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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set on: October 11, 2022, 01:25:01 PM
To answer the topic brought up above, yes, the Analogue Productions releases (vinyl and CD/SACD hybrid) are legit, licensed releases. I'm not sure what would possibly make anyone think they're not. They were/are sold through legitimate retailers, and have known names that remastered them.

They weren't discussed a ton here, but I think that was just a confluence of a bunch of things (the 2012 reissues being relatively recent at the time, not a super huge interest here in high-rez, and the incomplete nature of both reissue campaigns).

The current mode of running through the catalog and getting the albums back out there in physical form and also presenting a ton of outtakes (e.g. Feel Flows and Sail on Sailor) is ideal, and I certainly hope we continue to see the 70s covered in one form or another.
I bought all of he analogue production masters as high res downloads. They are easily the best editions of those albums. I don’t expect them to be bettered. Absolutely vital purchases.

I think it was also Analogue Productions that handled the 200g vinyl release of Holland that I also own.  That sucker's a pretty thick piece of wax; it could take a bullet and still probably play fine.  🤣

And even better; although mentioned nowhere on either the 2LP vinyl release or the SACD, both contain We Got Love as a bonus cut. (granted, they do mention it on their website).

This version of WGL is a longer edit compared to the original version that only made it on testpressings of the first version of Holland, and a few hundred German pressings (when someone at WEA accidenally accidentally took the wrong master to press a second run of the original pressing (probably March 1973). And this longer edit is the same as the one on the so-called Klay-tapes (Brother 3CD set).
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: August 17, 2022, 10:42:08 PM
Must say that I laughed out loud when I saw your photo with my old “Friends of The Beach Boys” issues!  Someone must have paid you to take them off their hands! Lol!

There’s nothing wrong with ‘old’ fanzines like yours. I love ‘em. They were part of a trade I did. And I actually already have nr 6 and 7, so if anyone’s interested… I’m still looking for #1&2 myself btw.

Did you know there was another fanzine called ‘Friends’?  Issued by the Dutch fanclub between 1971-74.

3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: August 17, 2022, 10:37:50 PM
One of the attendees made a cool little movie of the visit. Practice your Dutch if you want to understand any of it !  Grin
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: August 17, 2022, 12:21:10 PM
Sorry that I couldn't join !
Just a couple of questions:  The "Studio"s nabours; will they still open a Beach Boys-themed Bed & Breakfast.
And the " Holland"book: When is its release scheduled. And will it be in dutch, only?

Ah, the neighbours with ideas on starting a BBBBB&B (Beach Boys BaamBrugge Bed & Breakfast)… no clue. We didn’t speak with them.

The scheduled release is March 2023. The publisher only made a deal for a Dutch publication. But the authors are allowed to find another publisher to publish this book in another language. I personally would welcome it, as I expect that an English release would interestva larger sales market. And the authors agree with that. There’s few vague ideas, but no concrete plans yet. Although a few fans already gave some suggestions.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: August 16, 2022, 11:46:33 AM
Here’s a look back on the Dutch Beach Boys meeting of August 14th 2022. My partner-in-crime for this day, Willem, made a reservation at Café De Punt in Baambrugge. That’s the café right across the street where the studio used to be. And where the boys would often go to for drink and a toast in between sessions. Yes, the café’s still there, and honestly, the interior hasn’t changed that much in 50 years… and they still have toasts on the menu. I arrived a bit early, and appropriately ordered a few toasts for lunch. The meeting was officially planned between 2-5PM, but the first fans started pouring in before that. We quickly figured out that the terrace that was reserved for us – although equipped with large parasols – was steaming hot (surrounded with fences and glass windows). So we soon moved to another terrace on the back, along the river, where the temperature was much more bearable.

The first was mostly used for handshakes and reminiscing. And lots of drinks! Many familiar faces, but also a few new ones. Really nice to finally shake hands with jk (active Endless Harmony board). But we even had a guest that came over from Germany (albeit a genuine Australian guy – mooger frooger, well known on the SmileySmile board) who arrived just in time to join during our visit at the ‘barn’.

At around 3PM we went for a short walk to the other side of the street where the current owner of the little business park (that is situated on the site where the studio used to be) was waiting for us. And to our happy surprise he didn’t just open the gate for us, but gave us a grand tour on the premises, and gave us an extensive explanation on the history of the barn, its functions prior to and during the making of Holland, and a more details on the exact location of the former BBC2 studio and a more accurate date on when the building was torn down. Regarding the book on Holland we’re working on, we still have some questions left, but thanks to the owner we now also know where to find the local historian of Baambrugge, so he might be able to tell us even more.

