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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love and Mercy and myth? on: June 18, 2015, 03:31:53 PM
Murry not liking God Only Knows is ridiculous as well. In 1966 it was more lifestyle than music that split him and Brian. If you get ahold of the few interviews he gave with Rolling Stone or NME the guy LOVED Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations. He hurt Brian many times, but he respected when the Beach Boys matured musically.

Just heard Oren Moverman comment on the scene in the recent NPR interview. He said that he had heard numerous stories where Brian would play songs for Murry only to be met with fierce disapproval. Seems like one of those things where, if it weren't true, they would have been weeded out by Brian or Melinda.
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love and Mercy and myth? on: June 17, 2015, 04:38:33 PM
Usually I shut down as soon as i see something that veers into the "wrong" category. But all the important notes were played with a virtuosity that left me truly touched and incredibly satisfied. I am completely blown away that this film found release in this form. Why? Because unlike so many things related to the Beach Boys, it is not shallow, it is not predictable, it is not embarrassing, it is not shoddy, it is not constipated, it is not creatively inept, and it is not dumbed down. Instead this is a raw, edgy, dark, but beautiful and hopeful portrayal of a particularly sensitive vein of their story. We are so very lucky that the right combination of people were allowed to create this film. It could have been awful. Instead it is as deeply moving as the music. Finally...a good thing has hit the mainstream, a deep thing has found an audience. Finally something tasteful and intelligent regarding the Beach Boys is out there.

Well said!
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out. on: June 15, 2015, 03:09:36 PM
Is it slanderous and misogynous for Brian to be wearing a fire helmet and then walking into a session flailing lit candles around?
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 15, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Lyle Ritz says that the bassline in WIBN was in a different key.

The movie never states that McCartney attended any session.

It was the notes of those basslines that McCartney was enamored with, not the bassplaying.

I can believe that Brian hardly mentioned the Beatles but not that he didn't see them as competition, along with other groups of the day.
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: POSNER PRODUCES NEW \ on: June 15, 2015, 02:42:27 PM
So... somebody covered "Passing By"...? Any links?
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: ICON interview w/ Brian Wilson on: June 12, 2015, 04:50:52 AM
Awesome interview, probably the best since he was on Q in 2011.
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 11, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
Just remembered a line spoken by Max Schneider's VDP: "I have been writing lyrics professionally since I was 14 years old."

This is totally false, isn't it? VDP hadn't written a song until he was 21, much less lyrics before he was enlisted for Smile. Even the words for his first single, "Come to the Sunshine" and "Farther Along", came from an uncredited Danny Hutton.
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Evan Landy makes an appearance ... on: June 11, 2015, 03:58:40 PM
Once upon a time, the Beach Boy world was told that Brian was saved from self destruction by Dr. Eugene Landy.

The film says this as well.
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 01:30:59 PM
He was the best
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brian's LSD trips written in the 1991 autobiography on: June 11, 2015, 11:48:50 AM
I'm led to believe that there is a section in the 1991 autobiography which deals with BW's LSD trips and what he had experienced, from seeing his future to dying in a fire. I always thought the "future" trip was a little hokey, but in Love & Mercy, Paul Dano references it in dialogue. Does that mean that, in an indirect way, BW has confirmed that this part of the autobiography was true?

The account can be read at https://arkhonia.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/smile-%E2%80%93-my-first-25-years-a-question-never-known-to-exist/
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How did Revolver & Sgt Pepper Affect Brian? on: June 10, 2015, 10:55:26 AM
When Hal Blaine plays a rock and roll drumbeat in the session tapes for the Grand Coulee Dam, it sounds a bit like Tomorrow Never Knows.
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 10, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
I would have changed seats.
Probably would have done less good. The theater we went to served alcohol and one person had to shush us at one point. Sorry about that. The film was just so good.  Tongue
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 09, 2015, 11:22:13 PM
There is no issue except, as I already said, it makes for a worse film. I don't think it could have been told any other way though. Banks kind of represents the audience's perspective. Maybe she was a miscast. Her moments were the only times I felt a drag; I remember the friend I went with kept nudging me to say 'I wish they'd go back to '60s Brian.' Everything else was perfect.
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 09, 2015, 10:29:59 PM
How many scenes in the film with Paul G's Landy character do not have Elizabeth Banks in the same scenes?
Like... none?
140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 09, 2015, 09:44:43 PM
Who says Brian can offer very little info from his point of view ? 

