These Monterey sets are a blast, but several of you have forgotten that the best has to be saved for the encore -  Fun Fun Fun, Help Me Rhonda and Barbara Ann.

That would be an epic encore, with the hippies grooving to those songs one last time in happiness before the counterculture went into the hell of 1968.

I've heard at least two mixes of Brian's '76 attempt at Sherry, one with the backing track in stereo the other with it in mono...both in so-so quality.  I think the original tape may be damaged or worn.

I've heard two versions too. Was just listening to one of them - a relatively clean version from Dumb Angel Rarities Volume 3.

Mine were old worn down versions from the Preiss tape and california feeling boots.

She made THE BRIAN WILSON change his lyrics.

lawl, sarcasm?

In my opinion, Matt Jardine can sing circles around Jeff.  I'd much ratehr have Matt present than Jeff.  Matt can do an awesome take on Warmth Of The Sun.

Agreed = )

Nah, just trying to emphasize that a used car saleswomen got the greatest pop composer of the 20th century to change his lyrics.

Supposedly, the title was changed for the version (She Says That She Needs Me) on Imagination. Melinda found out that Brian use to have a girfriend named Sheri and didn't like it.

What the heck is wrong with Melinda, Brian wrote that song in 1965 for crying out loud.

Exactly. Jealousy over someone who your spouse dated essentially when he was a kid is a bit much. Jealousy to the extent of making him alter one of his songs from 1965 over it is beyond a bit much.

She made THE BRIAN WILSON change his lyrics.

Supposedly, the title was changed for the version (She Says That She Needs Me) on Imagination. Melinda found out that Brian use to have a girfriend named Sheri and didn't like it.

What the heck is wrong with Melinda, Brian wrote that song in 1965 for crying out loud.

Just take off "i'm bugged at my old man" off "Summer Days" and put "Sherry she needs me" on it and you have an album that would rival "Today!". Jeff loves that period of BW's music anyway, so i think there is a chance it could happen.

 This is probably acurate, but I really wish it was BRIAN WILSON & THE BEACH BOYS deciding what to play instead of the almighty Jeff Fosket.

I just ment that Jeff agreeing to do the high part in the song and helping rehearse the BW band , but your right, it should Brian and rest of the BBs recording it.
Al's son Matt would sound good as well doing the high part

The more classic era Beach Boys albums, the better. A stopgap album would amazing considering how much great stuff BW never released or finished in his prime.  Samples from a stop-gap album could include songs such as "all dressed up for school", "guess i'm dumb", "thank him", "sherry she needs me", "I do", " their hearts were full of spring," and a few covers.

Easier'n fallin' offa bike, amirite? Wouldn't have been difficult to pull off or even find a decent single from. Even if it was just a proper "rarities" record, it would've been great. "The Little Girl I Once Knew" would've been an obvious inclusion, as well.

"The Little Girl I Once Knew", keep forgeting that was only a single.

In your language: wat

Those songs are not of the same BW mental era as Smile. If it was to put off Pet Sounds sure throw Sandy on a record. But Smile is a whole different beast thematically. It's not even in the same ballpark, Brian went abstract and he didn't come back until Wild Honey and even then it was in trail blazing psychedelic soul acid rock & roll.

wat

I was saying another record to get Capitol off his back, ala Party! to work on Pet Sounds longer, but this time with some stuff that didn't make it onto other albums such as "Sandy"/"Guess I'm Dumb". Of course it's nowhere near Smile in terms of quality of themes, of course he was in a different place at the time, but I doubt it would've been that difficult to put something together. It's not like he was no longer capable of "Sandy"-esque songs. Was the Party album on par with Pet Sounds?

The more classic era Beach Boys albums, the better. A stopgap album would amazing considering how much great stuff BW never released or finished in his prime.  Samples from a stop-gap album could include songs such as "all dressed up for school", "guess i'm dumb", "thank him", "sherry she needs me", "I do", " their hearts were full of spring," and a few covers.

Maybe my honesty will prompt others to reveal their true identity (come on AGD, that's not your real name, is it?)

No, of course it isn't.

In fact, I am God.

Earcandy did it again with having brilliant pictures of AGD!

