Keep in mind, the 1988 "release" was intended only to be a single CD, so I'm sure Mark was quite limited as to what he could include. As far as mixes already being completed by Brian, that's a matter of conjecture. There is a compilation reel from December of '66 with Our Prayer, Wonderful, Cabin Essence (two versions), Child Is Father of the Man (two segments), and Do You Like Worms. Those are Brian's original mixes. There is another compilation reel from January of '67 with "Do A Lot", "All Day" (takes 1-2 and 13-17), "Bridge to Indians" (vocal session), "Bag of Tricks" (a single take in two mixes), and "Tag to Part 1" (an undubbed take and two overdubs). These seem just to have been a means to save a few segments on tape.

As far as Mark's working materials, his mix of Wind Chimes is based off of Brian's rough 1966 edit. His "mix" of The Old Master Painter is sourced from Dennis' acetate, so that's a Brian mix. His mix of Vega-Tables is based off of a rough assembly made by Brian in April of '67. Otherwise, I'd say the mixes are basically his own.

A lot of the Smile bootlegs (first appearing in 1983) stem from what appears to have a massive amount of copying which allegedly dates back to 1977-78 with the "Preiss tape" and several hours of other session material (also non-Smile stuff). A lot of this stuff was never "officially" (lulz) booted until the early 2000s.

I now appreciate better what ML has had to do to put this 2011 release together. He basically has had to "glue" and "layer" together a bunch of fragments. I had mistakenly assumed maybe he had more completed mixes on reel than what actually has been the case. This video confirms it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=dw09zOhZ_Ck#!

I picked up my Smile box and the 2 CD set early last week.

For those who are concerned about the availability of vinyl tracks included in the box and nowhere else. FLAC and Mp3 files are being generated for those and obviously you can then pop them on CD in .wav or whatever format.

I particularly am concerned about the availability of the 7" singles... I wish there had been a "vinyl" deluxe option that included these plus the 2xlp.

Does anyone know roughly what Mark had to work with when he started on SMilE in 1988? Were the mixes that led to the GV box already completed by Brian or did he have to assemble some of them (like Vega-Tables)? Also, prior to 1988 (this narrows who can answer this question) were there any bootlegs floating around? It seems like everything that I have come across leads to the 1988 related sessions (Vigotone, Sea of Tunes, dat transfer "rough mixes" leak, etc.). Any insight would be appreciated.

The Poor Make less money and have to order the vinyl version. These Persons also cannot Make digital files of this.

I don't care that XXX is negative. I'm sick of opening this thread to find that he has derailed an interesting and/or fun conversation by droning on and on about the same crap he has posted here since he joined. It's impossible to ignore when it dominates several pages of the thread, and when it doesn't he just repeats himself until someone bites. If he ever has anything new to say I'd be more than happy to hear it, but until then he's just a troll who sucks the fun out of this place.

I think this could be said about many regular posters. People repeat themselves, have a fixed view, support an ideology, etc. That is part of human nature. While you read posts, just "scan" and ignore those that you find boring, pointless, or offensive. It's like reading a newspaper. You won't read every article. Belittling someone is a waste of your energy and potentially damaging to your target. It was already sad that a former member with suicidal tendencies was told to off himself. That is a far cry from discussing things like "Fun, Fun, Fun", "Vega-Tables", "Surf's Up" and the like. Let the Mods handle those who are out of line.

No, he's been banned from other boards because people keep following him around bullying him.

Here's what I said on another thread. I'll reprint it and keep reprinting it, because it's what has happened

I hate the group mentality, where just because several "alpha male" posters here have turned on someone, everyone feels it's OK to take a flying kick at his prostrate form. It's abhorrent animal behaviour, which basically translates as "glad it's not me, better prove my worthiness by joining the winning side"

I hate conflict, I hate falling out with people. I just want to come on here, chat about the BB's and have a laugh. But bullying has always made me sick, and one must stand up to bullies. If now I become persona non grata for not towing the line then so be it. Start bullying me, go on. I can assure you my give-a-f*ckometer will barely register.



Honestly, all the guy has to do is print "hello, I had eggs for breakfast, and he'd get stamped on. So he's negative?

There is room on here for negative personalities surely. Hate to think what would happen if Brian Wilson circa 1974 or 1980 came on here.

If you don't like his posts, ignore them, just don't become a nasty, snivelling cowardly little bully hiding behind a computer screen.

Well put IHA. Phil is a decent guy. I used to trade Cheap Trick stuff with him. I never saw any unusual negativity or behavior issues as what is implied. It's pretty sad to see how fashionable it is to bash this guy for having a skeptical style. Big deal. That's his contribution to the dialect. Not everyone functions through the same lens.

"Brian Farts Into The Piano"

I believe that this track is the missing "Air" portion of the Elements suite. Brian described this section as a short piano thing, and this fits the bill.