From recent interviews it seems Melinda has retained much more info about the Landy years than BW is willing to discuss. Melinda is also responsible for just about everything in the '80s portions according to Pohlad and Moverman.
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 09, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
I agree that Landy was not portrayed as menacingly as others have said he was. He just comes across as a buffoon. And the '80s scenes were clearly told from Melinda's point of view because Brian could offer very little from his -- not conducive to the film when its least interesting moments fall upon Banks. Thankfully she only has about one or two scenes devoted to her alone.
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did C50 have any effect on the film Love & Mercy, and vice versa? on: June 09, 2015, 06:51:10 PM
VDP's complaints are understandable since 1: it's never explained what he or Tony Asher did with BW, which felt off, and 2: his character was so entertaining that I wanted more scenes with him -- but Carol Kaye...?
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise on: June 09, 2015, 04:22:30 PM
There was a mix of miming (to finished tracks) and real instruments (finished and WIP tracks). The only part where they used an original WIP mix for miming was for a little bit of the WIBN intro where Billy Strange(?) is shown noodling around.
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Voices of Brian Wilson on: June 09, 2015, 12:28:09 AM
That's the only place they could have come from if the score was Beach Boys plunderphonics
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out. on: June 08, 2015, 02:40:00 PM
That interview mentions a bit I don't recall hearing about before of Brian trying to kill himself at the Chateau Marmont in the 70s. Is that new info or would I find info about that somewhere?

I took that to mean that the hotel was one of his stomping grounds.
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise on: June 08, 2015, 02:36:52 PM
That list is missing Be My Baby, played by Dano.  Smiley

I felt Animal Collective influence in "Black Hole" and "Deep End", probably the best tracks. Was a little bit disappointed in how much 'dark ambient' comprised the score.

Quote
"Baby No Morph" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of:

I Love to Say Da Da

...nice...
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise on: June 08, 2015, 12:36:04 PM
So to reiterate what's known:

The vocals for Carl's verses and the group's "gotta keep those..." are heard in the film in isolation. No artifacts. Totally clean. Did not sound like an extraction mix at all.

What happened? Were the masters found? Are the chorus vocals still lost? Probably...
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love and Mercy - News and Reviews - First clip is out. on: June 08, 2015, 12:27:09 PM
I think a third thread is in order for the Good Vibes vocals. Let's keep news here and reactions to the other thread.
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: June 08, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
My thought is that the writers were considering people who aren't die-hard fans. It's more likely that people NOT like us would have heard "Heroes And Villains" (you'd be surprised) and not "Cabinessence."

It could have just been that but I doubt it. The script was too smart for it to be that simple. I really think Moverman was just trying to paint something less predictable for people like us. The fact that so many people here were surprised by this decision -- which some have called a historical inaccuracy, but really isn't -- proves that he did his job exceptionally well.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 07, 2015, 09:10:26 PM
I do find myself remaining curious as to why the script had Mike confronting Parks about the lyrics to Heroes and Villains, when it's well known among Beach Boys' Cognoscenti

Congrats, that may perhaps be the reason. It is a well known factoid. However, a lesser-acknowledged factoid is that Mike confronted Van Dyke on more than one occasion, and at a different time, it was documented that he was not a fan of the 'sunny down snuff' line. They simply chose to combine those two small historical nuggets together to make something that was an even heavier nod to the hardcore fans who did their research, rather than hitting a note that even neophytes would have expected would have been hit.

By the way, there is not nearly enough talk about the potential discovery of a certain holy grail of 49-years-lost tape stems that inexplicably found its way into this film...
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