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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Michael Nesmith dies at 78 on: December 11, 2021, 02:52:59 AM
Incredibly sad. Probably the worst death of 2021 for me (followed by Charlie Watts). My favourite Monkee - have been spinning Nesmith's songs with them as well as First National Band throughout today. Am just incredibly grateful that I took the opportunity to see Nez and Micky Dolenz live when they came to Melbourne in 2019, which was actually my last concert pre-pandemic. Now only Micky is left. Just crazy to think. Vale
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billy Hinsche 1951-2021 on: November 20, 2021, 05:26:18 PM
Damn, he seemed like he was in pretty good shape, especially in his Facebook livestreams. Shocking - vale
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian music this Friday ? on: September 17, 2021, 09:03:12 AM
Was very pleasantly surprised listening to God Only Knows. Actually, it was incredibly moving.... if the rest of the album turns out as good and this turned out to be Brian's final album, I must say it would make for an incredibly poignant swan song
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 25, 2021, 12:05:35 PM
Not sure if this has already been answered, but is there a particular reason why Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again was excluded from the second disc tracklist?
Does it really matter on what disc it is, I mean it's still on the boxset?

Just found it odd, is all - given the inclusion of other unused tracks such as 4th Of July. But space constraints on the CD as suggested by SeagullMartin would make sense
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 24, 2021, 11:58:57 PM
Not sure if this has already been answered, but is there a particular reason why Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again was excluded from the second disc tracklist?
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Rest in Peace, Don Everly on: August 24, 2021, 11:55:42 PM
A legend who went on to influence so many, including The Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel.... and of course, The Beach Boys. Songs like Bye Bye Love and Love Hurts still make for great listens. Hard to think of many other musical giants from the 50s that are still around, besides Jerry Lee Lewis and Sonny Rollins. R.I.P.
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: RIP Charlie Watts on: August 24, 2021, 11:54:05 PM
Dreadful news - had the pleasure of seeing Charlie and the Stones (with Mick Taylor, too) live in 2014. Was one hell of a concert.

Keith Richards once said that if anything happened to Charlie, the Stones are finished.... it'd certainly be hard to imagine the Stones without Charlie, that's for sure. Especially given that he never once missed a gig throughout his 58-year tenure in the band. R.I.P.
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: July 13, 2021, 08:21:41 AM
Been seeing cool youtube channel by black twins - TwinsthenewTrend. Smb. in Beatles.ru shared news about these people recently, with link to their Phil Collins "initial time hearing" reaction. Checking thru channel, see that they listened to BBs' "Surfin' U.S.A.". Fun stuff. 3D
Huge fan by now. 3D Thru twins' channel discovered many cool songs. Tim is the fave twin, he began the channel in 2019.
Seen as well few cool b&w films, including finally seen "Casablanca" - guys, if you didn't see it yet, don't. It's snoozy garbage. Single redeeming thing about it - the great Claude Rains with usual brilliancy.
Oh damn. Haven't seen Casablanca in years, though I've been planning on giving it a watch before the end of the week. First though, I'm going to give Now Voyager a watch
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Entertainment Thread / R.I.P. Sean Connery (1930-2020) on: November 02, 2020, 12:34:58 AM
Pretty legendary actor who'll of course always be remembered as the original (and IMO second to none) James Bond. 90 is pretty good innings at least....

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/31/sean-connery-james-bond-actor-dies-aged-90?fbclid=IwAR21BOrMaD0dRhsTNAnot796oSj5ZERPGvr0H5Y2jpdYgYFBmMvQmYYhbPI
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the \ on: October 22, 2020, 07:28:03 AM
Given that Jimi Hendrix passed away 50 years ago today, I figured it was a good time to re-listen to Electric Ladyland for the first time in years. Fantastic album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ3VMt6yfU

I'm criminally unfamiliar with this album. A few tracks, of course, including this extraordinary single (with an extraordinary B-side):

https://vimeo.com/313662875

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_the_Midnight_Lamp

Oh yeah, I'd never given Burning Of The Midnight Lamp much of a look-in, but these days it's certainly a favourite of mine as far as Hendrix tracks go - and a fresh alternative to the classic but overplayed hits like Hey Joe, Purple Haze and All Along The Watchtower

