Mine was through watching American graffiti and picking up sunflower and today in a bargain bin at the CD store.

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=663391&GT1=28102

You're right, Ed - he hasn't missed too many meals.   Maybe hangin' out at the deli too much.....

Steak, cake, and Ice Cream will do that to a man...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiSEkJKcWVQ&feature=related
 Mother May (1963 Outtake) Interesting early song from The Beach Boys.

Hahahahahaha, what is that soaring dolphin noise? At the end of this track into the fade out? Is that Carl or a guitar or a synth? Hahaha I c an['t even tell. But it sounds like Carl turned into a whale emitting these high pitched frequencies transmitting language. Mike Love is some kind of devil. In a good way. Bad is good. He is like - you never know really like - is this guy serious? I mean, when I see Mike Love performign through the years, I think sometimes - was this guy putting everyone on? The robe? Come on!!!! It's so funny! Mike has a friggin' hilarious sense of humor. So does Brian. Bill is definitely onto something with Brian / Zen / Laughter and you all have to admit it. Brian laughs like a mountain beast erupting at nightfall at the crack of a good zen joke. He's god the buddha-belly laugh. No one here is interested in anything like Zen or authors like Tim Leary or Arthur Koestler or whoever is trying to expand their own minds and others into newer & higher realms of evolutionary consciousness. So when Brian says these things which, I imagine, must scatter the minds of most hearers here, who undoubtedly write it off as Brian bullsh*tting around or being overmedicated [such as the description of energies from the cosmos fuses into Brian's brain at the time of conditionally perfect inspiration [everything has to be right - the sandbox, etc] through his pineal gland and down the spine to the bottom and then up again into his arms into the fingers which play. Dare I go a step even beyond Bill Tobelman now?  I propose that Brian Wilson when he is composing is not at all in an ordinary state of mind common to the common man of today's world at all. His brain has the knowledge of the keys & the kolors. The muscles in the hands and arms are well trained - the man knows his way around a piano. Brian doesn't play with delicacy usually but his whole sense of rhythm is unique to himself. His songs are the alien messages of the cosmos. When everything is conditionally perfect the cosmos fuses energies into Brian's brain and completely 'lights up' all his higher abstractional aesthetic sensitivities in the most mystical parts of the brain-mind [you cannot argue that the brain is well equipped for psychedelic or paranormal experience, since they are experienced, whether as real as a stone or only a dream or not, they are experienced by some mind] and shuts off his ordinary egoic Caligula control of the body and lets it go on autopilot composing music. Brian's style of playing seems like he could pound a piano for hours. Just the same chord. f*ck man, it sounds good, I'll keep playing it! That, my friends, is sound wisdom. The cosmos has released certain significant messages through Brian's music. Solar System brings us wisdom!!!!

Somebody is tripping hard right now....

Seriously, very little 15 Big Ones contributions was new. "Had To Phone Ya" was already a Spring song. "Back Home" was 13 years old. "Susie Cincinnati" had already been the B-side to about 43 singles in 1971 alone. Heck, I even suspect that "It's OK" might have been recycled, as it's formulaic enough to have been an early '60s fun-in-the-sun tune. That leaves "Everyone's In Love With You," "TM Song," and "That Same Song" as the only ones I don't suspect as being old.

And the thing about "TM Song" and "That Same Song" is that they're simple and quirky enough that they might have been one of those songs Landy had Brian wrote about just random little everyday things -- more of which would make up a good deal of The Beach Boys Love You.

The band could have picked so much better older material instead of the music that ended up on the album. I wish "can't wait too long" was  finished and the album was more of a "15 big ones" of great unreleased material from the vaults.

Songs that could have been finished and  put on 15BO included 'Good Timin',  'River Song' and 'Angel Come Home'!

Put those on the album and more oldies the public wanted because of endless summer. This album could have bought more time for the band to make new material that was great.

Forget the economic crisis. Obama did not for nothing say that the USA still are an AAA country. F*ck Standard and Poor's, these are anti-cultural, underpriviliged, overpaid, tarot-card laying, tea leaf-reading, urine-watching, ball-gazing, and astrologically obsessed dimwits anyways, they do not merit nor will they have any place in the SMiLE saga at all. WE DO! THE REVOLUTION STARTS HERE AND WILL D*MN NOT BE TELEVISED!

