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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some random questions from a relatively recent Beach Boys convert on: October 06, 2013, 07:08:58 AM

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Yes - after the session tapes were rediscovered maybe seven years ago, a stereo remix (with the original instrumental intro) was released on Summer Love Songs in 2009. The stereo mix minus the intro is on the new box.

Thank you very much for this information!

I'm under the impression that the Boys' tape library is a mess.



Not a clue, but all bar two tracks on the album are entirely live, those being "I Get Around" and... damn... "Fun, Fun, Fun" ?

Those were the two that stuck me VERY obviously being the original recordings with the tape speed upped....and those hilariously bad edits to make a live ending for them. It's nice to know that the remainder of that album is truly from a show. Thanks.

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The multitrack master was lost after the single was mixed. it was also recently rediscovered, hence it's in stereo on the new box. This is the first ever stereo mix. The sounds on the album mix at the tag are from a Smile session, hence in stereo.

Hope this helps.

It sure does. I really appreciate everybody's responses. It's mind-boggling how much you guys know about the Beach Boys. Too cool. Smiley
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some random questions from a relatively recent Beach Boys convert on: October 06, 2013, 06:58:14 AM
Most of these I don't know the answer to, but I can try to help with some I do. Fools was released in stereo on MiC, but I don't remember if it was from a different compilation or mixed in 2012/2013. The stereo mix gives it new life (as most BBs stereo remixes tend to do). By far my favourite version of the song now.

Oh I'm definitely going to have to break down and buy that MiC box! If the stereo mix gives it new life it will give me ever more goosebumps. I LOVE what was done with Pet Sounds on the sessions box set. One of my most prized possessions.

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There was a thread on Do It Again pretty recently, actually. I think it had the title of "I thought a stereo mix of Do It Again wasn't possible?" or similar. There was a story about SWD and Carl driving with the stereo mix and it falling out the window, but I can't remember the details, so I won't try to. Anyway, there is also a new stereo mix of Do It Again on the Made in California set.

I'll be ordering that Made In California set. I'll run a search for that Do It Again thread....The 'tape falling out of the window' sounds like a good Spinal Tap moment. Smiley

About Cassius Love, I may be mixing it up with some other filler but I would definitely think it was recorded specifically for that "song". If its the one where Brian and Mike impersonate eachother, it definitely sounds scripted to me.
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Yes, the dialogue sounds scripted to me, too. I was just wondering if the instrumental tracks on the snippets of music on it were from the original sessions tapes or rerecorded right there at the 'session' for Cassius vs. Sonny. The instrumental snippets sound like either outtakes from the original sessions for those songs or rerecorded at the session for Cassius vs. Sonny.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some random questions from a relatively recent Beach Boys convert on: October 06, 2013, 06:48:25 AM

AGD, you have "Cassius" mixed up with "Bull Session" here.

No. I've never heard "Bull Session". That's on an album I don't have on a 2-fer.....yet. So, A Graham Doe, you had the right track I was speaking of.
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Some random questions from a relatively recent Beach Boys convert on: October 05, 2013, 08:54:59 PM
You people seem highly knowledgeable about the Beach Boys output. I have a good amount of the original albums but not all. I was listening to all of my Beach Boys CD's at work recently and I have some technical questions about various tracks.

"Cassius Love vs. Sonny Wilson"-On the snippets of past songs were they specially recorded for Shut Down Vol. 2 or did Chuck Britz go back to the actual session tapes for those songs and pulled the most funny moments?

"Why Do Fools Fall In Love"-On the 1990 2-fer I have the disc is stereo for all tracks on this album except this one. Was this a compiling error when the CD was produced or was it mono on the original LP? Has this track ever been issued in stereo? It's one of my absolute favorite tracks cut by the Boys.

On Beach Boys Concert would "Let's Go Trippin'" been the last song on side 1? On this 2-fer there obviously was a crossfade between sides somewhere and I never had this album on vinyl or cassette to know for sure where the split in sides would've been. I just make a guess as to it being between "..Trippin'" and "Papa..." because "..Trippin'" is an instrumental that seems appropriate to close a side with and then the rambunctiousness of Papa Oom Mow Mow seems fit to open a 2nd side with.

Also, from the same album..What's up with the Duophonic used on "Johnny B Goode" while all the rest is in stereo? Did an engineer at the concert unhook some recording mics not knowing there was one more song to be played? Or was this the one truly 'live' moment on this album and, after listening to a playback, they decided to re-record practically the entire album but felt the need to leave SOMETHING live on the album?

Since I already have "Live In London" on cassette (as "Beach Boys '69") I already know where the split in sides are...but what I'm wondering is what generation of tape did they use for Live In London on this 1990 2-fer? It sounds acceptable to me and I enjoy it everytime I listen to it but I've always noticed my Beach Boys '69 cassette actually has much more clarity than the 1990 CD has.

"Do It Again" from the 1990 20/20 2-fer-On this is in fake stereo. I vastly prefer the mono mix...but since I hear sounds on the 'fake stereo' version that I don't hear on the mono single version it must not be a simple 'fold down'...They obviously still had access to the multi tracks to make such differences which makes me ask did they ever prepare a stereo mix of Do It Again?

Also on the 20/20 2-fer, I noticed right at the beginning of "Break Away" Brian (or somebody) seems to have been saying something just as the first snare drum beat happens but on the Good Vibrations box set that doesn't happen. It starts cleanly with nothing interfering with that first snare beat. Was the version on the box set remixed to correct that? It otherwise sounds like the exact same mix to me.

On "Long Promised Road" from the 2000 2-fer of Surf's Up there is a keyboard note that is right at the beginning that is obviously from something that was being played at the session before the song starts. It begins right when the sound of that note is tapering off. This is missing from the 1993 box set. Did it appear this way on the original vinyl LP of Sur'f Up or is it something that's just exclusive to the 2000 2-fer with Sunflower?

On the 2000 2-fer of Holland there is lots of aggravating tape drop-out from "Big Sur" through "California". A considerable amount of harmonica drops out on Big Sur and it (along with "All I Wanna Do" on Sunflower) is my favorite Mike song and I'm always annoyed when I hear the tape drop-outs on it although I still enjoy listening to the track. Is it that way on the earlier Caribou issue of Holland? The original vinyl LP of Holland?

On the 2000 issue of "In Concert" there seems to be some bad tape speed fluctuations on "You Still Believe In Me". These don't seem to appear on any other tracks on this disc. Was this also the way it was on previous CD issues and the original vinyl LP?

And, finally, on the 2000 2-fer of Keepin' the Summer Alive/1985 self titled album did they mistankly omit "Male Ego" from the track order or was it inten 'hidden track'? I know it was originally the B-side of Getcha Back.

Thanks in advance for any answers. I've always been fascinated by this kind of stuff.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Brian ruin Heroes and Villains by adding the \ on: October 05, 2013, 08:01:21 PM
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Here Here!  I can't take the mix.  All those beautiful sessions and intricate instrumentation-- and we get that horrible mix.  I've asked the question here a few times before but can never get a good answer: how did that mix result from those sessions?  Was it just a matter of recording a recording of a recording?  How could anybody not notice how muddy the finished product sounded.  Or did they?  Whenever I bring it up, nobody echoes my complaint.

Maybe Brian was never concerned about overall sound quality in general? (shrug)
After all, even with one good ear he HAD to have noticed the intrusive bass notes that are present on PS's "I'm Waiting For the Day" that sounds like he used a tape that wasn't properly erased.
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