the last two songs, if I'm not mistaken.
185  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 24, 2013, 06:50:55 AM
I see the tour chronology was covered pretty thoroughly here - though nothing on the date of the fracas with Rocky Pamplin. I guess what I'm wondering here is whether Carl hadn't yet received his "black eye" at the time of the press conference, or if perhaps the incident was less dramatic than some have painted it.
186  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 24, 2013, 06:36:32 AM
Bellagio Road says the Perth incident was March 14.

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/1978.html

It also reminds us that Carl "keeled over" at one point in the show. Someone pointed out earlier on that on the recording Carl appears to forget the entirety of the second verse of Darlin' - my instinct on hearing it was that he was on the ground at that time.
187  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 24, 2013, 06:24:43 AM
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has all this anti-smoking stuff that even took over France reached Down Under yet?)


Just slightly. This is what cigarette packets are required to look like by law in Australia. Whenever I go to Europe, I'm always amazed at how relaxed attitudes are to smoking there.

If you'll pardon me for going off topic ...
188  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Video: Carl explains his behavior. Press Conference, Perth 1978 on: January 24, 2013, 06:14:46 AM
I've lived most of my life in Perth and while I was only six-and-a-half in April 1978, I clearly remember scandalised talk that the Beach Boys had performed while drunk. My brothers and I owned a best-of and liked the BBs, but not to the extent that them coming to Perth was any kind of event for us. I was a bit disappointed at the onset of my full-blown fandom a decade later to read in Stephen Gaines' Heroes and Villains that all this happened in Melbourne. This turned out to be wrong of course - although Carl's performance in Melbourne was quite bad enough. My brother tells me Molly Meldrum blasted the group on Countdown (apologies to baffled non-antipodean readers here), which would have been one of a tiny number of cases of him offering an opinion on anything that wasn't completely fawning. I'm sure this would have been on the basis of the Melbourne show, which was shown on television besides (hence the footage on YouTube, if it's still there).

Question for the historians: what date would this press conference have been, and when did he cop his black eye from Rocky Pamplin?
189  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2007 article on Beach Boys touring royalties on: January 04, 2013, 11:10:36 PM
I note that the comments on The Smoking Gun site for the tour rider include the following from "Steve Love, University of Southern California". The accompanying Facebook page looks kosher (superficially at least).

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Looks like the Boys have become cranky old fusspots since my time with them in the roaring Seventies!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstage/hall-fame/beach-boys

http://www.facebook.com/steve.love.90
190  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2007 article on Beach Boys touring royalties on: January 04, 2013, 05:33:58 AM
And on a semi-related note, there's this zinger from, of all things, the United States Court of Appeals (Ninth Circuit) ruling in LOVE v. SANCTUARY RECORDS GROUP LTD TV LLC, concerning the Smile/Mail on Sunday matter.

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The central issue before us is whether American claims for relief can be asserted on the basis of conduct that only occurred in Great Britain. The defendants think not. Love wishes they all could be California torts.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1530601.html
191  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 2007 article on Beach Boys touring royalties on: January 04, 2013, 04:23:04 AM
I've just come across this 2007 piece by Rafi Mohammed, who appears to be some manner of big-cheese business consultant, entitled "What’s the Value of the 'The Beach Boys' Brand", which as far as I can tell has never been mentioned on this site before. The upshot:

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Luckily, the Beach Boys are litigious – there are several publicly available court documents containing a treasure trove of interesting information ...

In 1998, after the death of Carl Wilson and amidst dissension in the band, BRI met to decide how “The Beach Boys” trademark should be used. As a result of this meeting, Mike Love agreed to pay a royalty on all of his gross concert revenues for the right to tour as “The Beach Boys.” C’mon, take a guess at how much the royalty rate is…Mr. Love agreed to pay a 20% royalty on the first $1 million in gross receipts and a 17.5% royalty thereafter. WOW…20% right off the top (before expenses)! I was surprised - that’s a lot of money especially since concert touring expenses are so high: managers and agents take percentages, it’s expensive to travel with a large band, and sound/light systems are costly. Of course, since Mike Love owns 25% of BRI, the net royalty he pays is 15%...but still, quite pricey ...

We all know that brands are valuable. But from a Value Decoder perspective, I’m always interested in understanding exactly how much a brand is worth. In this case, a heck of a lot! This value is illustrated by a comment from a friend of mine who is mildly interested in music. Amidst my shock over the 20% royalty, he commented “Rafi, I know who ‘The Beach Boys’ are but I have no idea who Mike Love is.”

http://www.pricingforprofit.com/pricing-strategy-blog/what-s-value-beach-boys-brand.htm
192  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best and worst album covers on: December 26, 2012, 09:22:05 PM
I've aggregated the various lists here and come up with the following:

1. Wild Honey (79 points)
2. Surf's Up (75)
3. Smile (69)
4. Smiley Smile (64)
5. All Summer Long (52)
6. Holland (49)
7. Friends (41)
8. Love You (28)
9. Summer in Paradise (27)
10. Summer Days (26)

Persons of good taste who would like to see Summer in Paradise blasted out of the top ten might wish to vote tactically for Surfin' USA, Surfer Girl, Party! and Surfin' Safari, all of which are bubbling under.
193  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best and worst album covers on: December 23, 2012, 10:13:24 AM
Surfin' USA, All Summer Long and Summer Days are the best of the early covers, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I liked them.
194  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Best and worst album covers on: December 23, 2012, 09:56:55 AM
I've had two takers in my bid to get a best album covers discussion going on the "Good/Poor/potentially confusing Beach Boys album titles" thread, and it occurs to me that it warrants a thread of its own. I also suggest we nominate least favourites as well as favourites.