And any self-respecting AAA country would release a $ 200 item of incomparable cultural significance. So will America. As Paul Williams wrote about the 1993 GV Box Set: eat peanut buttered sandwiches for a month if you must, this item is INDISPENSIBLE!

I am in my MOSES mood, folks. I will lead you out of Egyptian slavery, that ragged country where Kenny G. is Pharao's personal court favourite (but then, what does that diminutive sociopath Pharaoh know, har har???). I will lead you through the Red Sea, which parted after the mighty Mark Linett and Alan Boyd commanded it to do so. And together we will enter that Promised Land of Canaän, where our collected HI-FI SETS are set up. And I will see the back parts of THE LORD on Mount Horeb. and HE will give me a couple of thousand copies of that SMILE SESSIONS BOX SET!

Did ye hear me? DID YE HEAR ME?

Do we get a rest stop at Kokomo, Mike Love's secret forever 1980s beach resort.

This sounds like a good album to get your kids interested in Brian Wilson, so later on, you can make your kids Beach Boys fans to keep the legacy alive.

how did somebody get shot? I thought UK police were not allowed to carry guns as a tradition?

No, they can - It's become more prevalent since the 7/7 bombings, in my experience. and certainly around central London. It gives me the creeps.

So I'm finding out now. The majority of my close friends have either gone home anyway, or are staying in with a lot of beer and keeping an eye on the news. No-one seems to be able to get in touch with my friend who is quite into his protesting (not a vandalising arsehole, rather an idealist) and it doesn't help he's fairly bad with his phone and he's not on facebook/twitter....My friends in Deptford and Hackney have worn the worst, it would seem.

Your sister should be ok - hope your friend stays cool, Sam_BFC.

It's just spiralled out of control, and Twitter is a bloody mess of rumours and semantics. The BBC are really under-reporting it, and Sky are being horribly sensationalist about i (no surprises there). I just want to know what's happening....

I live in the United States, but if you can't find any info on the riots, you can check youtube for raw video to see whats going on.



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Hey, we were doing a "SMiLE believers" team building exercise.

how did somebody get shot? I thought UK police were not allowed to carry guns as a tradition?

Hi Dirk!  Nice to meet you, man! 

Same here, Mikie!

For what its worth, my real name is Brooks.

Hey Dirk, Klaas, Brooks and Mikie, my real name is Sam!

We already had the 'Freshen/Fresh Clean - Open Country/Agriculture debate about 100 pages ago, and my opinion has changed since. It's blatantly 'Open Country' on the demo. I am still on the fence about 'Freshen/Fresh Clean'

Nice to meet you Sam, i hope those riots haven't messed up your home.

Hi Dirk!  Nice to meet you, man! 

Same here, Mikie!

For what its worth, my real name is Brooks.

Today is nearly perfect as it is, its just "guess I'm dumb" is so awesome and if put on the album, it could have elevated Today to near Pet Sounds levels. I see Brian made the song as either a showcase of the new Beach Boys member or a "thank you for touring in my place"  solo song as it turned out.

The album where Brian tested out ideas that led to Pet Sounds. Side 2 of Today was the set of music where Brian really left all musical competitors behind and really created Pet Sounds Vol. 1 because those ballads are as deep as anything on Pet Sounds.

Wish i had Adult Child on Vinyl...

I know they used old blues songs, I just just thought they used them originally compared to the crap Oasis does.

Erm, LZ took songs that were not commercial hits that very few people outside of connoiseurs knew about at the time, re-vamped them, and made huge sums of money off them without crediting the original writer. Oasis typically references mainstream songs that most people know (see more on this in my response to hypehat below) so really I think it is harder to claim that what LZ did was in any way better. There have been fairly good arguments stating that what they did was, in fact, shameful.

 I take them over the jerks in Oasis any day, hell this is why I like the Beach Boys so much, they are original compared to Oasis.