Half an hour later we happily returned to the café’s terrace (did I mention already it was HOT – especially standing and walking on a large piece of concrete!) for more drinks and conversation., and bragging on our individual extraordinary experiences with the Beach Boys (all true stories though). We also took the time to memorate our good friend Maarten, who was supposed to be here as well, but passed away suddenly shotly after he announced he would come over as well (his wife joined us for this occasion). As a former member of the Dutch vocal group Holland Smiles, and a great guys in general, we will surely miss him.

For those interested I even had a few copies of the new Drifting Sand CD-single with Al Jardine guesting on bv’s on ‘Best Summer Ever’, that some of the fans happily bought a copy off. Some of us brought memorabilia, and I was lucky enough to get hold on some older fan magazines (thanks Willem!!). Later on, I opened up the trunk of my car loaded with boxes filled with spare BB vinyl, cd’s and books/magazines, and a few fans happily took advantage of the occasion. And thanks to another fan a few of us were even able to listen to a live stream of the single In Concert album – even Bluetooth-ed through the stereo of my car it sounded great! Many thanks to him for giving us the chance to listen to it!

Afterwards we became aware that we actually hadn’t done trouble enough to spread the word on this meeting, as we heard from several German fans they would have loved to have been there. And tbh, I would have loved to have seen and meet them here (The California Saga fanclub has done some very cool meetings in the past as well. We’ll definitely do our best to promote our next meeting even better. I half expect that there will be another meeting in the near future, if only for the fact that the Holland album’s anniversary is next year and there’s a book to be presented. We’ll have to think of a good location to do this. There’s several possibilities, but if I may believe the owner of the business park, we might as well do it there. But that’s something to figure out later on.

Café De Punt

We were sitting on the terrace at the back along the river de Angstel. The site of the former studio is across the street just behind us.

Obligatory toast

Fans arriving

At the entrance of the former site of the studio; hasn’t changed since 1972

The owner gave us a tour on the site; here we are standing in front of the current building listening to his explanation on the companies that were here 50 years ago and where several buildings/barns were situated.

The current business units. The former studio was actually on the back side of these buildings

At the back of the building, standing on where the studio used to be

Remembering Maarten

After talk on the terrace

Got me some goodies…

6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: August 14, 2022, 11:00:23 PM
It sure did happen!

It was a hot day (especially walking on the concrete underground during our tour on the site of the former studio), but we had a blast! I’ll tell more about it soon. Pictures of the event will follow the next couple of days.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: August 08, 2022, 07:47:04 AM
A last update and reminder !

As announced before, there's a informal Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge on August 14th (Sunday).

Location: Café De Punt, Rijksstraatweg 12 Baambrugge,
Time: 14:00 - 17:00PM

We don't have an official program, just a few hours of chatting with fans and sharing memories. There's room inside for the group to do so, and in that case we might be able to play some appropriate (and rare) music). But when weather permits, we're sitting outside of course.

No official program...but... we are allowed to visit the former site of the BBC2 studio, just across the street. For those who want to take the opportunity to be there: the gate will be opened for us at 15PM. I'll take some documentation with me, so we can locate and visualize the studio. And perhaps the current owner of the site can tell us a bit more (not on the recordings though).

Any questions? Reply or send me a PM.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: July 01, 2022, 11:06:57 PM
UPDATE: the date is set on Sunday August 14th. More details will follow.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Beach Boys fan meeting in Baambrugge August 14th 2022 on: June 24, 2022, 01:56:57 PM
A couple of fans are currently busy trying to organize a Beach Boys meeting to celebrate 50 years of Holland. We'd like to hold this meeting in Café De Punt in Baambrugge, just accross the street where the Beach Boys largely recorded their Holland album. Not a big event, mind you, but an opportunity to meet and speak with fans. And if possible (with permission of the current owner of course) possibly a short visit to the former location of the studio.

But we'd like to get an idea of how many fans we can expect (in case we have to reserve part of the cafe).
Big chance of course that it's mostly Dutch fans... but we all speak English and/or German (or something that sounds like it), and we happily invite anyone that has the opportunity and would like to be here to come over and join this happy occasion.

