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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: Yesterday at 08:07:04 PM
Don't worry Century Depraved, I am not a troll or trying to troll you.  I've been counting the years to 2020 to get Sunflower material but I am not despondent about it.  I have just as much of a right to post as anyone else.  HeyJude didn't have to reply to me but he did and his post was so contradicting it made me laugh and I couldn't help myself.  Post all you want about who you assume is holding it up, do your petitions as well.  I have been "worried" about releases by many of my favorite bands for decades and most of the time I could sound like many of you on this thread.  But I've gotten a little older and I don't see the point of worrying about it.  In fact, today I read something from a boutique label called Iconoclassic that was putting out remasters of The Guess Who in the last decade.  Apparently Sony Music pulled their license to release titles and the projects they had on deck including a box set are all canceled.  That means unless they can get a license from Universal ("who are reluctant to license"), that's the end of the line.  Cryptically Iconoclassic said "the days of 11.98/12.98 reissues are done. Many walls have been erected."  That is far more of a dead end than Feel Flows to me.   
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: Yesterday at 05:36:30 PM
On the other hand, a sudden decision could be made today for all we know and it will be released this fall.  I'm not going to worry about it.  It's all ready to go and I believe it will come out sooner or later.

If you're happy just sitting back and making the mind-blowing prediction that "something might happen some day, whatever", that's fine.

But this attitude would not be based on what's actually going on with this set.

What people in the know, including people who have worked on this set, are trying to say is that, *if you actually care about hearing this material*, then you absolutely SHOULD worry about it right now.

Obviously, this isn't a life-or-death situation. Nobody should have a panic attack over it or let it control their lives.

But within the scope of caring about the band and having this interest in our lives, this is something to get worked up about and worried about not happening if things don't change.
Look at what you more or less just wrote and how you come off as someone coming unglued... Grin

It's fine to sit back and wait.. BUT YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD WORRY
But it isn't a life or death situation AND nobody should have a panic attack over it or or let it control their lives...
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING TO GET WORKED UP ABOUT AND WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAPPENING!

You have literally gone mad from this.  You are the one who is worried, you are having a panic attack, it's clearly controlling your life and yet you just told me not to be worried, not have a panic attack, not let it control my life. Smiley

I love message boards for threads like this and posts like yours.  I can tell you are trying to be calm Hey Jude, but in reality you are losing it.  It's funny to watch.  I feel for you.  But I also don't care.  It will come eventually. angel
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: Yesterday at 08:39:51 AM
This is the quote that made me think it may be cancelled:

I find it amazing reading through this thread that so many people have learned nothing about this band's fatal flaw...which historically is of course themselves. And definitely not all of them. Howie laid it all out for you in big flashing letters, but some people are still stumbling around, confused, wondering if it's Covid-19, or marketing, or the label that's holding this up. Jesus, c'mon people. Look at the f'n history of this band. Read Howie's posts because he knows everything. He can't name names because he's a professional with bridges intact and trying his best to keep them that way. This box could have been released months ago. It could have a solid release date right now. It's ready. We want it. The label wants it. But that can't happen because the circular firing squad is doing their thing ...again. It's often a one or two man circular firing squad BTW. People have written chapters in book's about it. Maybe this will get worked out, it doesn't look great right now. But if you wonder why? Look at the history of the band, the answer is obvious. Finding a way to f*** up a beautiful thing. It's in the DNA of the Beach Boys.

Jon specifically says here "maybe this will get worked out, it doesn't look good right now."