In the two or so odd years I've had it I've listened to it three times and the last time was with generous amounts of skipping. I do play Summer of Love on my mp3 when I'm in the mood for a giggle!!

Yeah I've played the Baywatch video to mess with a few people. Sick sense of humor I have.

Actually almost bought this at a used CD store a few months ago. I didn't because i thought could buy it another time because it was SIP. Then I came back to the store a week later and somebody bought it.

I think the alternate ones are worse in my opinion, the released version is as great as those lyrics are going to get. I just think the backing track is odd and hard to write lyrics to.

And you've heard the SOT APUSA session where Hal Blaine says his schtick about Stella the Snake Dancer? The whole thing without the fade?

Nah, I only heard the alternate version from a random unbooted tracks bootleg. Knowing Hal Blaine, it is probably hilariously dirty.

Why wasn't "sherry she needs me"  finished back in 1965?

During a vocal session, Mike cornered Russ Titelman and demanded to know the meaning of the line "Sherry she needs me and I think I need her too". Russ said it didn't mean anything and stormed off. Brian felt there was a lack of support coming from the project. also, it had always been Brian's dream to have an adult-contemporary sounding clarinet in the song, and the band was concerned that they'd never be able to pull it off live.

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Agreed, time for the "sherry she needs me" sessions, with special liner notes with Joe Thomas on how he got Brian to finish it for imagination.

I think the alternate ones are worse in my opinion, the released version is as great as those lyrics are going to get. I just think the backing track is odd and hard to write lyrics to.

In the early 80's, Capitol shared your opinion. As part of their reissue series of Beach Boys albums, Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) was retitled California Girls and had two tracks removed: "Amusement Parks, USA" and "I'm Bugged at My OL' Man".  Nothing replaced them - they just left them off!

I'm glad they were eventually reinstated for the 1990 Two-fers - true to the original album release. I could never see why "Amusement" was dropped; it's got a good backing track, good vocals and it's a fun "Summery" kind of song, appropriate for the album title but maybe just a tad sophomoric.

But yeah, bottom line, "Sherry/Sandy" should have been on the 'Summer Days' album.  I read somewhere that "Sherry" may have been intended for Glenn Campbell or someone else. Dunno if it's true.

My problem with "USA" were the shaky lyrics from Mike Love. Could see Glen or Brian doing the lead for "sherry" as well. I'm true to the original albums as well, but it would have been cool if the reissue albums had bonus tracks to replace the songs taken off.

Just take off "i'm bugged at my old man" off "Summer Days" and put "Sherry she needs me" on it and you have an album that would rival "Today!". Jeff loves that period of BW's music anyway, so i think there is a chance it could happen.

Uh, what about Amusement Parks USA?  You'd have to replace that with something too.  And you'd have to completely rewrite the Salt Lake City lyrics.

I like "salt lake city" as it is, but I agree that "Amusement Parks USA" would have to go. I would totally re-sequence this album as well.

SMiLE Brian, a little input to your fine thread here (in case you care about this kinda stuff).

Notes from Mr. Boyd and partial interview with co-writer Russ Titleman:


From the logs on the original 1/2" tape boxes:

SHERRY SHE NEEDS ME.... backing track recorded March 29, 1965.

SANDY SHE NEEDS ME...... backing track, recorded May 4, 1965.

Sandy (rehearsals) 2:48
Sandy (track only) 3:07
Sandy (rehearsals) 2:40
Sandy (instrumental insert) 2:51
Sandy (chorus rehearsal) 0:48
Sandy (instrumental insert) 2:46
Sandy (1st vocal overdub) 2:46
Sandy (2nd vocal overdub) 2:48


After this session, the three track instrumental was bounced down to mono on another 1/2" reel, and the backing vocals were added the following day.

Chuck Britz engineered both sessions at Western Studio 3

The SHERRY backing track from March 1965 is the one that was later transferred to a 2" 16 track reel. The '76 Sherry track was dubbed over the '65 Sherry/Sandy track and more instruments were added. Although there's not a date on that one, I'm guessing Brian laid down the vocal in the fall of 1976 during sessions for what eventually became THE BEACH BOYS LOVE YOU. A rough mix was prepared at that time, and it's on a 1/4" reel with rough mixes of LAZY LIZZIE and MARILYN ROVELL.