Current possible dates are:
- Saturday August 6th or 13th
- Sunday August 7th of 14th

If you're interested please let me know.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carol Kaye is at it again! on: January 23, 2022, 11:47:44 AM
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lead Vocals on 1970's The Flame on: November 18, 2021, 02:33:41 PM
According to a friend of the Flame(s), Bing Kinsey, every track on The Flame has lead vocals from Blondie, secondary vocals from Steve, and most or all have backing vocals from all four members; except for "Don't Worry Bill", which has lead from Steve and secondary from Blondie instead.

There’s more lead vocals from Steve than Bing suggests. One can distinguish Steve and Blondies vocals quite well. Blondies voice is higher and much clearer. Whereas Steve has a lower timbre, and a slightly huskier voice.

My take on the lead vocals on The Flame album:
1.    See the Light – Blondie
2.    Make It Easy – Blondie
3.    Hey Lord – Blondie
4.    Lady – Steve (verse) + Blondie (refrain)
5.    Don’t Worry Bill – Steve (1st part)+ Blondie (starting from “Don’t worry, Bill , She loves you still”)
6.    Get your Mind Made up – Steve (verse + refrain) + Blondie (bridge (Honey don’t send me your pictures)
7.    Highs and Lows – Steve (although it’s Blondie vocal one can hear most clearly on the refrain)
8.    I’m So Happy – Blondie
9.    Dove – Steve
10.  Another Day Like Heaven – Steve (verses: in a quite higher register than is usual for him, but it doesn’t sound like Blondie to me; it’s more like Steve is using his head voice) + Blondie (bridge (Love is all I have to give)). On the coda it’s the group with Blondie clearly singing on top)
11.  See the Light (Reprise) – Blondie
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Misheard lyric favorites on: October 14, 2021, 02:30:04 PM
I figured out quite quickly what the right lyrics were, but…

“ dance dance dance now the b**ch really hot”… ahem…. Roll Eyes
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which singles are unique mixes, different edits and new recordings (vs LP)? on: October 14, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
Bluebirds Over The Mountain:
The Dutch mis-mix was already mentioned by dogear. They acccidentally mixed the extra percussion for the single version up front instead of more in the background). Surprisingly despite of this it still was a decent hit here.

Surfin’ Safari:
Also mentioned by dogear. Original 60s German release on the Ariola label. But it’s a different take they used.

And if the Party tracks that were put on single fall under this category:
Mountain Of Love: no intro/less chatter after (b-side Then I Kissed Her, released in most countries in 1967)
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did The Beach Boys Play To Segregated Audiences on: September 30, 2020, 01:14:05 AM
Not saying it was a wise decision to perform in S.A., but I do want to put it in a broader context. One might want to check out the Wiki page on Sun City, and it's controversial status, both within South Africa and internationally.:


Sun City was developed by the hotel magnate Sol Kerzner as part of his Sun International group of properties. It was officially opened on 7 December 1979, then located in the Bantustan of Bophuthatswana.

As Bophuthatswana had been declared an independent state by South Africa's apartheid government (although unrecognized as such by any other country), it could provide entertainment such as gambling and topless revue shows, which were banned in South Africa. Those factors, as well as its relatively-close location to the large metropolitan areas of Pretoria and Johannesburg, ensured that Sun City soon became a popular holiday and weekend destination.

The United Nations had imposed a cultural boycott on South Africa in condemnation of apartheid. To overcome this, Kerzner offered substantial financial incentives to performing artists to use Sun City as a venue. Several famous performers disregarded the boycott and performed at the venue, such as the Beach Boys,[1] Linda Ronstadt,[1] Cher,[1] Millie Jackson,[1] Liza Minnelli,[1] Frank Sinatra (1981),[2] Paul Anka,[2] Status Quo,[3] Rod Stewart (July 1983),[2][3] and Elton John (October 1983).[2] British rock band Queen's series of performances at the venue in October 1984—in transgression of the boycott—caused considerable controversy, prompting criticism in the British music press, a fine from the Musicians' Union, and Queen's inclusion on the United Nations' blacklisted artists. Following the criticism, Queen strongly defended their decision, citing the fact that they had insisted they played only to desegregated audiences. They also donated to a school for the deaf and blind to prove their philanthropic values.[3] In the late 1980s, Queen's song "We Will Rock You" was used as the sound track to Sun City's 60-second video promo, which was shown as commercial on SABC-TV and also when opening shows in Sun City's Superbowl auditorium.

