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101  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Electronic Music Thread on: February 12, 2006, 02:42:20 PM
What about Joe Meeks recordings?
102  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: February 12, 2006, 12:26:31 AM
Care of Cell 44 by The Zombies.
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 04:32:05 PM
Agreed.
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 04:29:13 PM
Hahah well I had to get it out of my system. I just really haven't met anyone I know that likes smiley smile and then I came to the board and so all this praise and I had to express my opinion. You guys shouldn't be so harsh off the bat, we're all on this board for some sort of debate, so let's start off like that!
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 04:21:17 PM
Well we're back to the point. Brian WAS doing something different than pet sounds. Smile would've been a much better approach than smiley smile. He could've done a smiley smile type album after he released the real smile. I'm just angry that Smile was sacrificed for that album.

And I agree that Girls on the Beach has brians most interesting chord changes. Simply Brilliant.
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 04:11:46 PM
I was referring to ian about the telling me how I think.
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 04:09:01 PM
OOO OWNEEEEEDDD
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 04:07:56 PM
Well first of all because it shows how complex brians ideas were, and that he could fill the song to the brim with instruments and still make it accessible. He "saturated the tape with sounds".

Now, adding a ton of layers doesn't mean it's automatically superior to my ears. Listening to Pet Sounds on first listen, I never really thought how layered it was because it just sounded good to me. Then as I got more and more into the album I began realizing how brilliantly put together it all was.

And now here you are telling me how I think. You are contradicting yourself buddy. You can add a ton of layers and have it come out like sh*t.
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
I meant to include the grand coulle part also.  drums, a clownhorn type instrument, guitar, fuzz bass, a guitar hitting the strings on the very head of the guitar to make it sound like a railroad crossing, the vocals sweeping up and down some weird scale, tambourine,strings. I would say that's pretty layered, but not as much as pet sounds of course. 
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 03:50:39 PM
What about Cabin Essence? The "Who Ran the Iron Horse" part I think there is a ton of stuff going on. I agree that it's not as layered as Pet Sounds, and that's what makes Smile more accessible.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 03:43:42 PM
Well yes, the chord structure is simple but the layering of the smile music is what's complex. There are so many things going on. I agree that pet sounds had much more intricate music. Aside from Our Prayer and Heroes and Villains, they've done more complex vocal arrangements. Their earlier vocal work had a lot of 5 part harmonies, and you don't see it as much on Smile.
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 03:28:35 PM
Don't get me wrong I think they are complex. But I think like "And your dreams come true" and the today vocal arrangements are more complex than the smile vocals(minus Our Prayer), because Today and their earlier stuff focused mainly on the vocal parts, and smile was a double-whammy of music and vocals.
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 03:21:07 PM
It's true that the Smile Vocal parts aren't as complex as their earlier material, but the music really really shines. The Smile version vocals of the songs are very neat and tidy, where the smiley smile versions sound off-beat at times and not well rehearsed.
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 02:01:43 PM
I've heard some of the smiley sessions not all. And again, he had control but not COMPLETE control. He abandoned his brilliant complex ideas because "No one wants to help me look for places, where new things might be found."
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:51:46 PM
I think you guys are twisting the facts. Why isn't Brian credited as the sole producer if he had complete control? When Brian is credited as Sole producer, brians stamp is all over it. Everything up to Pet Sounds and the Smile sessions. And then boom a weird change of direction when brian isn't a sole producer on Smiley. And then finally when brian is credited as sole producer on Love you, the magic is back, his stamp is all over it. And not so much on any of the other records. 
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:44:13 PM
I dont know man I can't agree with you. We have conflicting sources of information.
117  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:40:25 PM
I don't know man I've heard van dyke say he was getting pissed off by mike love and I have an interview of him saying " When it came to the point that I was getting in the way of brothers and their relationships, I decided to back out" or something to that extent.

Also Smiley Smiles credits say Produced by The Beach Boys. It was the first beach boys album that didn't credit brian as sole producer. And yes Love you is just as weird as Smiley, but it's a very good weird, where smiley is a bad vibe weird(for me at least). I love Love You. Brian had complete creative control over Love you and he didn't over Smiley. He might've had a lot of control of Smiley but not all of it.
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:34:58 PM
Mike Love drove Van Dyke away, and Brian had no one left to bounce the ideas he was going for off of so he abandoned it.
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:33:43 PM
Well the sessions I have Wind Chimes is pieced together exactly as I stated.
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:32:24 PM
Brian seemed to be into, because he just wanted to make everyone happy. Why is that up until 2004 whenever Smile was mentioned in an interview he says it's a "bad area for me". He was obviously hurt that the rest of the guys didn't want to go along with his beautiful vision of Smile.
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:27:21 PM
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That's the 2004 version.

Ummm well you clearly don't have the 66 smile sessions I have. I've heard it with my own ears. And yes it is the 2004 version of smile too, but it was intact in 66.
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:24:59 PM
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Brian produced the Smiley Smile version, man. Listen to the session tapes. Brian is clearly the man in charge of the Smiley Smile sessions.

Well maybe he was, but he was under enormous pressure from the band and the record company and sacrificed his visions of grandeur to make them happy and he lost himself in the process. 
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:19:30 PM
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He does have a point, Wind Chimes isn't one of the better examples of Brian's production genius in its Smile incarnation. It benefitted from a minimalist version that appeared on Smiley Smile. The tune is more beautiful that way.

Well we both have different definitions of beauty then. The smile version is upbeat, happy sounding and then goes into a rocking breakdown part and eventually goes into the beautiful "Whisperin winds send my wind chimes a tinklin". The Smile version of that section is my definition of beauty. I would say that arrangement shows brians genius in all forms. The upbeat verses, the rocking breakdown "bom bom bom" and then the beautiful accapella outro. Smiley smiles version is SO bland and has NO dynamics.
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:07:43 PM
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SMiLE was released. It's name was changed to SMiLEY SMiLE.
The SMiLE version of Chimes is bland and undynamic to my ears.

I just really can't understand where you're coming from, sorry. Clean out your ears maybe?
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: February 11, 2006, 01:03:29 PM
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Wind Chimes is my favorite BB recording, ever.


It's one of my favorites too but NOT the smiley version.
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