Never imagined someone complaining about to good edits, what a peculiar world we live in.

Yep. It is.

I think that the new version is too cherrypicked and polished. I think the ML version with the doubled vocals was more 1967 imo.

I think that this is a really good question. I will speculate that of those three, the ML88/Vigotone version might be the closest to where is was left pre-Smiley. Someone can probably prove me wrong on this, but I feel like the 88 ML material is the most likely to be the least f***** with. I think that the GV box began the era of re-ordering of the modular parts (Heroes sections for example) to drift away from the actual state of the 1967 material as it was left. I am not willing to draw a hard line on this and maybe someone who has been around this material longer may have a better sense on this. If you really want a safe choice, the "Cornocopia version" is a complete presented structure. I like that that version best. It is really weird and represents what I would hope SMiLE to be: a really bizarre album that reflects the mind of a very creative man (on drugs).

It's a dns exploit. Basically whenever you type a url in your address bar, the url routes to the ip of the website. Like if you go to http://74.125.224.72/ you'll end up at google.com. dns servers link urls to the correct ip addresses.
The guy doing it wasn't malicious from what I can tell. He probably just trolls the internet using some script to find servers where he can use his exploit, the urls get hijacked and redirect, not to their regular ips, but to one of his selecting. Using this exploit one could trick people into providing their usernames/emails/passwords to him.
Basically he thinks he's providing a service by showcasing this exploit in order for people to beef up their security or fix the problem or whatever. That's what a lot of "hackers" do. It's annoying as hell for everyone, but a lot of hackers are just interested in showing off security flaws.

if this person indeed used just a script, he/she then wouldn't even be a "hacker," as a hacker would have found a way to do it from scratch. This person would be considered a "script kiddie" -- so-called because of using a script or other kind of pre-programmed app instead of learning how to do it yourself, and "kiddie" because they're usually kids who are trying to be "1337."

What about the kids who are trying to be "37!ws"?

I second that with "AlternateBrianWilson" as the runner-up.

I think you're creating hate here. 

Or "Kulturkritik"

when did the three score and five version of heroes and villains ever get made in stereo

Correct me if I'm wrong, but other than bootleg, the only 'legit' version was released on the Smiley/Wild Honey 2-fer and it was mono, right?

I believe that you are correct. That is my preferred version and am not aware of any other.

The original title for Pacific Ocean Blue was intended to be Pacific Ocean F***
The original tracklist was:
"F*** Song" - 3:44
"F***'s Wrong" - 2:23
"Moonf***" - 2:27
"F*** Night" - 3:10
"F****er" - 4:23
"Thoughts of F***" - 3:04 (was provisionally titled "F**** of You"
"F***" - 3:32
"You and F***" - 3:25
"Pacific Ocean F***" - 2:37
"Farewell My F***" - 2:26
"F****s" - 2:48
"End of the F***" - 2:57

Some additional session info:
During a typical night with Dennis, he repeatedly switches back and forth between two personas: "daddy" and "baby".
Throughout the sessions, Dennis uses a medical mask and tube to inhale some kind of stimulant from an aerosol canister. The identity of this gas is a subject of controversy.
Perhaps most memorable of all is when Gregg Jakobson requests Heineken Beer and Dennis replies, "Heineken? F*** that sh**! Pabst Blue Ribbon!".

The source of this attempt at humor can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Booth_%28Blue_Velvet%29

I think you're reading too much into the singles

I think that you are right! I guess it would be livable for "historically accurate" versions of HV and Vega singles. I think that Surf's Up can only be a "historically intended" depiction at most since it probably never was "fully baked".

I think that the 7" singles are a real make or break (for me) for the project as a whole. A lot was riding on the "singles" HV and Vega-Tables. With Surf's Up as the flipside to Vega, all of the the heaviest hitters are represented here. If they simply take the "album" version of HV and call it "Part 1" and some "sections HV" and call it "Part 2", who wouldn't be infuriated? How could this not be seen as "raking it in"? There (hopefully) has to be something very significant here. It also will be really interesting to see what qualifies as the Vega single. It can't be the sparse SS version, and hopefully it isn't the ML GV arranged version. Surf's Up is a huge wildcard too. If they take the ML GV sections plus connected solo BW version, they would never hear the end of it (from folks like us). So what will we get with these singles will really set the tone for this release (for me). This should separate the new set from the Unsurpassed Masters and Vigotone boots and Good Vibrations boxes, one would hope. ML and AB seem really sensible to me, so my money is banking on a great new set of material.

never heard those versions of h&v of surfs up before

Maybe the vinyl "bonus" version of Surf's Up? Maybe not...

It's 169.99 on soundstagedirect. If you use the code VINYL11, you save 11% (which brings it down to about $152). Apparently they are a good company. I haven't ordered anything from them prior to this, but I saw good feedback on some message boards.