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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Issues with the 20 Golden Greats CD on: November 21, 2020, 06:52:19 PM
The 20 Golden Greats CD from 1987 was NOT compiled with the original master (with duophonic and stereo mixes of all the tracks), but rather several Beach Boys CDs that had been out at the time, specifically Made In USA, Endless Summer, Spirit of America and California Girls, with songs not included on those taken from other masters. This is the reason why:

*Help Me, Rhonda is the LP version ("Help Me, Ronda"), not the single version like the original LP (it was on Made In USA for god's sake)! Similar happens to Barbara Ann, as the album version wasn't on CD yet (the same edited album version from the original LP appeared on the Australian CD issue of the 1970 "Good Vibrations" compilation (which used the original master) it was taken from around the same time)
*Surfin USA is not labelled as Stereo on the packaging (despite being the common stereo LP mix), but You're So Good To Me (usual mono mix) is for some reason. The disc correctly specifies that "You're So Good..." is not in stereo, but doesn't specify that "Surfin' USA" is in stereo.
*The first second of "Darlin'" is cut off.
*Wouldn't It Be Nice is the alternate mix from Made In USA, not the original version.
*Thanks goodness they got Do It Again right, since it was the single version on Made In USA.

Are there any others? People don't seem to understand this disc is messier than they think.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks 'Great Shape' H&V acetate on: November 13, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Probably, yeah. The guy who originally heard the Durrie Parks acetates at the auction (and confirmed the new Great Shape is what he heard back then) reported that there was a partial backing track edit consisting of this Great Shape, then into an unheard version of Children Were Raised (with a harpsichord but with the 'often wise' ending), and finally into the verse backing track from the "three score and five" cue.

Pretty sure the "Children were raised/Three score and five" section could be vocal, not instrumental.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 08, 2020, 11:23:14 PM
I just uploaded a copy of a Smile bootleg onto YouTube. Funnily enough, the piano demo of Surf's Up was tagged as the "Brian Wilson Lead Vocal 2019 Mix" some people are getting. Yes, the claim did include the entire first movement (with a different melody and ending to the backing track) and the falsetto outro from it, so this might suggest it's NOT a re-remix of the Smile Sessions version, but rather something closer to a '67 Surf's Up.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vega-Tables single thoughts on: October 21, 2020, 01:48:45 PM
Update: Having listened to the 1988 Mark Linnet edit of Vega-Tables a few times ago, I noticed there's something clearly missing in-between the second and third chorus. While they both end as session takes in the Secret Smile version, there's a bad spilt between the second chorus and the left-mostly-unaltered-from-the-multitrack third chorus. I think it would've been like this, since it's the only way I see it work (sorry BWPS stans, I heard a fanmix that did similar but used the slow Ballad Insert):

Verse 1/Verse 2/Chorus/Verse 3 (wordless intro)/Chorus/Verse 4 (Uptempo Ballad Insert)/Fade Chorus
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Smile Sessions Companion - Disk 1 (Stereo) *fixed tracks and mp3* on: October 21, 2020, 01:30:16 PM
Shame this is down.... Hopefully someone can make a better "Sessions-style" stereo mix since I don't know if Surf's Up is distorted here.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 3:34 Caroline No on: October 06, 2020, 12:27:09 AM
Does anyone know why some versions of the stereo mix of Caroline, No are slightly longer than they should be? It sounds like there's extra acapella-like vocals at the end after the "Conclusion", much like the ending of the reissued Endless Harmony OST (after the title track). Does anyone know what it actually is?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / I think I just realised something about the '78 version of Do You Like Worms... on: September 28, 2020, 07:49:47 PM
I'm talking about the one on the so-called Preiss SMiLE Tape, AKA "The Fire Tapes", not the mysterious L.A. version [which would've been the same].

After listening to the December 1966 "comp reel" version, which was an authentic Brian Wilson test edit, I can come to an conclusion. On the second Brother SMiLE boot, the version of DYLY has been replaced by the "comp reel"-sourced one (never seen an improved-quality version on boots yet, the bulk of the Fire Tape is on Secret Smile) but the piano fade-out ("Bicycle Rider Theme") wasn't on the comp reel so it stays the same. Something's going on....