From the other thread we've had this from Roger the Shrubber:

01) The Smile Sessions (3D Box)
02) Surf's Up
03) Summer In Paradise (UK Version)
04) Smiley Smile
05) Friends
06) LA
07) Holland
08) Pet Sounds
09) In Concert
10) Wild Honey

And this from Sockittome:

1). Friends
2). Wild Honey
3). TSS
4). Surfs Up
5). All Summer Long
6). Summer Days and......
7). Surfin' USA
Cool. Smiley Smile
9). Surfin' Safari
10). Holland

And here's what I wrote on the previous thread, to which I would like to add that my nomination for least favourite goes to KTSA.

I've only been able to come up with seven covers I actually like. I dare say I'm the only person who'll be including C&TP, which is fatally flawed in its failure to accurately represent the music, but I nonetheless think it's a striking design that would have stood a more "nostalgic" album in very good stead.

1. Smile
2. Holland
3. Wild Honey
4. Surf's Up
5. Smiley Smile
6. Friends
7. Carl & The Passions - So Tough

As far as I'm concerned, anything pre-Smile is just hack work by an art department that clearly had nothing invested in the band emotionally. I've got nothing against the covers of 20/20 or Sunflower, but neither is terribly imaginative. There would be a case to be made for including Endless Summer, but I don't find the image all that attractive personally. MIU and BB85 are inoffensive, but a really good cover has to make a statement about the music, and in neither case does the music allow for a statement worth making. The other later covers are bad to disastrous, the worst offender being KTSA.

As for solo albums, an honourable mention goes to the very elegant design for BW88. TLOS is the best of the later BW solo albums. I find the cover of POB cover a bit boring, I'm afraid - I wish they'd gone for the shot of the title scrawled in beach sand which you see on the foldout for the reissue.
195  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good/Poor/potentially confusing Beach Boys album titles on: December 23, 2012, 09:41:36 AM
I've only been able to come up with seven covers I actually like. I dare say I'm the only person who'll be including C&TP, which is fatally flawed in its failure to accurately represent the music, but I nonetheless think it's a striking design that would have stood a more "nostalgic" album in very good stead.

1. Smile
2. Holland
3. Wild Honey
4. Surf's Up
5. Smiley Smile
6. Friends
7. Carl & The Passions - So Tough

As far as I'm concerned, anything pre-Smile is just hack work by an art department that clearly had nothing invested in the band emotionally. I've got nothing against the covers of 20/20 or Sunflower, but neither is terribly imaginative. There would be a case to be made for including Endless Summer, but I don't find the image all that attractive personally. MIU and BB85 are inoffensive, but a really good cover has to make a statement about the music, and in neither case does the music allow for a statement worth making. The other later covers are bad to disastrous, the worst offender being KTSA.

As for solo albums, an honourable mention goes to the very elegant design for BW88. TLOS is the best of the later BW solo albums. I find the cover of POB a bit boring, I'm afraid - I wish they'd gone for the shot of the title scrawled in beach sand which you see on the foldout for the reissue.
196  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Songs with end sections you dislike on: December 19, 2012, 06:05:41 AM
I seem to remember Al saying he didn't like the end of Break Away because they were singing at too low a pitch, which "made us sound like old men". So my guess is that his concern was commercial. Remember that the context here was that they were experiencing financial difficulties, fishing for a new contract and desperate for a hit, and here was a full-blooded Brian Wilson production specifically tailored to that end - but in the view of Al, they blew it by failing to sound sufficiently "youthful", which he continued (rightly or wrongly) to perceive as synonymous with "commercial". From my perspective though, the end section of Break Away is awesome. The descending "ahh-ahh-ahh" bit is breathtaking - like a ray of sunlight flooding into a dark room.

Back on topic - I've never liked the fadeout on the otherwise lovely You Still Believe In Me.
197  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 50 Big Ones - How was the track line-up chosen? on: December 16, 2012, 03:16:38 AM
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Depends on where you are.

There's cross-purposes here as to whether we mean a classic in the sense of a great song, or a song everybody knows. In the first case, most certainly. In the second, it may as you say depend where you are. I imagine it would be best known in the US by virtue of having been on Endless Summer.
198  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why haven't the band's total sales been properly audited? on: December 15, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
There's obviously a great deal of crude guesswork here. Surely the Capitol two-fer CDs weren't really outsold by things that came out at about the same time called "California and Other Girls" and "Concert Days". It also isn't my understanding that KTSA outsold LA (Light Album), chart positions notwithstanding.
199  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sharon Marie on: December 15, 2012, 01:05:01 AM
Summertime is awesome - one of the few extra-BBs Brian productions of the 60s that I like, I'm sorry to say.
200  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good/Poor/potentially confusing Beach Boys album titles on: December 08, 2012, 08:58:31 AM
Has a "best BBs album cover" poll ever been done here?
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