In 1978, someone at Brother Studio tried their hand at another rough mix, and I think this is the one that's been circulating on bootlegs for the last 25 years or so (it's on the same reel as the first latter day rough mixes of SMILE era material, including FIRE, CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG, YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE, DO YOU LIKE WORMS and what we all used to call BARNYARD....in other words, that first batch of SMILE boots that began making the rounds many years ago)


Both "Sherry She Needs Me" and "Guess I'm Dumb" were written by Brian Wilson & Russ Titleman.

Brian was the producer for the March '65 Sherry sesssion (recorded during the Summer Days sessions) with 14 musicians present, including Billy Strange, Jerry Cole, Carol Kaye and Howard Roberts on guitars, Al DeLory and Leon Russell on pianos, Jimmy Bond on string bass, Steve Douglas, Jay Migliori, Billy Green, and Jack Nimitz on saxes, Ray Caton on trumpet, Steven Dweck on vibes, and Earl Palmer on drums & timbales.

Russ Titelman:

"I co-wrote a couple of songs with Brian Wilson, 'Sheri, She Needs Me' and 'Guess I'm Dumb'. Meeting Brian was part of being at Screen Gems, because Brian used to visit Lou Adler all the time in the L.A. office. I'd be around, too, and so I saw Brian a lot. I also used to go over to Brian's office, a big office in a bank building on the southeast corner of Sunset and Vine where he'd go to write songs. I'd also go over to Brian's Hollywood apartment, which was spartan to say the least, but he had a piano in there. He loved Jonathan Winters and he used to sit around and recite all the Winters bits and laugh his head off; he could do a real good imitation of Maudie Fricker. It was fun. 'Sheri, She Needs Me' was written on the piano at the house of his girlfriend, who became his wife, Marilyn. And 'Guess I'm Dumb' was written at Marilyn's and at his apartment.

One day when I visited Brian at the office, he was writing 'Fun, Fun, Fun', but the lyric he had at the time was 'Run, Run, Run'. He had a whole other lyric to it, and it was a good song that way, too! He was like a kid, going around barefoot in a T-shirt and jeans. I was never a fan of his early surfing records, but when he started idolizing Phil Spector and it was orchestral surf music, then I got interested in it. I loved the spontaneity of what was coming out of his head. Later, I thought 'Pet Sounds' was way ahead of anything of Phil's. As great as Phil was, his orchestrations were all the same kind of thing. But Brian's didn't have a formula!

Plus, I went to a few Beach Boys sessions with Brian, and he asked me to take a screwdriver and bang on a mike boom during 'She Knows Me Too Well'. That "tink-tink" you hear during the song, which sounds like a triangle, is me on screwdriver and mike boom. Ha Ha Ha!"

Amazing that one song could have some much awesome history behind it, thanks for the info Mikie.

Just take off "i'm bugged at my old man" off "Summer Days" and put "Sherry she needs me" on it and you have an album that would rival "Today!". Jeff loves that period of BW's music anyway, so i think there is a chance it could happen.

What do you think of the reunited Beach Boys or BW's band doing "sherry she needs me" as a suprise change up song to freshen up the setlist. I think the "she says she needs me" is one of the highlights of Imagination because young Brian did most of the work back in the day.

Pet Sounds and Today! helped get through many a hard time in my life.

I would totally want to grow up with the Beach Boys in their prime instead of watching them bicker as old men. Getting SMiLE after only being a fan for one year feels like a total slap in the face to everybody who has waited or died waiting for it. Plus, the bootleg tape trading sounds like a whole lot of fun instead of internet bootlegs.

Why wasn't "sherry she needs me"  finished back in 1965?

I agree that Brian's music heals somewhat, but if you really jumped off a bridge, you need some serious professional help.

Does this mean a new version of Loop de Loop?

 

Hope its a duet with Brian singing along in the style of sailplane song. 

Its a good idea to move it so it doesn't get totally overshadowed by the SMiLE Box.

Remember everybody, Carnie Wilson is SMiLE.