It's possible that version of Do You Like Worms was made for the 1972 SMiLE reconstruction, hence the additional backing vocals from 0:52-1:08 despite being the same structure as the 1966 comp reel version (Verse/"Roll Plymouth Rock"/Bicycle Rider Ins./Verse/"Roll Plymouth Rock"/Bicycle Rider Ins./"Hawaiian Chanting"/Bicycle Rider Ending, cold outro). The versions I've heard of the '78 one sound better than the comp reel one.

Also, the "second" track on The Fire Tapes could've actually end the alternative fade-out ending [as we know it now], which was incorporated into the older Mark Linnet mixes of Worms. The 2011 one sounds about right, despite the Bicycle Rider second chorus. The Old Master Painter/False Barnyard are both track 5, as the "full backing track" from the SOT Source Tape follows the same pattern (no echo on the H&V Cantina Fade vocals).
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Idea: Smile '83 Remastered on: September 26, 2020, 01:53:25 PM
Here's all the "impossible to locate" stuff, including the odd mix of GV, Can't Wait Too Long, George Fell... [all from the Early Years CD], and the three sessions tracks from Bits and Pieces.

1 Week only. Grab if you must
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Idea: Smile '83 Remastered on: September 26, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
I was wondering if someone could remake the first ever SMiLE LP bootleg using a mix of fanmixes, other bootlegs and official material, in the best-sounding versions:

Side A:
Track 1: Good Vibrations [Rarities version with some of the original lyrics flown in. Not the same as the 2011 "Alternate Edit" as only the second part of each verse is used, and there's a bad cut to the "It's when..." lyric because it happens after the first half of the verse backing has finished proper, as opposed to exact beat-timing]
Track 2: [False] Barnyard ["Heroes and Villains - Last Part - Stereo Mix #2" from Unsurpassed Masters 17 or similar versions without echo-y vocals and the "Thank you very much" ending. The one I mentioned is at the same speed as the '83 LP]
Track 3: Do You Like Worms [Secret Smile Alternate Mix #2 without fade section. Essentially the 1966 Comp Reel version with the Bicycle Rider backing vocals [not lead] in the first chorus]
Track 4: The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (Instrumental version)
Track 5: Wonderful (Smiley Smile version)
Track 6: [Also False] Bicycle Rider Theme [Ending of track 3 source. Essentially the second "chorus" but with a fade-out, likely an alternative ending when Track 3 (supposedly) has the final one]
Track 7: Can't Wait Too Long [Extended twofer version with a longer "been way too long baby" segment and some very brief studio chatter in-between sections at 0:47 and 4:28.]
Track 8: Tones [Final 1:40 or so of the 3-minute Holidays "session" track [as it was later revealed to be], the part where we hear a "finished" track. Use Bits and Pieces as it sounds less noisy, Vigotone sounds too similar to this LP]
Track 9: Cabin Essence (Regular 20/20 version)
Track 10: Our Prayer (20/20 version, or Comp Reel version if you care enough)