To be honest, I just don't think originality is a good way of evaluating art. Art is typically a borrower's game - it's about a free exchange of ideas. It really only became more about "originality" because it was forced on artists after stronger copyright laws were put into place. That being said, most art still remains heavily indebted to something else. The Beach Boys is a fine example - the Four Freshmen and Phil Spector especially are all over their music. Meanwhile "Girl Don't Tell" (a great song by the way) is basically a re-make of Ticket to Ride. I think the more "original" artists you find, the less I'm likely to enjoy them.

Yeah after further review, I was thinking about how they were original with all the Lord of the Rings references in their songs along with other references, I totally forgot about the ripping off of old blues music.  I won't take back what I said about Oasis and the Beach Boys because Brian created his own sub-genre of rock with Chuck Berry+ Four Freshmen= The Beach Boys. The whole reason I like the Beach Boys so much is there is no other band like them and this is due to Brian Wilson's creativity and vision for a unique group.

I know they used old blues songs, I just just thought they used them originally compared to the crap Oasis does.  I take them over the jerks in Oasis any day, hell this is why I like the Beach Boys so much, they are original compared to Oasis.

I can't stand how they rip off great bands from the 1960s and act like jerkoffs to everybody like they are the greatest band ever. They are not like Led Zeppelin in 1970s, which were original and deserved to be gods among men.

Anyone wanna bet with me that an album named Pleasure Island will never be released? Its certainly not an official title for any forthcoming project from what I understand...

I think the title is great! But all the matters to me is that Brian realizes it as he appears to have it somewhat planned or at least vaguely conceived. I really think it could be Brian's last masterpiece. Let's free him from this role of summarizing his own career (Midnight's Another Day, Oxygen To The Brain, etc) and let him write some Mona's if that would please him! I'm sure it would please Mike to be involved!

Just imagine it, Pleasure Island: a 35 minute blast of Wilson/Love newly written classics, the grooviest album of the past twenty years!

Amen! The album had better be in mono!

It better have the moog, because Brian loves it and has been wanting to use it again.

You guys should read up on what it was like working with Captain Beefheart.

I did, it was a miracle they didn't kill him after the crap he put them through in making trout mask replica.

I think ghost has set the record for the most posts in the shortest time ever.

The anti-Oasis vibe here is staggering and confounding. Shows the kind of work that the media can do. It's like "Disco Sucks!" all over again!

This is so funny it's almost unbelievable. The media LOVE Oasis. If they didn't, i might stop hearing about their friggin' awful solo records every couple of days. If there's a single Oasis song that has the class, attention to detail or basic respect for humanity of a CHIC Organisation production, that sh*t has not even been bootlegged. I have WASTED FORMATIVE YEARS in the belief Oasis were worthwhile.

Well, your not wasting your years now, believing about the greatest band ever, THE BEACH BOYS!!!.

My choice is going to confuse some people, especially those who don't have the context of being around in the '60's, but to me the closest thing out there to Mike Love is undoubtedly Paul Revere. He's slightly older than Mike, 70+, he's led his band as an emcee, jokester, and really the manager/leader driving force for over five decades. He goes out there night after night, tour after tour, plays the same hits, tells the same jokes, he has no one in the group that is an original Raider, just him and a bunch of faceless guys who were not on the hits. He churns it out, the fans have no idea who is who and they love it, and they sing along anyway. But there are less fans every year as the fan base ages. Paul's "Raiders" have not put out a new record or had a record contract in many, many years. No one cares. They play the old hits, they draw an audience, year after year after year. He's making a living, and making people happy, playing great songs that he only had minimal input on creatively. The guy that was the creative force (Mark Lindsay) hasn't been in the band in many years and tours as a solo act. But people come out to see Paul and the Raiders not because who is in the band, but because they recognize the name and the songs. Sound familiar?

Check it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jSSb2HlPps

Wow, looking at a situation of similar band to Mike and Bruce's that I'm not of fan of really has just made realise how bleak the situation of the "Beach Boys" really is. (except Mike and Bruce finally care about the live show these days)

Could somebody PM me the reason they got fired as well? If not, i will understand with me being a relative newbie (since April) on these boards.

Well....AGD didn't explicitly say they got fired; he just said "No they didn't" to my post that "they simply quit" -- which to me implies that there's still the possibility that they QUIT, but it wasn't a "simple" quit.

I got the whole story from AGD, so its all good.