I don't think this can be spelled out any more explicitly. It's not looking good, it's not on the schedule. It hasn't been definitely canceled, otherwise nobody would be bothering to let fans know they need to advocate for it.
On the other hand, a sudden decision could be made today for all we know and it will be released this fall.  I'm not going to worry about it.  It's all ready to go and I believe it will come out sooner or later.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 31, 2020, 11:56:57 AM
I'm honestly not worried.  It will come out eventually - even this year.  I'm not going to sit and speculate endlessly on the conspiracy behind it.  It could even come down to one measly track being pulled/kept.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 11, 2020, 05:58:30 PM
This was shared online recently:

The problem that may cause upcoming major label CD,DVD & Blu-ray music boxed sets to be postponed into 2021 or 2022 or cancelled isn’t manufacturing the discs. Those discs were always pressed under “Clean Room” conditions. The workers always wore masks & gloves. The more serious issues are the fabricating and printing of the packaging elements that are typical of major label boxed sets (10″ x 10″ and 12″ x 12″ boxes and slipcases, hardback & paperback books, posters and memorabilia reproductions), the closing of many mastering facilities, and the millions of unemployed consumers who won’t be able to afford the products.
It is more than boxed sets of “The Beatles-Let It Be” and the earliest John Lennon & George Harrison solo albums that are at stake, but also the following projects that are known to be in development:
The Rolling Stones-Goats Head Soup
Queen-The Miracle
Genesis-The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
The Who Sell Out
The Doors-Morrison Hotel
Marillion-Fugazi
Crosby Stills Nash & Young-Deja Vu
Bruce Springsteen-Tracks 2
Neil Young-Archives Vol.2(1972-1976)
The Beach Boys-5-disc set, tentatively titled “Feel Flows”
Cream-Wheels of Fire (+ additional concert recordings)
The Doobie Brothers-Quadio (Blu-ray audio box)
Bob Dylan-The Bootleg Series Vol.16
And, of course, future archival projects by Jimi Hendrix, The Kinks, Steve Miller Band and (astonishingly) the firsr-ever release of archival material by Joni Mitchell.
Not surprisingly, all the upcoming (late August) boxed sets from the Cherry Red group of labels feature small, simple packaging (mini album covers in a clamshell box). And large format boxes from Gonzo multimedia (America & Trevor Rabin) have been postponed. The issue is obviously printing and fabricating the packaging materials.

The Stones set is definitely coming out.  Here's another reason to take this with a big grain of salt.  The author of this info - Phil Cohen.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: ESQ - Sunflower Special Edition on: June 30, 2020, 07:15:37 AM
I know a guy about to publish a session book on The Guess Who which will be out this fall.  If there's interest in a book on those guys, you would think The Beach Boys would have just as much interest.  But I can understand the reluctance as well.

Who is publishing it?  Is he doing it himself?
He is using Friesen Press which is self-publishing.  They take care of the editing and distribution but the author has 100% control over content.  His name is Robert Lawson out of Toronto and he can be contacted anytime on Facebook.  The book will be called Wheatfield Empire: The Listener's Guide to The Guess Who with a September release date.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: ESQ - Sunflower Special Edition on: June 29, 2020, 02:29:39 PM
I know a guy about to publish a session book on The Guess Who which will be out this fall.  If there's interest in a book on those guys, you would think The Beach Boys would have just as much interest.  But I can understand the reluctance as well.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beatles First Audition Tape at Abbey Road FOUND - Emerick Family Legal Battle on: June 15, 2020, 08:57:53 AM
Lucky Beatles fans.  So, when's it our turn?  Who's got the tape for the Surf Up Part 2 instrumental track?
LOL I think it's safe to say the BB fans got far more interesting releases (bootleg and official) over the years and will continue to do so and I say that as a die-hard Beatles fan.  What do Beatles fans hope to get now?  Carnival of Light?  An alternate take of various songs?  But I know you mean they are lucky they may have found a lost session master tape and the BB still have various tapes missing including the GV vocals.  Still it's only with Pete Best and while historically interesting - I'm not excited about it.  The Anthology tracks are enough for me.  Finding that early Love Me Do from June 1962 was definitely interesting.  Hearing Pete's approach in the bridge really let you hear the difference in his playing.  I want to hear the original slower Please Please Me session.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 29, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
In case anyone won't watch Mark Linett's interview video as referenced in the relevant thread, he says that a "large project" is tentatively scheduled for "the fall."

