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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who’s Under Arrest? on: August 17, 2018, 05:47:20 AM
I like that idea - since the song is entitled Heroes and Villains, where exactly are the villains?  In the verses they are the ones firing bullets, presumably.  Then maybe those same villains are in the cantina watching Marguerita, and the sheriff comes in to arrest them.


I remember having a theory once about how the major and minor variations represented the heroes and villains themes respectively and that the key to working out the song structure somehow lay in unlocking the narrative order of the various themes. Nonsense theory, but I do still think the titular 'villains' may be represented by the ominously dark pantomime-like minor key sections.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song Ranking - Ranking Process on: August 17, 2018, 05:46:23 AM
1. God Only Knows
2. Heroes & Villains
3. Time To Get Alone
4. Little Pad
5. Country Air
6. The Night Was So Young
7. Day In The Life of a Tree
8. Don't Talk
9. Cabinessence
10. Please Let Me Wonder
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Studio Album Ranking - Ranking Process on: August 17, 2018, 05:40:16 AM
1. Smile Sessions (disc 1 'album')
2. Pet Sounds
3. Wild Honey
4. Friends
5. Surf's Up
6. Sunflower
7. Love You
8. Today
9. Holland
10. Pacific Ocean Blue
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hearing Beach Boys songs with fresh ears - still possible after all these years! on: July 02, 2018, 02:04:28 PM

I do find it frustrating that there is no really good BBs deep cuts compilation available. I wish they’d accompanied Made In California with a vinyl release.

Please excuse the self-quote. Having trawled Discogs I was frustrated that I couldn’t find a good BB deep cuts compilation on vinyl. But after posting I thought i’d Have one more try and I found exactly what I was looking for - The Beach Boys Capitol Years looks like it has some brilliantly sequenced LPs - especially the disc dedicated to the Friends / 20/20 era. As I understand it the SQ is not ideal but looks like a great set.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hearing Beach Boys songs with fresh ears - still possible after all these years! on: June 29, 2018, 01:41:42 PM

Yeah no kidding! It was perfect for a bbq though. There’s something refreshing about the complete disregard for historical context that these cash-grab compilations have.

I do find it frustrating that there is no really good BBs deep cuts compilation available. I wish they’d accompanied Made In California with a vinyl release.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Hearing Beach Boys songs with fresh ears - still possible after all these years! on: June 29, 2018, 05:38:33 AM
Bit of a weird one for a topic but bear with me:

I haven't been listening to the BBs much at all over the last few years. I felt I had burned out on them to an extent having listened (like many here) to the catalogue excessively for decades.

The other day I was away on a guys weekend away. We rent a caravan every year and do a bit of body boarding. My friend has a cheap portable turntable and we all take some records. He knows I'm a BB nut and he bought the following along which he'd found in a charity store:



His sound system is terrible and the speakers were doing really odd phasey things. I had no idea what compilation he'd put on and when Don't Talk came on I just could not place it AT ALL, other than knowing it was one of my favourite BB songs. Removed from its weighty 'Pet Sounds' context it became this shimmering, spacey, mind-blowingly beautiful piece of music. It was the only thing that actually sounded good on his sh*tty system. This moment probably only lasted 10 seconds but it was like hearing it afresh all over again and I got that amazing buzz of musical epiphany that I'm sure is familiar to many fans here. That 'holy moly!' jolt when The Beach Boys first hook you in. It's just so hard accessing that fresh 'Wow' moment when you listen to the band day in day out, getting mired in band politics, the board punch-ups etc.

But I'm here to confirm that it's still possible, jaded Smiley Smilers!!

Needless to say I'm digging out all my Beach Boys LPs again. There's a lot to be said for some of these crazy budget complications that throw all eras of the band together in one head-spinning hotch-potch. I'm tempted to buy a copy of Sunshine Dream - that one looks mental!
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP on Twitter on: November 09, 2017, 02:33:54 AM
Back on topic - It worries me how some of the protagonists in BB history can so quickly be demonised here.

It seems if you have anything negative to say about a cherished key player (Brian, Dennis, Carl etc.) then attitudes towards you shift very quickly.

VDP expresses some bitterness/frustration towards Brian & his team. Rather than focusing on what the causes behind this change of attitude might be, many here now seem to be rubbishing his creative output and name-calling. We saw something very similar in the Loren Daro thread. Daro criticised Marilyn and was subsequently hounded off the board thereby minimising opportunities to hear his anecdotes and opinions about a key period in BB history.

As a reaction to the events I think it's unhealthy to write those off that criticise Brian - In a bizarre twist VDP is now seemingly being consigned to the Villains bin along with Mike Love, Daro, Landy et al!