I don't know whether you're from the USA, UW, but in the UK the first two you mention and "The Wind Cries Mary" were not on the debut album. The most glaring omission from the US edition is the stunning "Red House", the studio version of which I can't find anywhere online. So instead, here's the preposterous B-side of "Lamp", "The Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice":

https://vimeo.com/313656728   

I believe in the US, Red House ended up being released on the Smash Hits compilation - ditto Laughing Sam's Dice, albeit on the UK edition. The former being a fantastic blues tune; the latter a curious, if fun oddity. For the record as well, I'm Australian haha
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Crosby comments on Mike Love...Go David! on: October 22, 2020, 07:22:34 AM
David Crosby may constantly put his foot in his mouth (including most recently his deeply disrespectful and dismissive comment about Eddie Van Halen immediately after the news of his passing broke), but gotta give it to him that he's right on the money here  LOL
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 22, 2020, 07:07:41 AM
Just coming from an outside perspective, and even putting aside political inclinations (like, I would regard Trump as by far the most incompetent and damaging American President since Andrew Johnson. But even if I regarded Trump in any positive light, given how deeply divisive he has been as a whole, it would have been best to steer clear entirely).... it just comes off as deeply irresponsible to agree to do any live gig - be it a political fundraiser or otherwise. Particularly in a country that has been hit harder than any other by the COVID pandemic. Definitely a wise move on Brian and Al's part to immediately distance themselves from Mike's decision to do the concert. Which surely would have to be yet another in a long series of decisions by Mike that will arguably damage the Beach Boys' credibility, particularly among younger generations.

Also I haven't come across any comments by Donald Trump Jr. to do with Brian, but if he actually went ahead and insulted him as some users have suggested.... well, that kind of says it all about the Trump family, doesn't it?
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 28, 2020, 12:40:27 AM
Forever Changes at 180? No respect for this list, really. Leonard Cohen way down there too ...

Never been a fan of Rolling Stone or the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame, or any of these kind of elitist protectors of the boring old guard ... now with an apparent Pitchfork-influenced pandering. Rolling Stone will never admit that More of the Monkees is better than any Beatles record. The fact that they list an album (Please Please Me) at number 39 in one installment, then omit it from the entire top 500 in the next shows how laughable the rankings are.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/10-classic-albums-rolling-stone-originally-panned-101316/jimi-hendrix-are-you-experienced-1967-101413/

I dunno about More of the Monkees, but Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd. and Head are both top tier - and sadly I would not be surprised if both were omitted from this ranking
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unreleased Songs Masterlist: Material to expect from further archival releases on: September 28, 2020, 12:38:05 AM
Would love to see Adult/Child finally get an official release - given that it's now been 40+ years and as far as I know was more or less completed. The original "Big Sur", "Carry Me Home" and "Hard Times" would all be very worthy releases as well
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 22, 2020, 09:14:58 AM
As far as non-Beach Boys albums go, the real loser as far as genres go is jazz.... so many fantastic, groundbreaking jazz albums, and the highest is at number 31 - Kind Of Blue by Miles Davis.

Would have liked to have seen Pink Floyd's highest ranked album actually in the top 25, or even in the top 50 (it's at 55 I think).

Disappointing showing for The Byrds, where it has only two albums on the ranking - Mr. Tambourine Man and Sweetheart Of The Rodeo; neither of which are in the top 250. The Notorious Byrd Brothers and Younger Than Yesterday would have been more than worthy contenders. I don't think any of Gene Clark's solo albums made the cut either.