Nice time for a release



yeah, maybe they're going to release it 'til early December
They'll be competing with the new Let It Be movie and box set plus there is always a slim chance of an All Things Must Pass 50th release (but totally a hopeful guess by me).  Going to be an interesting fall.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 27, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
San Miguel is such a great track.  I am surprised it never made it onto Sunflower or Surf's Up.  My one gripe with it is that they don't repeat the catchy chorus/second verse. 
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best of 1968: White Album or Friends on: February 04, 2020, 10:15:20 AM
I'd go with The Beatles White Album over Friends without hesitation.  Friends is a great album, but The White Album is so much more.  I like everything on it.  I have even listened to Revolution 9 countless times over the years.  I'm sorry but it's not even close for me.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 21, 2019, 08:48:07 AM
Great point rab.  They might want to do some decent promotion for this set - especially since Sunflower was named one of the top 500 albums ever and is not well known among the masses.  So they may be doing a similar thing they did with Smile Sessions - magazine and TV interviews, an advance single, record store promos, etc.  It makes sense if we are not getting a 1969 digital release and with what Al and Bruce have let slip.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 19, 2019, 04:41:12 PM
As far as I'm concerned this silence and lack of a download release this year is all good news if you are like me and want all of this 1969-71 material in a physical box.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 19, 2019, 08:36:49 AM
Unless I've missed something, there has been no official announcement of any new Beach Boys product, compilation or box set.  All we have to work with is Jardine's vague statement.  But if this potential release was going to focus on the Sunflower/Surf's Up era, wouldn't it make more sense to put it out next year for the former album's 50th anniversary?  Hasn't that been basically how they've been releasing these last few compilations?  Why would we expect this to come out beforehand?
Bruce also mentioned the box.  And it would be coming out in 2020 at this point.  We are just hoping for an additional 1969 digital release (similar to something like Sunshine Tomorrow Part 2) to drop tomorrow.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 16, 2019, 10:12:24 AM
Totally agree Hey Jude.  Speculation is what the message boards are for.  In the old days we'd meet other fans and speculate in person or over the phone.  This is the same thing.  I think it's a lot of fun.  Some people get annoyed by it.  They don't have to read it.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 13, 2019, 10:01:51 AM
There wasn't a SMiLE copyright (digital only) release in 2016 or 2017 but we got a huge 5 CD box packed to the 80 minute mark on each disc a few years prior which sounds like what they are planning to do with Feel Flows.  My only gripe with that was hearing of a 6th disc worth of music being dropped from the box (could have been internet rumors).  They could have done a digital release with that extra SMiLE material plus a stereo mix of the album.  But next Friday could still be the day for some 1969 stuff.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 03, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
I miss Borders, and I’m sure at some point Barnes & Noble will join them in the graveyard as well (I'm down to two locations within reasonable driving distance, where it used to be like 5 or 6). But Borders had *awful* prices. Barnes & Noble is overpriced, and Borders as I recall was even worse.

Most of the stores I remember, both in my youth and even more recently, seem to be have disappeared. Tower Records, Circuit City, Toys R Us (recently re-opened a couple locations, but it’s more a PR thing than back to being a real chain), Kay Bee, Borders, Suncoast, “The Wherehouse” (probably more regional), Blockbuster Video, Hollywood Video, the list goes on and on.

And the funny thing is, the big box stores (Target, Walmart, etc.) aren’t really filling those niches. I recall a year or two ago when Toys R Us went under, all the articles said Target and Walmart would move in on that market/territory and stock more toys. Newp. They suck.

And, more unsurprisingly, stores are continuing to carry less and less music and movies. I’m guessing music will be completely gone from Target, Walmart, and Barnes & Noble (a little rack of overpriced “collectible” vinyl doesn’t count) in the next few years (I think “Best Buy” has already eliminated it). I’d expect physical video media to follow suit in the next several years, perhaps relegated to the same sort of cheapo DVD rack you see at Rite Aids and 7-11 stores.