An unlikely scenario, granted, but let's imagine that as VDP grows older, with his apparent shift in attitude towards BW and a desire to 'set the record straight' he might be more open to discussing Smile as honestly as possible. 10 years ago this would have been the perfect forum for him to open up as an 'honoured guest' but no chance now (and certainly not if his recollections cast Brian in a bad light). So we foster an environment with an aggressive pro Brian (Carl, Dennis) bias that closes doors to information rather than opens them.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP on Twitter on: November 09, 2017, 01:55:41 AM
I never said I'd write them like headlines, although good headlines do share some qualities that would also benefit thread titles.  In essence, a good headline is one that conveys the gist of a piece in the shortest intelligible string of words. So less is definitely more... unless that less lacks context. "VDP on Twitter" tells me absolutely nothing about the conversation I'm clicking into, and as an editor, this annoys me. No offense.

I don't lose any sleep about Amy B's thread titles, and I don't particularly care if others don't find them annoying. I mentioned it, but in passing.  

I'm a writer and editor too. I guess i just have a different perspective. Out of curiosity, what would you call this thread?
Anyway, it's not a big deal. You clicked on it, so it worked.  Grin


I too would be interested to read what he comes up with that would improve the thread title. "VDP's recent controversial tweets" perhaps? But it still sheds little light on the specific nature of the tweets. However, any more detail and you're effectively putting the whole first post within the thread title.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP on Twitter on: November 08, 2017, 07:20:00 AM
Finally clicked on this, another poorly named thread (sorry, I write newspaper headlines as a side gig), and once again found myself wondering what I'm missing about VDP.

I tend to create generic thread titles when I don't want to stir the pot. I wasn't sure WHAT to think about Van Dyke's tweet.
My other recent gem, "Interview with Mike," or whatever it was, was so written because I just wanted to post it without judgment. I'm not one to title a thread "Mike: Dennis Wanted to Join the Manson Family."

Ha! Yes god help us if all thread titles were written like newspaper headlines. I agree - less is more in most cases.

The thread titles that get my goat are the speculative ones about potential archival releases that read like  press releases e.g.

Thread title - Brian Wilson Bedroom Tapes to be released imminently ...

1st post - Does anyone know if there are plans for the Bedroom Tapes to be released imminently or, failing that, ever?

 Wall Wall Wall
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP on Twitter on: November 06, 2017, 12:53:14 PM
Wasn't based on just that...I was one of two people here who were called out by him in an interview  (Mike Eder was the other ) without provocation.  He likes to run his mouth and talk crap about people,  well I can return the favor.  That's what he does.

Did he just single you out for no reason or was he responding to criticisms you’d made? What did he say?
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP on Twitter on: November 06, 2017, 03:01:10 AM
VDP's contribution to Smile is arguably some of his greatest creative work (at least, historically speaking). It must be a very personal subject for him and if he's been shafted over it (presumably, judging by the shift in his attitude towards BW post 2011) then I can understand some of the bitterness. I think suddenly calling him a 'dick' seems unnecessary, especially when we are missing an awful lot of the picture.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: July 03, 2017, 06:46:33 AM
Just checking in to say the absolute standout of the set for me are the alternate versions of All Day All Night. I'm not sure if these takes have been booted but if so I don't recall ever hearing them. They seem to be shifting the chords slightly (or maybe just changing some notes in the harmony stack) and it sounds gorgeous - I had that moment (that only happens with this band) where I just felt elated listening to such enchanting music - like hearing the Don't Talk piano demo for the first time, or discovering the Smile material. I didn't think there was anything left in the vault that could still do this to me.

I'm a big fan of Wild Honey and prefer it to Smiley Smile as an album but I have to say I probably get more from the Smiley material on this set as I've always preferred the backing tracks to the finished Smiley tracks by and large. It's great having them sequenced like this.

The stereo mix of Wild Honey is a blast though. Will have to get the LP I think.

I really hope they continue do release more sets like this one. What a treat we're in for if they keep going.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: June 07, 2017, 02:21:53 AM
Anyone know if SS is getting the same 180G reissue treatment as WH?

There's already a great pressing of the mono and stereo version of SS by Analogue Priductions. I have the stereo and it sounds excellent.

Just as a side note, I love your avatar - one of my favourite albums!

Thanks! Me too - The Brazilian Sgt Pepper!
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Will there be a Smiley Smile 180G Vinyl Reissue? on: June 07, 2017, 02:20:39 AM
https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-Smiley-Smile/release/9073465

This was released last year - 200g if memory serves. It sounds fantastic (as do others from this reissue programme). There is also a mono.

Coupled with the Smiley outtakes on the upcoming Sunshine Tomorrow CD, I think you're covered for Smiley Smile's 50th!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: June 04, 2017, 01:28:47 PM
Anyone know if SS is getting the same 180G reissue treatment as WH?