The last 2 pictures were taken at the Sun City Hotel, with a view on the Sun City lagoon (and a few outskirts of Pilanesberg/mountain). Here's a picture of the mountain (at the lake) as it looks these days.

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Has Ricky Fataar had any solo releases on: February 09, 2020, 01:51:57 AM
And perhaps less known, but also an interesting fact is Ricky's involvement with David Cassidy's Home Is Where the Heart Is album. Ricky plays drums on Tomorrow and On Fire, both which were released on single (the latter as the b-side to Breaking Down Again). The b-side of Tomorrow - Half Past Your Bedtime - is a co-write of David, Ricky and Gerry Beckley (Ricky was involved with America's Silent Letter album). And the album was produced by David and ... Bruce Johnston ! It's a small BB-world, isn't it?

16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Has Ricky Fataar had any solo releases on: February 09, 2020, 01:22:40 AM
To give you an idea of what Ricky has done musically after he left the Beach Boys (and Joe Walsh's Barnstorm), here's a pic of some releases he's been involved with.

- Crowded House: Weather With You (Ricky plays drums on three tracks of the Woodface album, among which this track)
- Tim Finn: Too Much Friction (Ricky co-produced this track and the Escapade album, he also plays drums on this album)
- Robert Palmer: She Makes My Day (Ricky plays (additional) drums on the Heavy Nova album, including this track, and on Simply Irresistable)
- Bonnie Raitt: Nick Of Time (Ricky plays drums and percussion on this track - he also plays drums on most of the other album tracks)
- The Ruttles: I Must Be In Love EP (no comment  Grin )
- Womack & Womack: Teardrops (Ricky drums on this track and the Concience album)
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Has Ricky Fataar had any solo releases on: February 06, 2020, 07:04:58 AM
If you want to get an idea of what Ricky has been doing since he left the Beach Boys, check Click on "Solo" on the menu bar left. You'd be surprised to see how productive he was, as both a composer, musician and producer.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 22 years ago... on: February 06, 2020, 06:46:54 AM
... gone but not forgotten...

19  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: Ricky Fataar on: December 14, 2019, 11:27:50 PM
Ricky stayed very active as both a musician and producer. Check and go To Solo Efforts > Ricky Fataar.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lead Vocals on 1970's The Flame on: August 22, 2019, 11:08:03 PM
Steve sings most other leads on that album. As was also the case on their previous Flames albums.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread on: August 02, 2019, 05:23:30 AM
Thanks for the information! I only found it coincidentally by typing in "Beach Boys 1970" or something into google's picture search function.
What would you say, is that Dennis between Al and Bruce? Kinda looks like him to my eyes, though usually it would be Carl's place; probably singing "Their hearts were full of spring".

I'm not sure, but to me it looks like Carl. He was wearing a white (or light) jacket that night.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread on: August 01, 2019, 05:17:29 AM

That's a pretty unique picture, Rocker. According to this article in a Dutch newspaper (I actually found 3 articles with that same picture), this one was taken during the now famous December 18 1970 concert in Amsterdam. You know, the midnight concert that started a bit later than planned due to fog (or early, if you consider it started on the 19th at 5:15AM). Nice to see it in better quality.

23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: July 06, 2019, 02:20:21 PM
Pictures and videosnippets from the Futureland, Tweede Maasvlakte Rotterdam July 5th concert

Arriving at the stage

At the dock, waiting for the ships to arrive

The promenade from the dock to the stage

The stage; the screen shows pictures of the Spido company from the early days

The first ship arrives; this one is well on time

Mike checking the stage – I think there two at most that recognized him (I was one of them); everybody kept chatting and drinking…

VIDEO-snippet: The orchestra starts with an overture

The band joins, starting with Do It Again

VIDEO-snippet: Surfer Girl

VIDEO-snippet: Kiss Me Baby

During the shortened car-medley

Fun, Fun, Fun with Fireworks

VIDEO-snippet: Fun, Fun, Fun with Fireworks

…and goodbye !

24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: July 06, 2019, 10:26:14 AM
Pictures from the Luxor Rotterdam July 3rd concert

Do You Wanna Dance?