Sorry to keep it going off-topic but I remember all those stores you mentioned as well including Sound Warehouse (or Sound Whorehouse as my friend called it).  Bill Gates said it many years ago - that all physical media would be gone in the near future.  I'm sure he never saw the resurgence of vinyl coming, and ironically that's something I have zero interest in.  Yes, I love my album covers but that's it.  I found the prices at Borders to be reasonable.  I always shopped there over Barnes and Noble.  Of course Tower Records was my favorite.  I would regularly go to three in the Chicago area (Lincoln Park, Schaumburg and Bloomingdale for you locals).  You are correct - all physical media will be sold less and less in big box stores and sadly many big box stores and malls will be gone.  I don't really buy any physical media anymore unless it's a must-have which is rare.  I don't mind going to our local Half Price Books for books and movies or simply just going to the library.  I take out a movie or two, watch them, and I'm done.  Why would I want to own most of them?  Anyway I hope to see a physical Feel Flows box based on what we're hearing it could be.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 26, 2019, 02:43:54 PM
I didn't shed a tear when LPs were replaced by CDs in the late 80's.  While I missed my album covers, I was fed up with dealing with vinyl, not to mention I couldn't play my records in my car so it was good riddance from me.  If I want better resolution audio than CDs I'll go for high res digital audio.  My Smile Sessions vinyl sits in it's box.  I should probably just give it to my brother.  He's on a vinyl kick these days.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 24, 2019, 09:53:21 AM
I suppose the 4th Quarter Christmas season release having to come out ASAP doesn't need apply because they have a rough idea of how many units will ship to the die-hard fans.  The greatest hits crowd probably doesn't even know much about the 1969-71 period anyway.  That being said with Sunflower (making Rolling Stone's Top 500 albums of all-time) and Surf's Up considered classics by music fans in the know, you think there would be some promo for the set via interviews and reviews.  I think they should do a physical box (and maybe companion smaller set like Smile Sessions) and really hype it up.  It would be so great for the band's legacy especially if the masses who are unfamiliar discover this era.  And if that's the case here's my prediction:

- We will get a digital only release in December with 1969 live material (if any) and some 1969 studio sessions (APPETIZER)
- There will be a glorious Feel Flows box next year with a decent amount of press coverage and build-up (MAIN COURSE)
- There will be a 1970 December digital live release (DESSERT)

20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Our Prayer (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: November 18, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
Very nicely done!  I might want to play this live with a friend, so thanks for the inspiration.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you could go any Beach Boy concert in history on: October 25, 2019, 10:10:20 AM
Come on guys - pick ONE.  Make it hard on yourselves.  Pick the ONE show you'd go back in time if asked right now.  You only get one. 

Whiskey November 4, 1970 with all six of them would be my choice.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Quentin Tarantino Prepping New Movie Tackling Manson Murders on: September 03, 2019, 09:22:19 AM
I think her reluctance to let anyone in the house was more for tension (for the audience watching) more than anything.  In the end it turned out to be true.  The guy was sleeping and she didn't want him to fall asleep later when they were watching TV together.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Timin' w. Dennis lead vocal- what show is this from? on: March 27, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
Much better quality here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up163cMB9rs
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The 'Caribou' Album (1973-1975) Compilation Mix on: March 27, 2019, 10:58:07 AM
Thank you for sharing.  That being said, this doesn't work for me.  A lot of these songs are sub-par to begin with and with most in uncompleted form it doesn't feel like an album at all.  We'll see what we get to work with in 2024.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare 1968 footage on: February 06, 2019, 09:12:49 AM
Kind of sad to see Buffalo Springfield only a few weeks before their last show.  Note Jimmy Messina holding Winnie The Pooh.  He had replaced Bruce Palmer on bass (who had been deported).  Neil just wanted out.  Such a turbulent short lifespan for a great band. 
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