Odessey And Oracle going from 100 to 243 is inexcusable. A top 10 album as far as the 60s go for my money.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone once again chooses top 500 albums, Pet Sounds is once again at #2 on: September 22, 2020, 09:09:24 AM
Wild Honey is at number 410, and Today! at 466. Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE at 399 is a pleasant surprise, though the omission of Sunflower, Surf's Up and Pacific Ocean Blue is naturally disappointing. I'm just glad though that Pet Sounds is literally the only album in the top 10 where its position remains completely unchanged from the original list (Sgt. Pepper meanwhile has gone from number one to 24)
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the \ on: September 22, 2020, 08:40:13 AM
Given that Jimi Hendrix passed away 50 years ago today, I figured it was a good time to re-listen to Electric Ladyland for the first time in years. Fantastic album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ3VMt6yfU

I'm criminally unfamiliar with this album. A few tracks, of course, including this extraordinary single (with an extraordinary B-side):

https://vimeo.com/313662875

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_the_Midnight_Lamp

Oh yeah, I'd never given Burning Of The Midnight Lamp much of a look-in, but these days it's certainly a favourite of mine as far as Hendrix tracks go - and a fresh alternative to the classic but overplayed hits like Hey Joe, Purple Haze and All Along The Watchtower
18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: September 18, 2020, 07:30:22 AM
Given that Jimi Hendrix passed away 50 years ago today, I figured it was a good time to re-listen to Electric Ladyland for the first time in years. Fantastic album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ3VMt6yfU
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: September 15, 2020, 08:54:27 PM
I was just wondering if there are any sources on the personnel for the Smiley Smile album? I've noticed on Wikipedia in particular that information on who plays on the album is woefully under-detailed - there's zero detail as to what instruments each member played, and even Bruce Johnston is omitted from the personnel list. I've also noticed that on many of the other, more detailed personnel sections of Beach Boys albums on Wikipedia, credited sources came from Craig Slowinski, while the same isn't the case for Smiley Smile.

That’s been my personal project. I’ve been using whatever I can of Craig Slowinski’s credits to update Wikipedia. I was told by other editors I was only allowed to do something with a source that covered most or all of the album. I couldn’t just list the known credits (I.e. Carl - Vocals, Bass, Guitar on “Good Vibrations” and “Gettin’ Hungry”, Percussion on “Good Vibrations”, etc) for a couple random tracks. I did try to do that using the GV and H&V credits from Wiki, but that was reverted as well. I’ve been using c-man’s ESQ sessionographies but I’ve had to buy backorders and I haven’t bought Smiley Smile’s issue yet (partially because its my least favorite BB album so far).

That's pretty ridiculous that they won't take most sources, particularly since for many other bands they specify which tracks a particular member played a certain instrument on - case in point Let It Bleed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Bleed. Perhaps a system like that could possibly be implemented? Surely for them to arbitrarily delete credits when it has been proved to be accurate for the reason you stated would be akin to treating dandruff with decapitation, as Frank Zappa would put it.

Sorry I worded that terribly. What I meant to say was let’s just say we’re in a world where only credits for GV and H&V existed for Smiley Smile (lost AFMs for the rest, no Sea of Tunes/other outtakes) I couldn’t just write Carl - vocals; guitar and percussion on GV; Brian - vocals, keyboards on GV and H&V; Dennis - vocals; organ on GV; etc.

Ah, well that makes sense of course. Though surely there's got to be some sources out there for the rest of the album which can be used without threat of reversion
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: September 15, 2020, 07:30:22 PM
Only just discovered this band called Levitation Room over the last few days - a fairly new band, and rather obscure for the most part. Was not expecting to be completely blown away by this track they released in 2018. Which, funnily enough, is called Warmth Of The Sun and is not a cover of the Beach Boys classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC_DrMK3BAk
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: September 15, 2020, 07:23:00 PM
I was just wondering if there are any sources on the personnel for the Smiley Smile album? I've noticed on Wikipedia in particular that information on who plays on the album is woefully under-detailed - there's zero detail as to what instruments each member played, and even Bruce Johnston is omitted from the personnel list. I've also noticed that on many of the other, more detailed personnel sections of Beach Boys albums on Wikipedia, credited sources came from Craig Slowinski, while the same isn't the case for Smiley Smile.

That’s been my personal project. I’ve been using whatever I can of Craig Slowinski’s credits to update Wikipedia. I was told by other editors I was only allowed to do something with a source that covered most or all of the album. I couldn’t just list the known credits (I.e. Carl - Vocals, Bass, Guitar on “Good Vibrations” and “Gettin’ Hungry”, Percussion on “Good Vibrations”, etc) for a couple random tracks. I did try to do that using the GV and H&V credits from Wiki, but that was reverted as well. I’ve been using c-man’s ESQ sessionographies but I’ve had to buy backorders and I haven’t bought Smiley Smile’s issue yet (partially because its my least favorite BB album so far).