There's already a great pressing of the mono and stereo version of SS by Analogue Priductions. I have the stereo and it sounds excellent.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: June 03, 2017, 04:36:31 AM
Where are UK folks preordering their copies of WH stereo vinyl? I can't see it on Amazon and Diverse Vinyl don't have it listed.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: June 03, 2017, 04:19:46 AM
This is exactly the sort of release news that I periodically check the board for. As another poster mentioned, it feels like I'm dreaming to see all those tracks in one place. My favourite period in one package. God I'd love it if they'd done the whole set on vinyl but it's cool that stereo WH is getting the vinyl treatment as a supplement to this set. Am preordering both today. Can't believe I overlooked this thread and news the last time I checked the board!
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: May 17, 2017, 12:40:20 PM
It lived up to the hype for me. Can't understand why it was left in the can but I guess those unreleased gems are all part of the charm and mystique of the band.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Wild Honey LP Reissue in STEREO - 2017 on: April 27, 2017, 12:18:13 AM
GREAT NEWS - can't wait!!!!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's currently in the studio... on: February 02, 2017, 03:09:57 AM
A source that I trust implicitly but that I can not name, has told me what the song is.  This source has never been wrong before.  The song is a new duet for a new album.  The song in question is written and sung by Brian and Andrew G. Doe called "Shitweasels and Fuckwits."

That 'like' button is long overdue, mods  LOL
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Guilty pleasure Beach Boys songs on: February 02, 2017, 02:59:52 AM
Somewhere Near Japan and Crack At Your Love a bit embarrassing

Crack At Your Love is my archetypal guilty pleasure song. I honestly believe there is Brian Wilson greatness buried in there - just hard to get to through all the 80s synths and the inescapable anal imagery of the title.

Despite the upbeat production, the song oozes sadness. Imagine Brian hammering the middle eight out on a piano in that gruff wounded-bear Cocaine Sessions howl of his -

Lonely nights
Lonely days
Lonely nights
Lonely days
I'm reaching out for you
In my mind, in my mind ....


Greatness I tells ya!
I have never thought of this song that way before.  The production really hams the whole thing up.  Thinking about the song stripped down however, it does sound really melancholic don't you think?  Perhaps I'll cover it...  Wink

Yes, I really do think the song has a beautiful melody which the hammy production (as you say) does it's best to disguise. You can feel the melancholy in the chords which makes the song fascinating because it seems to contradict itself. I think if you're familiar with Brian's writing, you can pick up on that melancholy thing. Of course it's a co-write with Al, but the melody sounds very Brian to my ears.

I'd love to hear you do an alternative treatment if you get round to it. Make sure you post it here!
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Guilty pleasure Beach Boys songs on: February 01, 2017, 03:38:25 AM
Somewhere Near Japan and Crack At Your Love a bit embarrassing

Crack At Your Love is my archetypal guilty pleasure song. I honestly believe there is Brian Wilson greatness buried in there - just hard to get to through all the 80s synths and the inescapable anal imagery of the title.

Despite the upbeat production, the song oozes sadness. Imagine Brian hammering the middle eight out on a piano in that gruff wounded-bear Cocaine Sessions howl of his -

Lonely nights
Lonely days
Lonely nights
Lonely days
I'm reaching out for you
In my mind, in my mind ....


Greatness I tells ya!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \ on: February 01, 2017, 02:06:01 AM
If the demo was in Holland, it can't be Bruce he was never there. Likely Brian and Al.

Fair point. That "mmm" at 1.50 sure sounds like Bruce to me though.

I've listened again and I'm struggling to hear any trading or doubling of lines. Somebody else occasionally whistles but that's the only secondary input I can hear.

Put this on the damn bedroom tapes! Grin

Amen!
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: January 31, 2017, 02:00:46 PM
Thanks for the links Buddhahat! Absolutely beautiful song...No wonder Brian was tinkering with it!

You're welcome! It is a beautiful song and I would have loved to hear how Brian might've produced this, at any point in his career.

I'd love for this community to assemble a list of songs that Brian was interested in throughout the years. A playlist for both Spotify and Apple Music (and Youtube) would be great. It would probably help our understanding for his evolution of musical ideas throughout the years (especially the time between Smiley Smile and Love You).

Good idea - get on it!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \ on: January 31, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
This is undoubtedly Brian. Go and listen to the '75 In The Back Of My Mind demo, then this, then tell me whether you still think it's Al!

I don't hear any trading of lines personally. The only other person I hear on the tape is Bruce reacting to Brian demoing this.

Wow. That is SO Brian Wilson. Did we find out if it's an original?

Do you mean the first song? It's 'Little Bird - Daddy Dear' apparently composed in the 30s by Cab Calloway:

https://youtu.be/b85EPad0yPw

I wonder if Brian heard this version from the Lawrence Welk show:

https://youtu.be/-R2QKmuqkZU
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