Side B:
Track 1: George Fell Into His French Horn [5:45 edit]
Track 2: Heroes and Villains (Single version. I refuse to say this is a lo-fi reworking, it just doesn't fit with the rest of Smiley, like Good Vibrations)
Track 3: Vega-Tables (Laughing Gravy cover. Back then, the backing track was thought to be of a SMiLE-era origin but it's nowadays more like "Not at all", but funnily enough both the Laughing Gravy and the actual SMiLE-era version(s) are piano-driven.]
Track 4: Wind Chimes (Smiley Smile version)
Track 5: Mrs. O'Leary's Cow [The two versions from the Preiss tape, with the silence near the end of the first one cut out as the compiler pressed "Pause" when that happened]
Track 6: I Love To Say Da-Da [Actually Water Chant, but it's sourced from Cool Cool Water and as a result has water noises at the start, the ones that segue it from the first segment]
Track 7: Holidays [The famed "Here Comes De Honey Man" outtfake, actually Peter Reum's tracking device of sorts. Use any CD version of Porgy and Bess by Miles Davis, obviously]
Track 8.1: Surf's Up (Backing Track) [Segment of the "Percussion Overdub" session from 4:20-5:53. Also use Bits and Pieces as it sounds less noisy, Vigotone sounds too similar to this LP]
Track 8.2: Surf's Up (Inside Pop Piano Demo Excerpt) [Start from the "Dove nested" lyric, but start with a fade-in at the very tail end of "Brother Johnnnnn" and end before the worldless segment]
Track 9: Child Is Father To The Man [actually the last-minute of so of '71 Surf's Up]
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vega-Tables single thoughts on: September 22, 2020, 03:09:35 PM
I think Alan Boyd's edit for the Smile Sessions is pretty damn close to what it eventually arrived at, maybe with the Ballad Insert and last verse the other way around.

Maybe not. Let's consider that the Cantina version of H&V doesn't use all the segments recorded around that period, and beforehand.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vega-Tables single thoughts on: September 22, 2020, 02:23:46 PM
Listening to the Secret Smile April Assembly clearer, it's the second half of the second verse where the overdubs are clearer. The "candy bar" verse is on top of it, making it illegible. As for the first half ["i'm gonna keep well"], the final verse overdub seems to just be the backing vocals, can't hear the final verse's lyrics at all. So I agree with another poster's theory.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vega-Tables single thoughts on: September 20, 2020, 01:59:27 PM
At least that's what we think it is.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cottonfields single version stereo mix intro on: September 19, 2020, 10:57:04 PM
It starts with a guitar intro, when the original single version starts more like the original 20/20 version. I think that's the reason
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surf's Up Vocal Isolation? on: September 19, 2020, 07:47:22 PM

"Vocals only" mix of the 1971 version taken from Get The Boot. I think you should just take the last part from here
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Vega-Tables single thoughts on: September 19, 2020, 04:04:16 PM
The article from late April 1967 in which Derek Taylor says that "All 12 songs for SMiLE are finished and will be released very soon" has some information on what was going to be the lead single from SMiLE. While describing "Vega-Tables" as a "light and lyrical, day to day, green grocery song on which Al Jardine sings a most vigorous lead", he describes the Wonderful Version 3 session as a improvisation session [for Paul McCartney of all other things, causing more suspicion] despite fans thinking it was for the song PROPER due to the fact that all arrangements of that song had minimal instrumentation and some excerpts being included on Unsurpassed Masters Volume 18 [which should be a Smiley Smile-themed release. Guessing the compiler thought they were trying an "happier" rendition similar to the SMiLE version but performed in a different key before going back to the darker one].

In the version known as the "April Assembly" [the T-2580-2 version is similar, but shorter], you can hear that Brian doesn't know where to place the "Do A Lot" chorus, placing a failed take of it [aka the "breakdown" chorus to fans of classic SMiLE boots] after the second verse, while overlaying the second verse with the second half of the "I know you'll feel better..." verse and the Vocal Insert, and two lengthy versions of the chorus appear after the wordless verse.

It's clear he hasn't figured out the structure yet, and when he said a version of SMiLE without H&V and Vegetables that would've followed Smiley Smile it meant he was already done with both songs after the lacklustre Smiley sessions, despite fully re-recording the first 1:30 of Vegetables [as it was now known]. And when Mark Linnet attempted his own version of Vega-Tables for the GV box set, he used the "fade" segment as an outro to his reconstruction and "Do A Lot" as a chorus despite '67 Brian most likely wanting both segments to enter the cutting room floor.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can't Wait Too Long on Sunshine Tomorrow on: September 02, 2020, 02:19:26 PM
Could someone try analyse the 1978 Preiss tape version?

Just checked it, and I think the twofer version is an edit of it, follows the same structure.