During the car medley

Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring

God Only Knows

25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: July 06, 2019, 05:52:39 AM
Futureland, Tweede Maasvlakte, Rotterdam, July 5th 2019

This concert was a special one. The owner of the water tour company Spido wanted to celebrate their 100 year jubilee with a special concert. He had seen the Beach Boys perform in Rotterdam (Nieuwe Luxor Theater) in 2017 and had decided to get this group back in the Netherlands in 2019 for a special concert with the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra. And so it happened apparently. The location was a special one as well: in the heart of the industrial port area Tweede Maasvlakte. A "new" part of the Netherlands, built where used to be the North Sea. Between the transhipment companies, cranes, and containers a large stage was built where the band could perform. Attendants could go to the venue by boat from the center of Rotterdam (a 2 and a half hour trip with diner, and the same trip back with beverages and food, accompanied by a Joe Cocker tribute band). Or one could go by car, drive to a central parking spot and be transported by a shuttle bus. The latter being a lot cheaper of course. The venue was a closed area , enclosed by containers. Except for the typical sea-smell, the beach atmosphere was nowhere to been seen (except for a few fake palmtrees that were placed along the path from the harbour to the stage). But the location was special nonetheless, seeing the cranes in the distance being operated during the concert and large boats passing by. Mike even made a joke about it when they entered the stage ("you know... we're just doing it for the oil and gas..."). Within the concerts area there were several stalls with beverages and cold/hot snacks. As there were only limited seats available for the disabled and special guests, the atmosphere was that of a festival.

I had already heard from Scott that because of the venue's location, the scheduled starting time (21PM), and the fact that an intermission was planned, a shorter set would be played. The concert would end at 23PM with a firework show, which couldn't be shifted. The concert started 15 minutes too late though, due to the last boat with special guests (including the mayor) arriving too late at the venue. Because of that the intermission was shortened; the band only took a short break during the RPO’s rendition of In My Room.
It was very interesting to see how the orchestra and band collaborated. Mind you that they only had time to talk and practice together during the afternoon prior to the show. And where normally a conductor leads the orchestra and band, in this case she had to follow the band, concentrating on both what the band did and lead the orchestra through it. And she - with the orchestra - did a heck of a job, giving many songs extra punch, or familiar studio sounds (like for example the cello in Good Vibrations). And the Beach Boys clearly appreciated that, letting us know that several times during the concert.

As you can see, compared to the set of two days earlier, they didn't just shortened it, a few other songs were thrown in as well (Catch A Wave, Kiss Me Baby, All The Love In Paris), and was reshuffled quite a bit.  Also noticeable was that Scott didn’t do any leads due to a sour throat. The Boys were in good form again, clearly enjoying the collaboration with an orchestra and the location.

As said the show ended with fireworks, and it closed with the announcement that - because of the 100 year jubilee - Spido was awarded the title "Royal company" by the King of the Netherlands.

Setlist Rotterdam, July 5th 2019:
1. Overture (performed by the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra)
2. Do It Again
2. Surfin' Safari
3. Catch A Wave (ML + Eichenbacher)
5. Surfin' U.S.A.
6. Surfer Girl (band)
7. Getcha Back
8. Darlin' (Eichenbacher)
9. When I Grow Up (To Be A Man)
10. Kiss Me Baby
11. All The Love In Paris
12. Warmth Of The Sun (Eichenbacher)
13. Don't Worry Baby (Eichenbacher)
14. Little Deuce Coupe
15. I Get Around

16. Intermission / In My Room (performed by the Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra)

17. California Dreamin' (Cowsill)
18. Then I Kissed Her (Eichenbacher)
19. California Girls
20. Sloop John B. (BJ/Totten + ML)
21. Wouldn't It Be Nice (Eichenbacher)
the first 2 notes of I Write The Songs are played/sung during the introduction of grammy winner Bruce
22. Disney Girls (1957) (BJ)
23. God Only Knows (Christian Love)
24. Pisces Brothers
25. Cottonfields (Cowsill)
26. Help Me, Rhonda (Christian Love)
27. Barbara Ann (band)
28. Good Vibrations (Christian Love)
29. Kokomo
30. Fun, Fun, Fun

During the fireworks the Mike Love solo track Make Love Not War was played

Locations Rotterdam concerts Nieuwe Luxor Theater (right) and Futureland, Tweede Maasvlakte (left)

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The stage was located at where the bus is standing
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