That's pretty ridiculous that they won't take most sources, particularly since for many other bands they specify which tracks a particular member played a certain instrument on - case in point Let It Bleed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Bleed. Perhaps a system like that could possibly be implemented? Surely for them to arbitrarily delete credits when it has been proved to be accurate for the reason you stated would be akin to treating dandruff with decapitation, as Frank Zappa would put it.

Bruce is very definitely on Good Vibrations, but he's not on Vegetables, Heroes or anything else. @sloopjohnb72 and I could fill in most credits for Smiley as far as they can be answered, but from what I've heard the wiki editors pretty much won't take a source unless it's on paper or called Andrew Doe, and that's not something that exists for Smiley Smile just yet even in ESQ.

That's interesting as well, I never knew that - though I was aware that Bruce declined to go to Hawaii with the rest of the Beach Boys to record Lei'd In Hawaii. Was there any particular reason for Bruce's general lack of participation?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: September 15, 2020, 07:56:33 AM
I was just wondering if there are any sources on the personnel for the Smiley Smile album? I've noticed on Wikipedia in particular that information on who plays on the album is woefully under-detailed - there's zero detail as to what instruments each member played, and even Bruce Johnston is omitted from the personnel list. I've also noticed that on many of the other, more detailed personnel sections of Beach Boys albums on Wikipedia, credited sources came from Craig Slowinski, while the same isn't the case for Smiley Smile.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: September 15, 2020, 07:41:31 AM
I've grown to develop a fondness for Sumahama - not the Beach Boys version, but the cut done by Mike Love for his unreleased First Love album. Yeah, it's cheesy to all hell just as the Beach Boys version is - but I like not hearing Mike singing in phonetic Japanese and prefer the faster tempo of this solo version. For me at least, it definitely feels like listening to a track from a bygone era
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: September 15, 2020, 07:35:00 AM
Very recently I got around to watching Alfred Hitchcock's Rebecca - released in 1940 and Hitchcock's first American film. Since 2017 I've been going through a "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die" challenge where every edition was combined. Have been watching each film in order of release - some of the next few coming up include The Mortal Storm, Dance Girl Dance, and The Great Dictator. Should be pretty fun - looking forward to revisiting The Great Dictator in particular for the first time in over a decade
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Hey everyone, glad to be here.... again on: September 09, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
Hey everyone,

So basically to cut right through to the chase, I used to have an account here years ago. I would have originally joined up shortly after the 2012 reunion tour, of which I was fortunate enough to catch when the then-reunited Beach Boys came to Melbourne, Victoria. Unfortunately, I also joined when I was quite frankly a naive, foolish 13 year old who had a tendency to be passionate without any substance, and consistently put my foot in my mouth - all during a period which I look back on as a dark time in my personal life. As I grew up, I gradually contributed less before ultimately having my old account deleted - partially because I hardly came on anymore and partially because I was embarrassed by a great deal of the contributions I made here. Simply put, I believe I joined up too young.

One thing that has never changed, however, has been my love for The Beach Boys and their music. Though my interest in various bands and genres fluctuated over the years, I've realised that The Beach Boys are the one consistent group that I consider a favourite, and who I can turn to through good times and bad. Whether it be the moving ballads of the early period; or the Pet Sounds era material; or the more progressive work going right up to Holland; no other music has resonated with me or even at times moved me to tears like that of The Beach Boys. What's crazy as well is that I started listening to them as an act of rebellion towards my very classic rock (not that I dislike classic rock at all) oriented dad who loathed The Beach Boys.

As I'm sure all of you know, 2020 has been pretty rough and tough. Having been living in lockdown for the better part of the last half year or so, I'd long been considering making a return here. Much like before (well, the later years at least), I don't think I'll necessarily be an active, regular contributor. But I look forward to chiming in from time to time, and hearing about new releases that are announced!
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