UPDATE: Asides from small studio chatter which was deleted in the twofer, the 5th section listed is longer (2:20-4:30) and has an instrumental ending. LA might've had something similar to the twofer edit, I guess.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can't Wait Too Long on Sunshine Tomorrow on: September 02, 2020, 02:15:04 PM
Could someone try analyse the 1978 Preiss tape version?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: August 16, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Here's my take on the Heroes and Villains Part 2 theory:

The "My Only Sunshine Part 2"/False Barnyard segment goes on for too long and sounds nothing like the rest of the supposed "Part 1". I assume the first 2:05 (everything until the "Whistling Bridge") was the A-side and the False Barnyard segment was the B-side judging by how abrupt it starts. Suddenly, fanmixes that place Our Prayer as the intro to the Cantina Version after make sense, as Our Prayer could've been reprised near the end.

And as for the A-side? An bizarre, fast-paced two-minute "musical comedy" with an uptempo opening, a slow-paced middle section that then increases in tempo only to end with nothing.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Request: BW Album Reissues with Bonus Discs of Demos and Alternate Takes on: August 07, 2020, 11:15:07 PM
Please reissue Sweet Insanity if this goes to plan!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is \ on: August 07, 2020, 01:15:49 AM
Here's a rip from the CD:

Confirm if this is stereo or not.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys ICON [2CD] - 6/3/14 on: August 06, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
Actually when I  saw the title of this thread I thought it was in respect of the 2013 European BB's comp on the ICON Label through universal, sadly not but as you can see from the following list there are some interesting inclusions

1) Cali Girls
2) Good Vibes
3) Fun x 3
4) God Only Knows (instrumental)
6) 409
7) A Young Man Is Gone
Cool All Summer Long
9) Sloop John B (instrumental)
10) LDC
11) Rhonda (single version)
12) IGA
13) Dance x 3
14) Be True To Your School (Album version)
15) Surfer Girl
16) Then I Kissed Her
17) Little Girl (You're My Miss America)
18) S Safari
19) B Freaking Ann
20) Don't Worry Baby

The booklet actual lists in some cases musician credits and lead vocals.

Yep another compilation , but strange to say the least.

Are the instrumental tracks from Stack-O-Tracks or The Pet Sounds Sessions?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Sound of Summer (The Mail on Sunday 2009 Promo CD) on: August 06, 2020, 02:57:01 AM
Does anyone know of this? Unsure if it was talked about back in 2009, but here's the tracklist so you can compile your own version:

1. Good Vibrations [Mono]
2. California Girls [2000 Stereo Mix]
3. When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) [Mono]
4. I Know There's An Answer [1996 Stereo Mix]
5. Dance, Dance, Dance [2001 Stereo Mix]
6. Darlin' [Mono]
7. Surfin' U.S.A. [Stereo]
8. Wild Honey [Mono]
9. Sloop John B [1996 Stereo Mix]
10. I Get Around [Mono]
11. Help Me, Rhonda (Single Version) [Mono]
12. Make It Big (From the film "Troop Beverly Hills") [Stereo]

Notice the odd-one-out?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some Spotify recreations of some BB compilations on: August 01, 2020, 06:17:24 PM
Lists deleted so far cause they weren't made for listening, but curiousness:
Greatest Hits '70 (Unsure of version of Cottonfields)
Swedish 20 Golden Greats Vol. 2 (Made for curiousity purposes)

Lists updated:
Best of The Beach Boys '66 (Dual sources for Fun Fun Fun and Little Deuce Coupe depending on which ones were on it)

Also some new lists: Fun Fun Fun (2011) Summer Crush Icon Icon (European Version) (this one needs revising if I get of copy of this release) Icon 2
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Is the SMiLE Sessions [disc 1] just an official fanmix, not a finished version? on: August 01, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
This is all judging by the fact it follows a modified Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE structure, except not directly unlike most of the popular pre-Sessions/post-BWPS fanmixes back then, specifically Purple Chick's "stereo reconstruction".
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some Spotify recreations of some BB compilations on: July 25, 2020, 09:18:01 PM
Swedish 20 Golden Greats Volume 2:
20 Golden Greats (UK Cassette Config):
The Very Best Of The Beach Boys (UK):
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